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The Turdinals dumped a couple of players, then Kellen Mond gets cut. Their is also talk that Trey Lance is being shopped around. Expect this cavalcade of dregs to flood the market for the next 36 hours. These are players that have some value that teams are looking to flip before the Wholesale cuts start Sunday Morning.

Don't be surprised to see Carl Lawson join these ranks. The dude has been an Underachiever since he was drafted by the Bengals. By trading Lawson the Jets could free up more Cap Space if they can find a partner. Even if it's a Day 3 Pick (and I think that's all the Jets will get for him). Trading Lawson would free up 1.1 Million dollars in 2023 & 4.7 Million dollars in 2024. The 2024 number is far more important as the Jets only have 15.9 Million in available space. Remember the Jets will not have either their 1st round pick or their 2nd Pick in next year's draft.

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7 minutes ago, WestCoastMole said:

The Turdinals dumped a couple of players, then Kellen Mond gets cut. Their is also talk that Trey Lance is being shopped around. Expect this cavalcade of dregs to flood the market for the next 36 hours. These are players that have some value that teams are looking to flip before the Wholesale cuts start Sunday Morning.

Don't be surprised to see Carl Lawson join these ranks. The dude has been an Underachiever since he was drafted by the Bengals. By trading Lawson the Jets could free up more Cap Space if they can find a partner. Even if it's a Day 3 Pick (and I think that's all the Jets will get for him). Trading Lawson would free up 1.1 Million dollars in 2023 & 4.7 Million dollars in 2024. The 2024 number is far more important as the Jets only have 15.9 Million in available space. Remember the Jets will not have either their 1st round pick or their 2nd Pick in next year's draft.

Saleh love Lawson.  I highly doubt it.

 

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3 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

Trade a starting player for a late round pick in a win now year. Great idea! 

It all depends are the player you are replacing him with. Lawson had 18 Tackles and 7 Sacks in 17 starts last year. And those are pretty much the best numbers Lawson has posted since Cincinnati drafted him. Id expect Huff, McDonald and Johnson to post better numbers each in Spot Duty

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1 hour ago, WestCoastMole said:

Remember the Jets will not have either their 1st round pick or their 2nd Pick in next year's draft.

 

why won't the jets have either their 1st or 2nd?  they will give up one of them in the rodgers trade based on the % of snaps he takes, but not both.  did i miss another trade?

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33 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

why won't the jets have either their 1st or 2nd?  they will give up one of them in the rodgers trade based on the % of snaps he takes, but not both.  did i miss another trade?

That is what I was saying. The point I was making is the Jets will not be picking up any players in the draft capable of replacing or upgrading a starter. The Jets will have to sign players via Free Agency if they have any money left over. Doesn't AVT come due for a new contract next year ?

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2 hours ago, WestCoastMole said:

The Turdinals dumped a couple of players, then Kellen Mond gets cut. Their is also talk that Trey Lance is being shopped around. Expect this cavalcade of dregs to flood the market for the next 36 hours. These are players that have some value that teams are looking to flip before the Wholesale cuts start Sunday Morning.

Don't be surprised to see Carl Lawson join these ranks. The dude has been an Underachiever since he was drafted by the Bengals. By trading Lawson the Jets could free up more Cap Space if they can find a partner. Even if it's a Day 3 Pick (and I think that's all the Jets will get for him). Trading Lawson would free up 1.1 Million dollars in 2023 & 4.7 Million dollars in 2024. The 2024 number is far more important as the Jets only have 15.9 Million in available space. Remember the Jets will not have either their 1st round pick or their 2nd Pick in next year's draft.

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4 hours ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said:

Some people on this site just love to hear themselves talk... Carl Lawson took a big paycut to stay... The fact you think he is getting cut shows that you aren't paying attention... 

Move along 

Yeah very true. Also in the idea of the post I would say now is the time to looks for some o line help to possibly shake free

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7 hours ago, WestCoastMole said:

It all depends are the player you are replacing him with. Lawson had 18 Tackles and 7 Sacks in 17 starts last year. And those are pretty much the best numbers Lawson has posted since Cincinnati drafted him. Id expect Huff, McDonald and Johnson to post better numbers each in Spot Duty

 

2 hours ago, BurntDice said:

Think things out for a second. 
 

Last year Lawson came back from a major injury that usually takes two years to be back to 100%. 
 

He took a pay cut to stay this year. 
 

The coaching staff loves to rotate guys on the DL

Rodgers took a massive pay cut to have the most talent on the team as possible + Davis just retired saving 10.5 mil. 

which of these makes you believe he’s getting cut?


Yep.  The whole reason Lawson accepted the paycut/restructure was to ensure his spot on the team was safe in 2023.  

Of the remaining $9M on his deal, $8M is fully guaranteed.  Cut him now and the Jets incur a dead cap penalty with $0 in cap savings.  The earliest it would make financial sense to cut him would be as a June 1 cut in ‘24.  

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10 hours ago, WestCoastMole said:

The Turdinals dumped a couple of players, then Kellen Mond gets cut. Their is also talk that Trey Lance is being shopped around. Expect this cavalcade of dregs to flood the market for the next 36 hours. These are players that have some value that teams are looking to flip before the Wholesale cuts start Sunday Morning.

Don't be surprised to see Carl Lawson join these ranks. The dude has been an Underachiever since he was drafted by the Bengals. By trading Lawson the Jets could free up more Cap Space if they can find a partner. Even if it's a Day 3 Pick (and I think that's all the Jets will get for him). Trading Lawson would free up 1.1 Million dollars in 2023 & 4.7 Million dollars in 2024. The 2024 number is far more important as the Jets only have 15.9 Million in available space. Remember the Jets will not have either their 1st round pick or their 2nd Pick in next year's draft.

Trading Lawson frees up a roster spot and $0, not $1.1MM, and not $4.7MM in 2024. He isn't under contract in 2024. This is the last year; the rest you see is acceleration of void years, which was the Jets pushing this year's $ off to next year's cap. The only way to lower his cap hit next year is literally to extend him for close to the veteran minimum with no additional bonus - or at least carry him through June 1 after extending him a few months earlier - which would keep $4.8MM of the $6.4MM hitting in '25 instead of all of it accelerating to '24. 

Also they will have a LOT more than $15.9MM. Look at the $ currently allocated to so many players with high salaries. Some won't still be here at all or at nearly the same payout (e.g. Uzomah's $8MM salary), you've got another 6 players with 8-figure salaries. Some of them will either be re-evaluated whether they're worth keeping; otherwise any/all/most of them can be restructured to clear upwards of another $50MM if needed without cutting anybody.  Even if every one of these players are kept at their currently-due pay, expect restructures with void years added to push off the bulk of their current salary to the future (Mosley, Franklin-Myers, Tomlinson, Lazard, Reed, both QWilliams brothers, and Conklin).

Yes you still have to pay the piper eventually, but you put that off for as long as you can to keep riding the Rodgers train while it's still moving.

3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yep.  The whole reason Lawson accepted the paycut/restructure was to ensure his spot on the team was safe in 2023.  

Of the remaining $9M on his deal, $8M is fully guaranteed.  Cut him now and the Jets incur a dead cap penalty with $0 in cap savings.  The earliest it would make financial sense to cut him would be as a June 1 cut in ‘24.  

This (except for the last line, since he's not under contract in '24). Trading Lawson now (or any time this season) frees up only a roster spot and $0: the $1M saved would simply instead go to his replacement on the roster. $0 savings, as you say.

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Trading Lawson frees up a roster spot and $0, not $1.1MM, and not $4.7MM in 2024. He isn't under contract in 2024. This is the last year; the rest you see is acceleration of void years, which was the Jets pushing this year's $ off to next year's cap. The only way to lower his cap hit next year is literally to extend him for close to the veteran minimum with no additional bonus - or at least carry him through June 1 after extending him a few months earlier - which would keep $4.8MM of the $6.4MM hitting in '25 instead of all of it accelerating to '24. 

Also they will have a LOT more than $15.9MM. Look at the $ currently allocated to so many players with high salaries. Some won't still be here at all or at nearly the same payout (e.g. Uzomah's $8MM salary), you've got another 6 players with 8-figure salaries. Some of them will either be re-evaluated whether they're worth keeping; otherwise any/all/most of them can be restructured to clear upwards of another $50MM if needed without cutting anybody.  Even if every one of these players are kept at their currently-due pay, expect restructures with void years added to push off the bulk of their current salary to the future (Mosley, Franklin-Myers, Tomlinson, Lazard, Reed, both QWilliams brothers, and Conklin).

Yes you still have to pay the piper eventually, but you put that off for as long as you can to keep riding the Rodgers train while it's still moving.

This (except for the last line, since he's not under contract in '24). Trading Lawson now (or any time this season) frees up only a roster spot and $0: the $1M saved would simply instead go to his replacement on the roster. $0 savings, as you say.

Nice.  Would he be a UFA after the season?

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13 hours ago, WestCoastMole said:

The Turdinals dumped a couple of players, then Kellen Mond gets cut. Their is also talk that Trey Lance is being shopped around. Expect this cavalcade of dregs to flood the market for the next 36 hours. These are players that have some value that teams are looking to flip before the Wholesale cuts start Sunday Morning.

Don't be surprised to see Carl Lawson join these ranks. The dude has been an Underachiever since he was drafted by the Bengals. By trading Lawson the Jets could free up more Cap Space if they can find a partner. Even if it's a Day 3 Pick (and I think that's all the Jets will get for him). Trading Lawson would free up 1.1 Million dollars in 2023 & 4.7 Million dollars in 2024. The 2024 number is far more important as the Jets only have 15.9 Million in available space. Remember the Jets will not have either their 1st round pick or their 2nd Pick in next year's draft.

Who’s trading for an “underachieving” DL with his contract who’s injured with a bad back? 

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14 hours ago, WestCoastMole said:

Trading Lawson would free up 1.1 Million dollars in 2023 & 4.7 Million dollars in 2024.

No it wouldn’t. Yes, it would save $1.1M this year (that they don’t need) but the dead cap hit next year would be over $8M. No savings next year at all. 

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15 hours ago, WestCoastMole said:

It all depends are the player you are replacing him with. Lawson had 18 Tackles and 7 Sacks in 17 starts last year. And those are pretty much the best numbers Lawson has posted since Cincinnati drafted him. Id expect Huff, McDonald and Johnson to post better numbers each in Spot Duty

Lawson was coming back from a torn Achilles tendon.  Everyone knows that it takes a couple of years for a player to get back anywhere close to where he was before he was injured.

It's a terrible idea to trade Lawson. He hasn't under achieved.  He was looking like a beast his first TC here, then tore his Achilles.  He's been injured or recovering from his injury.

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2 hours ago, BaBaBaBarbarino said:

What about Hockenson? Vikings can’t afford to sign him long term. 
 

Maybe they’d take Conklin and a 3rd or 4th for him?

Why would the Jets or Vikings do that?  The Jets don't need another TE, and why would the Vikings want Conklin back?  We already don't have either our 1st or 2nd round pick next year.  Do you seriously think that JD would trade our 3rd or 4th round pick and basically leave himself with just a 2nd, 4th, 5th and 7th round picks?  He isn't Tannenbaum.  In addition we have 18 players who are starters or key depth who will be FAs next offseason and right now are only $20 million under the cap.  We need every draft pick we can get.

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2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Nice.  Would he be a UFA after the season?

Yes. The way void years work is the other years automatically void unless an extension is worked out before that (typically by the Super Bowl, or by the last day of the last season). Lawson has no base salary due. Ditto Duane Brown, Whitehead, Hardman, and Quinton Jefferson.

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3 hours ago, BaBaBaBarbarino said:

What about Hockenson? Vikings can’t afford to sign him long term. 
 

Maybe they’d take Conklin and a 3rd or 4th for him?

Hockenson isn’t worth a mega extension, which is why the Lions traded him.

He would produce big-time stats with Rodgers though.

Vikings aren’t gonna deal him, so it’s moot.

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As deep as the jets line is, QW and Lawson are the only truly outstanding above average players.  It’s a golden age of D-line. 
 

It’s annoying that he’s hurt again but trading him because you are annoyed is not smart 

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