Kinda hoping Duane Brown is not ready week 1 ..

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

I like the term ‘forcing function’ and I hope the Jets are forced to start Becton at LT, assuming he continues to progress this training camp.  

Frankly, I don’t want anyone to be handed a job which is what I think Brown starting would essentially equate to.  I also believe Saleh and staff are inclined to go the ‘safer’ route.  

If healthy, Becton has a huge ceiling and a floor that starts at near dominant run blocker and mediocre pass blocker w/ plenty of upside.  In 2023, a pass blocker who will need to block a quarter to half second less than with Wilson under Center.

If healthy and confident in his knee (big ifs), he makes this a better … scarier team.

Brown is clearly the safer choice but in a year we are going for it all, give me your boldest choice with the most upside.  At least to start the year.  If he falters, we have a really good contingency plan.

What do you guys think .. one of the most important sub plots of the next 4 weeks?

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

2 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I like the term ‘forcing function’ and I hope the Jets are forced to start Becton at LT, assuming he continues to progress this training camp.  

Frankly, I don’t want anyone to be handed a job which is what I think Brown starting would essentially equate to.  I also believe Saleh and staff are inclined to go the ‘safer’ route.  

If healthy, Becton has a huge ceiling and a floor that starts at near dominant run blocker and mediocre pass blocker w/ plenty of upside.  In 2023, a pass blocker who will need to block a quarter to half second less than with Wilson under Center.

If healthy, he makes this a better … scarier team.

Brown is clearly the safer choice but in a year we are going for it all, give me your boldest choice with the most upside.  At least to start the year.  If he falters, we have a really good contingency plan.

What do you guys think .. one of the most important sub plots of the next 4 weeks?

Why is that confusing @JetPotato?  Use your words and explain why Brown should start.

[Beerfish]

Oh I hope Rodgers is not ready to play so we can Force a much much much much worse QB to play in Zac Wilson!

WE are playing chess when all other teams are playing checkers!

[Barry McCockinner]

I prefer Becton on the right side next to AVT. It's a potentially dominating combo with those two next to each other and I just think our best line has Brown at LT and Becton at RT. 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

19 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Oh I hope Rodgers is not ready to play so we can Force a much much much much worse QB to play in Zac Wilson!

WE are playing chess when all other teams are playing checkers!

I’m confused.  Why the snarky response? Rodgers is clearly the better player with more upside.

Do you think Browm at 38 coming back from injury is the better choice than a motivated and improving Becton?

Maybe .. you do.  Want to hear the rationale..

[Larz]

Respectfully disagree.  I don’t see a clear path for becton to get the knee to the point that he can even compete for the starting job before the giants game and that feels too late. 
 

I’m hoping they are sandbagging a little bit with Hall and Brown. Keep the Bills guessing.  
 

Brown is old, but he’s gigantic and has played at a very high level pretty recently. 
 

I don’t believe everything Saleh says but Rodgers said he expects Brown to be ready. 

[Darnold's Forehead]

I prefer Brown because he is still a good/reliable player and I do not trust Becton's durability.  Let Brown be ready, which he should be, and let him run with it.  The less the line has to change this year, the better.

[Spoot-Face]

Yes, I, too, want the Jets to have less options.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I prefer Becton on the right side next to AVT. It's a potentially dominating combo with those two next to each other and I just think our best line has Brown at LT and Becton at RT. 

Thank you for the first legitimate response.

Why hasn’t Becton played on the right side this preseason?   Because he doesn’t trust the knee or the team doesn’t trust the knee?

[Beerfish]

Just now, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I’m confused.  Why the snarky response? Rodgers is clearly the better player with more upside.

Do you think Browm at 38 coming back from injury is the better choice than a motivated and improving Becton?

Maybe .. you do.  Want to hear he rationale..

Yes 38 year old brown coming back from an injury is better than Becton and more than that he will not yank himself from the game if he gets a tummy ache.

[derp]

I think there are positions you want to chase upside instead of playing it safe, but I do not think that left tackle is one of those positions. Offensive line in general I don't think is one of those positions. Most important thing is to have guys not make mistakes.

Also, it'd maybe be different if Becton was playing a lot and playing extremely well. He isn't playing a full complement of snaps and has made mistakes when he's played.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

Just now, Beerfish said:

Yes 38 year old brown coming back from an injury is better than Becton and more than that he will not yank himself from the game if he gets a tummy ache.

Ok, so you just think Becton is a lost cause.  That’s a fair opinion and one he will need to prove is wrong. And he hasnt done that yet so that is the safer choice.

I guess I see the jets handing it to Brown and I would like Becton to earn the first chance.  But he has to keep improving.  

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

4 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

Yes, I, too, want the Jets to have less options.

Thanks for reading my rationale.  Tea leaves right now have Brown starting if healthy.  I personally don’t think that’s fair if Becton continues to progress.  

[Beerfish]

9 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I prefer Becton on the right side next to AVT. It's a potentially dominating combo with those two next to each other and I just think our best line has Brown at LT and Becton at RT. 

This is why I wanted to see Becton playing right tackle this ex season, not LT.  His path to being a starter is RT, so play him there.

[bitonti]

i don't believe the NYJ Coaches or Front office has any intention of playing Mekhi Becton at all this season or in fact ever again 

if Duane Brown isn't ready it will be Billy Turnstile at LT, maybe AVT at RT maybe Max. They just don't have any faith or plans involving Becton 

 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

3 minutes ago, derp said:

I think there are positions you want to chase upside instead of playing it safe, but I do not think that left tackle is one of those positions. Offensive line in general I don't think is one of those positions. Most important thing is to have guys not make mistakes.

Also, it'd maybe be different if Becton was playing a lot and playing extremely well. He isn't playing a full complement of snaps and has made mistakes when he's played.

Yep, completely get that.  Brown is clearly the safer choice.  Completely agree.

Brown did grade pretty poorly in pass pro last year so do you think it was shoulder related?

[Barry McCockinner]

8 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Thank you for the first legitimate response.

Why hasn’t Becton played on the right side this preseason?   Because he doesn’t trust the knee or the team doesn’t trust the knee?

It could just be part of the process to helping him trust the knee again. If he truly believes the left side is less stress on his knee (I don't know if this is true) it's going to be easier for him to get over that hurdle working over there. The fact that he pulled himself from the HOF game tells me he is working on a real mental hurdle getting over the injury. Can't say I blame him given back to back season ending injuries to the same knee.

I think the fact that he's got a decent amount of experience on either side should make it relatively easy to swap sides. For guys who have never swapped or only spent a little time on one side it can be very difficult. He's done it and moving from left to right is easier than right to left.

[Beerfish]

3 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Ok, so you just think Becton is a lost cause.  That’s a fair opinion and one he will need to prove is wrong. And he hasnt done that yet so that is the safer choice.

I guess I see the jets handing it to Brown and I would like Becton to earn the first chance.  But he has to keep improving.  

Becton at this point is a backup player that would be a real bonus if actually comes back and plays to potential.  I don't see it.  I don't see him making it through a few games let alone a full season if he is playing.

He worked hard to get into shape this year, so credit there but his body type as I've said from day one leads to injuries.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

Just now, bitonti said:

i don't believe the NYJ Coaches or Front office has any intention of playing Mekhi Becton at all this season or in fact ever again 

 

Exactly.  That’s my point.  It’s not a real competition.  Hence, why I want it to be forced upon them.  But that’s a bold risky proposition, isn’t it?

I just dont want to see Nelson and Mitchell  

[bitonti]

Just now, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Exactly.  That’s my point.  It’s not a real competition.  Hence, why I want it to be forced upon them.  But that’s a bold risky proposition, isn’t it?

Even in that scenario I don't think they play Becton 

 

 

 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

14 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

It could just be part of the process to helping him trust the knee again. If he truly believes the left side is less stress on his knee (I don't know if this is true) it's going to be easier for him to get over that hurdle working over there. The fact that he pulled himself from the HOF game tells me he is working on a real mental hurdle getting over the injury. Can't say I blame him given back to back season ending injuries to the same knee.

I think the fact that he's got a decent amount of experience on either side should make it relatively easy to swap sides. For guys who have never swapped or only spent a little time on one side it can be very difficult. He's done it and moving from left to right is easier than right to left.

Yep, I’ve been thinking the same thing.  But that process will be tough to get him ready for Buffalo.  Definitely something to monitor over the next few weeks and see if they start playing him on the right sided a few snaps at a time.

Brown on the left and a confident Becton on the right might be the best outcome.  

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

13 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said:

I prefer Brown because he is still a good/reliable player and I do not trust Becton's durability.  Let Brown be ready, which he should be, and let him run with it.  The less the line has to change this year, the better.

Another fair opinion.  Maybe I should have my head checked starting to believe in Becton again.  Not excusing him at all for the past 2 years but believing he might be the best football choice in 2023.

Man, he really has looked very good the past 2 weeks.  

[Matt39]

Turner would start at LT if Brown isn’t ready. Either Mitchell or AVT will start at RT.

[Barry McCockinner]

6 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Yep, I’ve been thinking the same thing.  But that process will be tough to get him ready for Buffalo.  Definitely something to monitor over the next few weeks and see if they start playing him in the right sided a few snaps at a time.

Brown on the left and a confident Becton on the right might be the best outcome.  

yea I'd think you still want to have him at least take some snaps at RT if he's possibly starting there. Would love to see him play close to the full game this week with half at left and then slide him over to right for the second half.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Turner would start at LT if Brown isn’t ready. Either Mitchell or AVT will start at RT.

Would you rather have Turmer or Becton start on the left?

[derp]

19 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Yep, completely get that.  Brown is clearly the safer choice.  Completely agree.

Brown did grade pretty poorly in pass pro last year so do you think it was shoulder related?

Could be, he could be slipping too. And I think better quarterback play will help. Handling of the tackle spot has been a minor disaster.

[Matt39]

4 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Would you rather have Turmer or Becton start on the left?

I really don’t know enough about Turner. The only way I’d put Becton out there is if he can get through the next two games with at least 40-50 snaps in each. The staff I believe doesn’t trust his ability to protect Rodgers and also doesn’t think he’ll get through an entire game without taking himself out. If he plays well and gets through the next two games with enough snaps maybe they’ll have something to think about.

[BigRy56]

Saleh was celebrating Becton getting through 25 snaps. I dunno if it’s a mental barrier or what, but if it’s physical then I don’t know if that bodes well for his future in the league. It’s a long season and he should be able to handle these snaps in his sleep

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

Just now, Matt39 said:

I really don’t know enough about Turner. The only way I’d put Becton out there is if he can get through the next two games with at least 40-50 snaps in each. The staff I believe doesn’t trust his ability to protect Rodgers and also doesn’t think he’ll get through an entire game without taking himself out

He has to prove it, that was my going assumption.  If he can’t get thru a full preseason game, then the answer is easy.

Or maybe not so easy when it comes to Brown who still isn’t practicing.

So you are right, Turner is a legitimate starting option at this point in time.

[Barry McCockinner]

6 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

Saleh was celebrating Becton getting through 25 snaps. I dunno if it’s a mental barrier or what, but if it’s physical then I don’t know if that bodes well for his future in the league. It’s a long season and he should be able to handle these snaps in his sleep

I would bet that it's mostly mental. 

[batman10023]

30 minutes ago, bitonti said:

i don't believe the NYJ Coaches or Front office has any intention of playing Mekhi Becton at all this season or in fact ever again 

if Duane Brown isn't ready it will be Billy Turnstile at LT, maybe AVT at RT maybe Max. They just don't have any faith or plans involving Becton 

 

will he get traded before the season starts?

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

7 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

Saleh was celebrating Becton getting through 25 snaps. I dunno if it’s a mental barrier or what, but if it’s physical then I don’t know if that bodes well for his future in the league. It’s a long season and he should be able to handle these snaps in his sleep

It does seem like a mental barrier.

To be fair to Becton, last year the training staff and some coaches told him to trust his knee until he broke his knee cap and missed the entire year.

To be fair to the situation, Becton came into camp over 400 pounds which put too much stress on his recovery.

So the knee is in his head after missing 2 full seasons.  Not shocking but a hurdle he needs to get over.  

[FootballLove]

Becton will never play RT. He'll start the season at LT and play till he can't play (knee) then Brown will step in, with a fully healed and surgically repaired shoulder. Brown's been dealing with that shoulder for a few seasons now, so getting it actually FIXED could do wonders for him.  But I don't think Brown sees the field unless Mechi pulls another Mechi, at which point he's outta here.

We'll probably see Becton with the 1st string this weekend against the Bucs. Plus remember, Becton shut down the Bills pass rush when he faced them.

[bitonti]

23 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Turner would start at LT if Brown isn’t ready. Either Mitchell or AVT will start at RT.

now seems like a good time to remind everyone that Joe Douglas selected Zach Wilson over Pro Bowl RT Penei Sewell 

[bitonti]

3 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

will he get traded before the season starts?

if they can find a deal they will take it they also could cut or IR him 

i just get the feeling they are done with him and don't care about his upside anymore