Tank without tanking

[Wit]

The only way the Jets ever get out of this horrific pattern of losing is to hit on a QB. You hit on that, and the right coaching staff is drawn to the team.

Next year is a deep draft and specifically a deep QB draft. Keep shooting your shot until you get it right. On top of that rodgers will play (hopefully) next year which gives the dude a chance to sit and learn. 

I would say this year to NOT make any moves to improve anymore. In fact, trade some pieces to actual contending teams and get some draft capital back. This allows the Jets to trade up if need be, or bulk up the OL again with a QB. 

I'm not giving up on the season. If this team makes the playoffs, great, we all deserve it. However, trading huff for a first or some other "extra" pieces for a few first to fourth rounder's is the way to go.

For those that are done with Saleh and JD, that's fair, but Rodgers will not want to come back next year to a brand new staff and front office. Most likely they get another year or an extension. 

People need to be practical about this situation. 

TLDR, don't improve the team, trade some pieces for draft capital next year, Saleh and JD are here for another year since Rodgers will be back. 

[ronaldmcdougall]

*checks first mock draft of the season*

[The Gun Of Bavaria]

How many more top pick QBs have to fail before we figure out a better method of finding QBs.

And tanking for a USC QB is like purposely asking to have your testicles shaved with a rusty sickle. 

[Beerfish]

If you are bringing Rodgers back for another year or two you are not drafting a QB, sorry.   You are in win now mode or you are not.

[shawn306]

Lose one game and the tank is on. 
 

God I love Jets fans

[y2k8]

[TuscanyTile2]

We are way too talented right now to tank enough to pick #1 overall.  The time to do that was in the Trevor year.  I remember when people on here criticized those of us who were rooting for losses.

[GangGreened]

100% on board. If Wilson completely implodes against NE like we expect, just roll with him and draft a QB.

Let the new kid sit behind Rodgers for a year and learn and then take over.

[Adoni Beast]

Rodgers will probably be playing another 2 years in an effort to secure his legacy + not go out due to an injury. 

We aren't seeing any GM + HC changes or drafting a QB in the first round until Rodgers writes "I retire as QB of the NYJ" on a napkin.

[Wit]

Read the post, Im not advocating for tanking for Caleb. Im just saying accept what you are without Rodgers and sell off some pieces. Don't take the core apart, don't trade leadership pieces, but there are guys we can get first to fourth rounder for that will bolster this team for next year and beyond. 

[bitonti]

tanking (in the NFL) is dumb

in the NBA maybe it works (maybe)

just to review the Jets "sucked for sam" they "tanked for Trevor" and lost all those games 

for what? 

Every win is important and every loss is a setback 

I don't care that they won a game against the Rams and missed out on that rube Trevor. Or Matt Ryan all those years ago 

They passed on Lamar during Darnold's year. They passed on mahomes during Adams year 

good teams find players from all over the round 

you do have to draft these guys but don't have to pick at 1 or 2 overall to get a QB 

they just have to draft smarter not lose more games 

[bitonti]

Just now, Wit said:

Read the post, Im not advocating for tanking for Caleb. Im just saying accept what you are without Rodgers and sell off some pieces. 

what pieces? Randall Cobb? 

the Jets can trade Bryce Huff if they want 

this team isn't exactly loaded with young cheap talent anymore 

[jbt]

We need to draft a QB to sit and learn behind Rodgers.  If a QB you like falls in the 1st you do it, if not then trade into 2nd or take one in the 3rd

[kevinc855]

No. The 2021 draft was supposed to be deep at QB as well

No just no

[Augustiniak]

3 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Rodgers will probably be playing another 2 years in an effort to secure his legacy + not go out due to an injury. 

We aren't seeing any GM + HC changes or drafting a QB in the first round until Rodgers writes "I retire as QB of the NYJ" on a napkin.

Disagree.  Wilson will be gone and the gm can’t rely on rodgers staying healthy anymore.  And even if rodgers returns next year, what are we really getting?  Is he Brady his last year?  How mobile will he be?  

You look around the nfl and see all these teams that are making the playoffs with young qbs.  Drafting a qb is still the best way to sustain success, b/c if they don’t, then they’re praying rodgers stays healthy again with no viable backup and the entire future of the team looks bleak again.  

[Adoni Beast]

2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

Disagree.  Wilson will be gone and the gm can’t rely on rodgers staying healthy anymore.  And even if rodgers returns next year, what are we really getting?  Is he Brady his last year?  How mobile will he be?  

You look around the nfl and see all these teams that are making the playoffs with young qbs.  Drafting a qb is still the best way to sustain success, b/c if they don’t, then they’re praying rodgers stays healthy again with no viable backup and the entire future of the team looks bleak again.  

Oh I'm not saying that WE shouldn't plan to draft a QB or change FO or HC if need be. I just know what's going to happen.

Woody is probably still bedazzled that Rodgers is on this team even if injured, and will chalk any failure this year up to his injury with a plan of draft and free agency aimed at pleasing and support #8s return in 2024.

I would draft a QB in the 1st next year, let him sit behind Rodgers for a year or two. But the OL is so bad we will probably be looking at having to draft and sign 2-3 new starters for 2024, and I can bet that's what JD does.

[GreenFish]

I’m convinced the issue is the Jets do not know how to develop QBs. We rush them on the field before they are ready. One of Geno, Sanchez, Sam and Zach should have hit for us.

Draft a QB. Sure. Make him QB3 so that he doesnt have to be rushed onto the field. This was suppose to be a learning year for Zach. Why the hell was he QB2?

 

[GangGreened]

2 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

I’m convinced the issue is the Jets do not know how to develop QBs. We rush them on the field before they are ready. One of Geno, Sanchez, Sam and Zach should have hit for us.

Draft a QB. Sure. Make him QB3 so that he doesnt have to be rushed onto the field. This was was suppose to be a learning for Zach. Why the hell was he QB2?

 

Because of his draft status, Douglas and Saleh are just trying to save some face. But it looks like that is going to backfire big time.

[Wit]

8 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

I’m convinced the issue is the Jets do not know how to develop QBs. We rush them on the field before they are ready. One of Geno, Sanchez, Sam and Zach should have hit for us.

Draft a QB. Sure. Make him QB3 so that he doesnt have to be rushed onto the field. This was suppose to be a learning for Zach. Why the hell was he QB2?

 

I agree 1000 percent. I dont know how to change this though. They havent been able to do this in decades. 

[Jetsplayer21]

30 minutes ago, Wit said:

The only way the Jets ever get out of this horrific pattern of losing is to hit on a QB. You hit on that, and the right coaching staff is drawn to the team.

Next year is a deep draft and specifically a deep QB draft. Keep shooting your shot until you get it right. On top of that rodgers will play (hopefully) next year which gives the dude a chance to sit and learn. 

I would say this year to NOT make any moves to improve anymore. In fact, trade some pieces to actual contending teams and get some draft capital back. This allows the Jets to trade up if need be, or bulk up the OL again with a QB. 

I'm not giving up on the season. If this team makes the playoffs, great, we all deserve it. However, trading huff for a first or some other "extra" pieces for a few first to fourth rounder's is the way to go.

For those that are done with Saleh and JD, that's fair, but Rodgers will not want to come back next year to a brand new staff and front office. Most likely they get another year or an extension. 

People need to be practical about this situation. 

TLDR, don't improve the team, trade some pieces for draft capital next year, Saleh and JD are here for another year since Rodgers will be back. 

JD has been a piss poor gm. There is a reason why he has never been to playoffs. Yes have to hit on qb ( he failed there ) but also build around a qb FIRST. Especially the OL. JD’s rookie mistakes was believing he was doing something great focusing more on D. All these great D players were then for the taking not by error. Everyone else was putting more emphasis to building around the qb. Reaching for OTs, over paying them. Letting a guy like CJ Mosley go to pay for a OT, etc. 

[GangGreened]

This is like the one approach we haven’t really tried recently. 
 

Let a kid sit and learn and don’t start him from day 1 on a dumpster fire roster.

[BigRy56]

It seems as though there are 4 or 5 round 1 QBs. If Zach ends up throwing the season away and we are picking in the 10-15 range again, drafting another QB in round 1 is 100% fair game in my eyes. You can stash them behind Rodgers and keep it moving

[Augustiniak]

21 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Oh I'm not saying that WE shouldn't plan to draft a QB or change FO or HC if need be. I just know what's going to happen.

Woody is probably still bedazzled that Rodgers is on this team even if injured, and will chalk any failure this year up to his injury with a plan of draft and free agency aimed at pleasing and support #8s return in 2024.

I would draft a QB in the 1st next year, let him sit behind Rodgers for a year or two. But the OL is so bad we will probably be looking at having to draft and sign 2-3 new starters for 2024, and I can bet that's what JD does.

They’re going to have to play tippman soon, and hopefully he proves to fix the interior of the line. Also can see throwing avt at LT and that could fix LT.  But yes they are going to need another lineman at least before next season.

i do think if they don’t make the playoffs jd is going to scout the crap out of these qbs.  He will get one more shot to get one, imo.  And lucky for him he has a first rounder to do it. 

[32EBoozer]

50 minutes ago, Wit said:

TLDR,

If you think your post was TLDR..... check out some of @Sperm Edwards novellas!

[GangGreened]

11 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

It seems as though there are 4 or 5 round 1 QBs. If Zach ends up throwing the season away and we are picking in the 10-15 range again, drafting another QB in round 1 is 100% fair game in my eyes. You can stash them behind Rodgers and keep it moving

I just don’t know if anyone in this organization has the balls to tell Aaron that’s the plan if he wants help in the first round. 
 

[Rhg1084]

I think we’re at the bleakest point in franchise history to be honest. Longest playoff drought in all of professional sports, so much hype/promise for this season and it blew up in our face. Not sure where the franchise goes from here 

[thebuzzardman]

43 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

We are way too talented right now to tank enough to pick #1 overall.  The time to do that was in the Trevor year.  I remember when people on here criticized those of us who were rooting for losses.

Unfortunately none of this "talent" was on display yesterday. Why will any other games be different?

[thebuzzardman]

Just now, Rhg1084 said:

I think we’re at the bleakest point in franchise history to be honest. Longest playoff drought in all of professional sports, so much hype/promise for this season and it blew up in our face. Not sure where the franchise goes from here 

Into the sh*tter where it normally is?

[JetPotato]

Endless cycle of not fixing the offensive line so new QB has no chance of development is endless.

[Sperm Edwards]

46 minutes ago, bitonti said:

what pieces? Randall Cobb? 

the Jets can trade Bryce Huff if they want 

this team isn't exactly loaded with young cheap talent anymore 

Huff should be a major trade chip once someone else (ideally someone we don't play the rest of the season) loses an edge rusher. 

Do I like him as a player? Sure I do. If he was someone we didn't like, no one else would give anything serious for him either. But they can't keep everyone at one position group when there is more talent needed elsewhere.

They drafted JJII and McDonald and still have JFM for a few more years & Lawson for the rest of this year. With QW and - Woods/Jefferson but honestly, whomever - also inside, plus JFM/Thomas flipping inside & out depending on the situation, that's plenty enough DL talent even without Huff. 

[TuscanyTile2]

10 minutes ago, thebuzzardman said:

Unfortunately none of this "talent" was on display yesterday. Why will any other games be different?

This was a road game against a very good team that's playing terrific football right now.

[Dunnie]

6 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Huff should be a major trade chip once someone else (ideally someone we don't play the rest of the season) loses an edge rusher. 

Do I like him as a player? Sure I do. If he was someone we didn't like, no one else would give anything serious for him either. But they can't keep everyone at one position group when there is more talent needed elsewhere.

They drafted JJII and McDonald and still have JFM for a few more years & Lawson for the rest of this year. With QW and - Woods/Jefferson but honestly, whomever - also inside, plus JFM/Thomas flipping inside & out depending on the situation, that's plenty enough DL talent even without Huff. 

Although Huff was arguable the best of the bunch yesterday ... still i agree with the sell high mentality in this case.

Edited September 18, 2023 by Dunnie

[Spoot-Face]

This team is too talented to tank.

Throw away yet another season, and you risk losing the locker room. If you thought having to trade Elijah Moore was bad enough, imagine having to deal with a disgruntled Garrett Wilson and Sauce Gardner.

[Wit]

13 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Huff should be a major trade chip once someone else (ideally someone we don't play the rest of the season) loses an edge rusher. 

Do I like him as a player? Sure I do. If he was someone we didn't like, no one else would give anything serious for him either. But they can't keep everyone at one position group when there is more talent needed elsewhere.

They drafted JJII and McDonald and still have JFM for a few more years & Lawson for the rest of this year. With QW and - Woods/Jefferson but honestly, whomever - also inside, plus JFM/Thomas flipping inside & out depending on the situation, that's plenty enough DL talent even without Huff. 

Probably KC has a need for a game ending rusher. 

[Green Truth]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

If you are bringing Rodgers back for another year or two you are not drafting a QB, sorry.   You are in win now mode or you are not.

I usually agree with you on most things. If they end up with a losing season or even an 9-8 season, they will draft another QB in RD1 in 2024. You cant let this next QB class pass by without having someone to take over the reigns in 25 or 26. Zach is definitely not it and most FA QB's are backups at best. If they don't take a QB in RD1 next year. Everyone should be fired on the spot.

Zach would have to make the playoffs to take drafting a QB in round 1 off the table.

I think they will try and get Bakhtiari who is still in his early 30's to help the o-line. Most likely would have to be via trade. As I believe they have 3 pieces to the o-line with Becton, AVT and Tippman. They need to find a tackle and a guard.