For optimists

[Pac]

 

[Larz]

Agree.  It was better but still can’t have the stare down pick. 
 

Hack needs to be smart and move the launch point and maybe some read option. 
 

Give him a week to prepare as the starter with a game plan designed around him and hopefully he gets it together 

fwiw Keith Carter isn’t run game coordinator in name only. Saleh recently said he’s going to call the run game. He did a good job. 

[jbt]

 

 

[slimjasi]

If I were trying to be optimistic, I would focus on his completion percentage. He was at 67% on Monday night and around the same for the entire preseason. It seems like he’s learned how to complete screen passes and check the ball down much more consistently. That’s a positive. 
 

He also has very good escapability in the pocket - probably the most underrated part of his game. 
 

those are really the two positive attributes to his game right now. Hard to come up with more than that. 

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, slimjasi said:

If I were trying to be optimistic, I would focus on his completion percentage. He was at 67% on Monday night and around the same for the entire preseason. It seems like he’s learned how to complete screen passes and check the ball down much more consistently. That’s a positive. 
 

He also has very good escapability in the pocket - probably the most underrated part of his game. 
 

those are really the two positive attributes to his game right now. Hard to come up more than that. 

The other positive is that he really didn’t do anything stupid in the 2nd half.  He hopefully realizes his team is strong enough to win without him playing hero ball and watching allen implode may also have him see it from the other side, regardless of how lauded allen is.  Turnovers make you lose.  Punting is ok.

[Pac]

Just now, slimjasi said:

If I were trying to be optimistic, I would focus on his completion percentage. He was at 67% on Monday night and around the same for the entire preseason. It seems like he’s learned how to complete screen passes and check the ball down much more consistently. That’s a positive. 
 

He also has very good escapability in the pocket - probably the most underrated part of his game. 
 

those are really the two positive attributes to his game right now. Hard to come up more than that. 

Personally I'm just mentally allowing for the possibility he's improved but prepared to be let down. 

I don't see the point in just whining for whinings sake at 1-0.  He's going to start a couple games and they'll reassess.  Might as well hope for the best and point out some improvements. 

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

Agree it wasn’t an overly bad performance.  But I’d like to see the team throw it downfield more on first or second downs, especially when you have your WR1 (Garrett) in single coverage.  We aren’t going anywhere by continuing to run the ball or throw screens on first and second downs.

[Lith]

I am trying to stay positive, but I have no idea what to expect out of Zach these next few weeks.  He made some nice throws on Monday night, especially in the second half, but he never really challenged the defense deep.  Some of that may have been game situation.  Little to no practice time with the 1s.  Defense was keeping it close.  We were running the ball well.  We stayed conservative on O and were able to make just enough plays to win.

He did what you want a back up to do (aside from the pick).  Didn't make big mistakes, let guys make plays, made a few throws.  And we were able to pull out an unlikely win.

He will probably need to do more in Dallas.  I am not sure he can, but what can I do other than root for the best.  He just needs to manage games.  Good defense, strong running games and special teams, and make enough plays in the passing game to keep the D honest. 

[T0mShane]

38 minutes ago, Pac said:

 

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[Larz]

Very curious if the QB school guy covers Zach. He killed the Bears offense from play design to blocking to Fields decisions. 
 

the inconsistency is what hurts. Good Zach can win a playoff game. Bad Zach loses it.  Need more of this 

 

 

[Pac]

Just now, T0mShane said:

For Friends of Douglas looking to protect Joe Douglas

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

What I hated more then the INT was the scramble then threw it back into coverage once. Hellllls no. If he does more of that, it’s a wrap. 

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, Larz said:

Very curious if the QB school guy covers Zach. He killed the Bears offense from play design to blocking to Fields decisions. 
 

the inconsistency is what hurts. Good Zach can win a playoff game. Bad Zach loses it.  Need more of this 

 

 

As you said - it's the inconsistency that kills you. We can make the bolded statement about most, if not all, of the QBs in the league. 

The difference between good QBs and bad QBs is consistency.

 

[The Crusher]

26 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

The other positive is that he really didn’t do anything stupid in the 2nd half.  He hopefully realizes his team is strong enough to win without him playing hero ball and watching allen implode may also have him see it from the other side, regardless of how lauded allen is.  Turnovers make you lose.  Punting is ok.

Yea!!

[docdhc]

41 minutes ago, Pac said:

 

Hell yes let’s stop this pity party!  Parcels went 8-8 after Vinny went down and he lost the first game and took weeks to find Ray Lucas. As Parcels said this ain’t a funeral fellas, we got a great team around Zach and he’s entering his third year, why can’t he take a leap. Jets are making the playoffs and I’m all in on Zach!

[The Crusher]

7 minutes ago, Larz said:

Very curious if the QB school guy covers Zach. He killed the Bears offense from play design to blocking to Fields decisions. 
 

the inconsistency is what hurts. Good Zach can win a playoff game. Bad Zach loses it.  Need more of this 

 

 

Sweet 2 plays 

[Claymation]

1 minute ago, docdhc said:

Hell yes let’s stop this pity party!  Parcels went 8-8 after Vinny went down and he lost the first game and took weeks to find Ray Lucas. As Parcels said this ain’t a funeral fellas, we got a great team around Zach and he’s entering his third year, why can’t he take a leap. Jets are making the playoffs and I’m all in on Zach!

[FTL Jet Fan]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

For Friends of Douglas looking to protect Joe Douglas

Happy to see you back.

[docdhc]

2 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Yea!!

He also made several good throws on the Td drive and the Jets out scored Buffalo 13-3 in the half. 

[The Crusher]

1 minute ago, docdhc said:

He also made several good throws on the Td drive and the Jets out scored Buffalo 13-3 in the half. 

Hell yeah!! 

[slats]

37 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

If I were trying to be optimistic, I would focus on his completion percentage. He was at 67% on Monday night and around the same for the entire preseason. It seems like he’s learned how to complete screen passes and check the ball down much more consistently. That’s a positive. 
 

He also has very good escapability in the pocket - probably the most underrated part of his game. 
 

those are really the two positive attributes to his game right now. Hard to come up with more than that. 

It was difficult to watch Zach hold onto the ball too long, and worse was watching him run backwards 40 yards just to throw the ball away. Escapability is great, but those plays need to result in positive yards rather than highlight reel incompletions. 
 
I was also encouraged by him taking what the Bills stingy defense was giving by throwing to his backs, but he can’t do that as much as he was Monday night consistently. He needs to be able to find Garrett Wilson and get him the ball. The TEs need to be more involved, too. 

[slimjasi]

Just now, slats said:

It was difficult to watch Zach hold onto the ball too long, and worse was watching him run backwards 40 yards just to throw the ball away. Escapability is great, but those plays need to result in positive yards rather than highlight reel incompletions. 
 
I was also encouraged by him taking what the Bills stingy defense was giving by throwing to his backs, but he can’t do that as much as he was Monday night consistently. He needs to be able to find Garrett Wilson and get him the ball. The TEs need to be more involved, too. 

Agreed. I was giving you my most optimistic outlook on Zach, but I agree with everything you wrote. 

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

If Zach was more decisive it would help him a lot. He holds the ball way too long. 

I’m not a Zach Wilson fan. In fact I hate him as a player. But I gotta hope this kid has matured a little bit and can just manage the game. Just be average. Complete the basic stuff and limit turnovers.

[FootballLove]

On the stare down pick that ZW thru, I've only saw it once on replay during the game, but it seemed the center and nose tackle were engaged in battle right in front of ZW, with the defender who intercepted the ball standing behind those two about 1 yard downfield.

I really don't think Z saw him. BUT the middle linebacker is the ONE player Z NEEDS to see and know exactly where he is BEFORE throwing that pass. If Z couldn't see him, then don't risk the throw, even a 2 yarder. That's the only defender who could screw the play up, so Z needs to know where he was. Sheesh.

[rangerous]

34 minutes ago, docdhc said:

Hell yes let’s stop this pity party!  Parcels went 8-8 after Vinny went down and he lost the first game and took weeks to find Ray Lucas. As Parcels said this ain’t a funeral fellas, we got a great team around Zach and he’s entering his third year, why can’t he take a leap. Jets are making the playoffs and I’m all in on Zach!

This is a better team than those 99 jets.  Maybe the oline isn’t as good but at just about every other position they’re better.  They need a mawae on the oline.

[Augustiniak]

Just now, FootballLove said:

On the stare down pick that ZW thru, I've only saw it once on replay during the game, but it seemed the center and nose tackle were engaged in battle right in front of ZW, with the defender who intercepted the ball standing behind those two about 1 yard downfield.

I really don't think Z saw him. BUT the middle linebacker is the ONE player Z NEEDS to see and know exactly where he is BEFORE throwing that pass. If Z couldn't see him, then don't risk the throw, even a 2 yarder. That's the only defender who could screw the play up, so Z needs to know where he was. Sheesh.

That’s the thing, he should know by now that those over the middle throws usually don’t wind up positive.  That said, his 2nd half was encouraging.  The jets just need him to be efficient and not make bonehead throws.  Look how allen lost the bills the game.  Maybe wilson will learn from that. 

[GandWFan]

28 minutes ago, slats said:

It was difficult to watch Zach hold onto the ball too long, and worse was watching him run backwards 40 yards just to throw the ball away. Escapability is great, but those plays need to result in positive yards rather than highlight reel incompletions. 
 
I was also encouraged by him taking what the Bills stingy defense was giving by throwing to his backs, but he can’t do that as much as he was Monday night consistently. He needs to be able to find Garrett Wilson and get him the ball. The TEs need to be more involved, too. 

Zack hit GW down the field twice that I remember.  Once for a first down on 3rd and 5, and once for the TD.  He also hit Lazard for 20+ yards on a nice anticipation throw.  He can do it.  We just need more of it.

Edited September 13, 2023 by GandWFan

[rbstern]

24 minutes ago, slats said:

It was difficult to watch Zach hold onto the ball too long, and worse was watching him run backwards 40 yards just to throw the ball away. Escapability is great, but those plays need to result in positive yards rather than highlight reel incompletions. 

 

That was a blown up screen play.  Not sure if he had room to dump the ball at Carter's feet.  Certainly would have been less dramatic.  That play was dead from the moment the ball was snapped.  Could have been a disaster, but Wilson's athleticism bailed him out.  Okay result, even with the extra drama.

What I'm looking for, and what I think he will start to do with growing confidence, is checking plays at the line where Garrett Wilson is matched up one on one with a cushion.  Rodgers does that as easily as he breathes.  Wilson can get there, especially with Rodgers telling him he can get there.  That, and more looking off defenders.

I think he's going to get it done for us.

[FootballLove]

5 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

That’s the thing, he should know by now that those over the middle throws usually don’t wind up positive.  That said, his 2nd half was encouraging.  The jets just need him to be efficient and not make bonehead throws.  Look how allen lost the bills the game.  Maybe wilson will learn from that. 

Hopefully. To his credit, he did throw 67% and a TD for the game.

[LIJetsFan]

Do any of you guy recall that Zach had no snaps with the ones up to the point when he entered game 1 MNF while the OC was scrambling to redo his game play to accommodate him?   Geesh, SOJFs are too much.  

Go Jets! 

[Claymation]

5 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said:

Do any of you guy recall that Zach had no snaps with the ones up to the point when he entered game 1 MNF while the OC was scrambling to redo his game play to accommodate him?   Geesh, SOJFs are too much.  

Go Jets! 

Time will tell if this marriage with Hacky-Zach will work out, but I have more faith in Hack getting the most out of Zach than the MiLF.

[BigRy56]

The thing Zach has going for him this time around is the leadership presence around him on offense. It would be nice if it was him, and maybe someday it might (likely not), but on Monday we saw Garrett Wilson, Alan Lazard, and Hackett show their leadership. You saw them all grab Wilson and talk to him directly as he floundered heading into halftime. He came out and played much better after the half - and the 'surprise element' of him being thrown into the game was gone so the Bills had time to adjust to Zach (lol).

Last year that didn't exist. MLF was nowhere to be found, GW & Breece were rookies, and the presence on offense just wasn't there. Everybody's a year older now, Hackett seems to have some good leadership qualities, and there are actual veteran leaders in the room now in Rodgers/Lazard/Cobb/Cook/etc. The run game is also way back and OL is improved.

Couple that with the awesome team dynamic going on with the Jets overall and it's easy to think that Zach will be better than last year. By how much is TBD. I'm not expecting much but perhaps the team is ready to lift his ass up. I think we'll see a lot more of the player we saw the first half of last year playing winning football than we will see post-NE game Zach. At least that's what I am hoping for.

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

I’m nervous saying this because we cannot afford for him to get hurt, but I’d like to see him run a little more to keep the defense honest.  He seemed to be avoiding running past the line of scrimmage at all costs — case in point was that dump off to Conklin for two yards when I could have ran it for what looked like an east 5 yards.

[Sonny Werblin]

When you break it down, it's about getting 1 or 2 first downs with each possession. With the Jets D and special teams, this will flip the field and create opportunities for points.  Eliminate or Limit the 3 and outs and net loss possessions and the Jets will win every game they play. With better coaching and Rodgers' influence, I think Zach will play confident competent football. That is all the Jets need. Will their be a hiccup now and then? Of course there will be, and the naysayers will be laser focused on the mistakes and ignore the growth. 

[Guilhermezmc]

Why are we giving the Cowboys that much credit?

Zach is going to have another Titans game...