Ground and Pound ala 2010-11 coming up - Best path to the playoffs this year

[MysticalJet2]

RB are now the strongest group in our offense we do have the RB group to do this - Hall, Cook, Carter, Abanikanda.  Our Online/TE's seem to run block much better than pass block.  Hackett, pre GB years, as an OC at Buffalo and Jax was known for the strong run offenses.  We have a defense that is on par if not better than the Ryan years.  Pound the ball, use the RB extensively in the swing/screen passing game and take the shots when teams commit to stopping the run and load the box.  Get some confidence with Zach and potentially loosen the reigns later in the year... particularly with AR as a quasi QB OC coach.  

Best shot to the playoffs and beyond this year.  Coaches need to stay disciplined enough to this game plan.

 

[PS17]

I don’t know if Zach can play at the level of 2010 Sanchez. If he can somehow (and if the line learns how to pass protect), we have a puncher’s change. 

[usanyj]

That only works so much and for so long.

It's a passing league and the rules have changed since that run.  To win you have to be able to go blow for blow with a guy like mahomes or burrow or hurts...in the ground and pound scenario, the qb has to play perfectly and not make a mistake (turnover) because if the other team capitalizes on the mistakes, you cant run the ball consistently because you have to score quick and play catch up.

You want to have a balanced attack, but this is a throwing league.

[slimjasi]

This defense is better than Rex's defenses overall, but Wilson has been worse than Sanchez. Also harder to do in 2023 than it was 10-15 years ago. 

Not impossible, but difficult 

[MysticalJet2]

2 minutes ago, usanyj said:

That only works so much and for so long.

It's a passing league and the rules have changed since that run.  To win you have to be able to go blow for blow with a guy like mahomes or burrow or hurts...in the ground and pound scenario, the qb has to play perfectly and not make a mistake (turnover) because if the other team capitalizes on the mistakes, you cant run the ball consistently because you have to score quick and play catch up.

You want to have a balanced attack, but this is a throwing league.

Not ideal for the ground and pound, but is the best option at his point .  ZW is not (and may never?) be that QB who can throw 40 times and not turn over the ball.  That is a recipe for disaster.  There isn't any real QB option out there for plug and play.   Let's see how ZW responds now that he'll get 100% snaps in practice with the first team and  with AR pushing and guiding him.

[Irish Jet]

Wilson is way worse than Sanchez when you factor in the era they’re playing in.

Imagine Zach against that Ravens defence in the 2010 opener. He’d have retired at half time.

[Beerfish]

The game has changed, you will not win with ground and pound.  And guess what?  That Jets team did not win it either and underachieved in reg season.

Run more?  Fine but you have to have QB play.  EVen teams you could associated with it such as Tennessee and derrick henry needed competant QB play.

[Warfish]

If we dump Zach as starter, and sign whichever street FA has the highest comp. % and lowest INT % possible, maybe this would work.

G&P requires an efficient, effective, high-comp%, low-INT % QB.

A Chad Pennington pre-shoulder-injury, basically.

You see any pre-injury Chad's out there?

[Biggs]

Sanchez played behind a great OL.  Great not good.  

[MysticalJet2]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

If we dump Zach, and sign whichever street FA has the highest comp. % and lowest INT % possible, maybe this would work.

G&P requires an efficient, effective, high-comp%, low-INT % QB.

A Chad Pennington pre-shoulder-injury, basically.

You see any pre-injury Chad's out there?

We won't dump Zach.  He's the only option at least for now.  Unless JD pulls a rabbit our of his ass for a trade, which I doubt for many reasons - one being that they will wait for AR decision, they go with ZW and move to G&P

[Jetsfan4life90]

This defense and offense is better as a whole, but Sanchez was better than Wilson if you can believe that. Those teams also had a MUCH better o-line group than this one currently.

[MysticalJet2]

2 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Sanchez played behind a great OL.  Great not good.  

Im seeing pretty dominant OLine for the run game... both in preseason and last night.  Get GW 1 on 1 with the safety help in the box, and just throw it to him.  

[PS17]

8 minutes ago, Warfish said:

If we dump Zach as starter, and sign whichever street FA has the highest comp. % and lowest INT % possible, maybe this would work.

G&P requires an efficient, effective, high-comp%, low-INT % QB.

A Chad Pennington pre-shoulder-injury, basically.

You see any pre-injury Chad's out there?

 

[slimjasi]

19 minutes ago, Warfish said:

If we dump Zach as starter, and sign whichever street FA has the highest comp. % and lowest INT % possible, maybe this would work.

G&P requires an efficient, effective, high-comp%, low-INT % QB.

A Chad Pennington pre-shoulder-injury, basically.

You see any pre-injury Chad's out there?

One thing to watch 

Wilson’s completion percentage was 67 last night and similar in pre-season. So we are seeing the checkdowns. 
 

not much else tho

[Flashlite80]

The o-line will be the key to the season.  They cannot pass protect.  Zach was harassed every single play.

Want to know how bad?  Allen was sacked 5 times, flushed a dozen times and the defense forced 4 turnovers.  Despite that, it was crystal clear that Buffalo harassed Zach more than we did Allen.

The line stinks.  Forget the hype.  Free runners continue.  Ask yourself, what percentage of the time did Zach have average protection to execute a play?  If you get to higher than 1/3 of the time, you are delusional.

They run block much better.  The running back room is strongest part of the offense.

Problem with ground and pound is they stack the line and run blitz.  Zach, or his replacement, have to be able to pass enough to keep them from stacking the line.  

They did a formation with Breece and Dalvin in the backfield together.  The Buffalo defense ran around like ants out of control.  That formation will be very tough for any defense to stop.  Rotate these two with Abakandi and Carter.

BTW, even though he is on a pitch count, it was clear that the stud is Breece.  He is faster, more of an inside outside threat and harder to bring down than Cook.   Cook is a battering ram.  If Breece was 100%, they would have run him 20 times and we wouldn't have needed to wait for overtime.

One last point.  Ground and pound wears down a defense and take the steam out of the pass rush. We beat Buffalo, last year, that way.  Buffalo's defense wilted again yesterday.  That is a top 5 defense and it worked.

 

[Jetsplayer21]

49 minutes ago, PS17 said:

I don’t know if Zach can play at the level of 2010 Sanchez. If he can somehow (and if the line learns how to pass protect), we have a puncher’s change. 

We also had a much better OL back then. This line is no where near good enough to run it down most teams throats, when they know it’s coming.. They are going to have to throw to make D think at least there is a 10% chance jets will throw on any play..

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

We also had a much better OL back then. This line is no where near good enough to run it down most teams throats, when they know it’s coming.. They are going to have to throw to make D think at least there is a 10% chance jets will throw on any play..

This line is nowhere near as good at plass blocking as the 2009 group, but they did put up 172 rushing yards on a good defense playing a stacked box all night. 

[Jetsplayer21]

Just now, slimjasi said:

This line is nowhere near as good at plass blocking as the 2009 group, but they did put up 172 rushing yards on a good defense playing a stacked box all night. 

Hall had nice break away, and believe few more breaks.. Even then I was a little shocked the rushing yards we were getting on bills, while they pretty much knew jets didn’t trust zach throwing much. Give Hackett a lot of credit. Hall is such a great back, and he isn’t even 100%.. 

[faba]

No secret the defense and our running game will have to be top notch for us to win every game

[slimjasi]

Just now, Jetsplayer21 said:

Hall had nice break away, and believe few more breaks.. Even then I was a little shocked the rushing yards we were getting on bills, while they pretty much knew jets didn’t trust zach throwing much. Give Hackett a lot of credit. Hall is such a great back, and he isn’t even 100%.. 

Hall is always going to have "nice break aways"

He's a big run waiting to happen. Look at all of his big runs/catches in over 8 games. 

he's the best running back prospect this franchise has had since  . . . Riggins? 

I randomly ordered the throwback version of his jersey 3 days ago and I can't wait to get it

[playtowinthegame]

1 hour ago, PS17 said:

I don’t know if Zach can play at the level of 2010 Sanchez. If he can somehow (and if the line learns how to pass protect), we have a puncher’s change. 

We just need Zach to be average and we win the division. That's how talented this team is. 

[BigRy56]

This is the way and at the end of the day it probably would have been the way even with Rodgers. The strength of the Jets offense is the RBs and run blocking. The strength of the Jets overall is the defense is top notch.

Lace them up and let's go

[JetPotato]

9 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

We just need Zach to be average and we win the division. That's how talented this team is. 

Hoping Zach is average is unreasonable though

[Jetsfan4life90]

13 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

This is the way and at the end of the day it probably would have been the way even with Rodgers. The strength of the Jets offense is the RBs and run blocking. The strength of the Jets overall is the defense is top notch.

Lace them up and let's go

I agree. But at the same time, you still need a QB that teams respect. That was Rodgers. 

[playtowinthegame]

11 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Hoping Zach is average is unreasonable though

He's got all the tools to be good enough for us to win a bunch of games this year with the team we have surrounding him. Last night he passed his first stress test. Let's see what happens vs the Cowboys.