We should be very upset!

[Bronx]

I know most of you have being around JN longer than me. I did perhaps lost touch after JI was bought out. I did have a 386x CPU back in 1997 with AOL internet with a whooping 1mb per minute.  My point is that I have being around for a long time cheering this team.  

We should be very upset and stop pretending that we are fine because we are not. Saleh is also about to lose the locker room with angry players such as Hall and I am sure he stirred the pot with his dumb comments. 

As far as the offseason,  I was not a strong advocate for Aaron Rodgers and I really wanted Carr--who by the way is 2-0--due to his cap-friendly contract, non-compensation (draft picks), age, durability and experience. Once Rodgers became a Jet, the only choice was to root for him 110%.  Unfortunately, I had a gut feeling that he wasn't going to last the entire season and it obviously became fruition.  

The thing that upsets me the most is that we didn't take care of the Oline. We brought back an aging LT, a mediocre C (it was a damn good deal for the Jets  cap wise), multiple injured players returning (Becton, Maxwell, AVT, Brown). a major bust LG (another JD gem), I mean, the sh*t just keeps on piling like fertilizer on a kimchi field.  But the worst part of all was entrusting Zach WIlson as the back-up QB. This action illustrated the obsessive infatuation for this kid.  Numbers don't lie and Wilson has been at the bottom of the barrel on all stats.  Why not bring a reliable back-up QB?

I am very certain that we universally think Zach Wilson is the biggest bust in NY Jets history (sorry Gholston!).  It is understandable that we feel an attachment towards him, mainly because we drafted him (blood related feeling), but this is a business and you have to honor your customers.  As fans, we deserve a better upper management and a hybrid head coach to run our beloved NY Jets, because 5 years of mismanagement from the current office and terrible coaching is long enough. 

We should be very upset! 

 

[Adoni Beast]

Agreed and I think the biggest issue was that a better backup QB wasn't brought in, especially if they were treating this year as Zach Wilson's redshirt year to sit back and learn.

This is a win now team and should have brought in a vet backup and carried 3 QBs (not ideal but you can't have your cake and eat it too).

But I think organizationally they are fine giving up wins now that Rodgers is hurt. They'll know if Zach Wilson has a future with this team or not by season's end. That thinking (if its true but it does seem that way) is kind of absurd and will fracture the locker room and turn this team off from free agents.

[jetstream23]

5 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Agreed and I think the biggest issue was that a better backup QB wasn't brought in, especially if they were treating this year as Zach Wilson's redshirt year to sit back and learn.

This is a win now team and should have brought in a vet backup and carried 3 QBs (not ideal but you can't have your cake and eat it too).

But I think organizationally they are fine giving up wins now that Rodgers is hurt. They'll know if Zach Wilson has a future with this team or not by season's end. That thinking (if its true but it does seem that way) is kind of absurd and will fracture the locker room and turn this team off from free agents.

That’s a key point. This is no longer a reset year for Zach, it’s likely his final evaluation year.

While we all seem to know what he is…. Big arm, good scrambler, bad decision-maker, less than accurate…. We will simply have more evidence of all this by the end of the year. And that likely accelerates the decision, pending Aaron Rodgers off-season recovery, as to whether they will get rid of Wilson for pennies on the dollar in early ‘24 and bring in a true veteran #2 quarterback, or if they stick with him and just don’t pick up the option.
 

[Bronx]

4 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

But I think organizationally they are fine giving up wins now that Rodgers is hurt. They'll know if Zach Wilson has a future with this team or not by season's end.

From SB hopes to yet another laboratory study. 

[Barry McCockinner]

Who is pretending we're fine? The season was over in 4 plays. We lost. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

Don't tell me how to feel! 

[Pac]

It's 1 game and Zach wasn't the worst part. 

I'll be upset if we don't have make a playoff push but right now we're 1-1.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

[Bronx]

8 minutes ago, Pac said:

It's 1 game and Zach wasn't the worst part. 

#IT WAS GARBAGE TIME

#I MAKE EXCUSES PVO

[Brady's a catcher]

16 minutes ago, Pac said:

It's 1 game and Zach wasn't the worst part. 

I'll be upset if we don't have make a playoff push but right now we're 1-1.

 

Playoff push? I just hope we're competitive against the patriots.

[nj meadowlands]

Another novel thread

[JetPotato]

I've been upset for 47 years

[joewilly12]

43 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Who is pretending we're fine? The season was over in 4 plays. We lost. 

The NY Jets put their hopes dreams into a 40 yr old QB. 

[Barry McCockinner]

4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

The NY Jets put their hopes dreams into a 40 yr old QB. 

They took a shot. It doesn't always work. I think it was still a good shot to take.

[UntouchableCrew]

54 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Agreed and I think the biggest issue was that a better backup QB wasn't brought in, especially if they were treating this year as Zach Wilson's redshirt year to sit back and learn.

This is a win now team and should have brought in a vet backup and carried 3 QBs (not ideal but you can't have your cake and eat it too).

100%.

They should have either traded Wilson for pennies on the dollar and moved on or simply carried three QBs and kept him inactive for the redshirt year.

Keeping him as the backup with no fallback option was always bizarre and this nightmare scenario playing out is exactly why.

[CanadienJetsFan]

If we lose to the Pats AGAIN, by being out-coached and out-played, then we all need to accept that it’s back to the drawing board with this staff.

This is Saleh’s Michigan-Ohio State type game.

HIS TEAM needs to beat NE this weekend.

[Adoni Beast]

6 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

100%.

They should have either traded Wilson for pennies on the dollar and moved on or simply carried three QBs and kept him inactive for the redshirt year.

Keeping him as the backup with no fallback option was always bizarre and this nightmare scenario playing out is exactly why.

Between the avoidance of addressing both, the backup QB position and the OL properly my expectations were tempered even with a healthy Rodgers for a full year. I assumed we'd make the playoffs, but not win the division and lose in the 1st or 2nd round, which is a good year but I didn't expect Super Bowl appearance.

I figured that would wait until 2024 with those last pieces being addressed. Now, we're basically punting on this year to evaluate Zach Wilson, but you know what message that sends to the team? That fracture could spill over into next season with good players demanding for a trade etc (Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall are not going to be happy by midseason if the offense continues like this) This could turn into a mutiny if we don't win some games.

[Larz]

Darnold flaming out started the downward spiral of my interest in this team, Zach sped it up and now the Rodgers thing my god. 
 

I’m here for the gallows humor now. Really not going to get invested in armchair GMing it up or looking at cap space and draft picks anymore.  
 

jinx, curse, ineptitude, fate, whatever I’m just not falling for it anymore 

[playtowinthegame]

I wanted Derek Carr because he cost us nothing in terms of draft capital. The reason it didn't happen was because the Jets wanted to salvage Zach Wilson with almost 40 year old Rodgers as his idilol/mentor for 1 to 2 seasons. Rodgers certainly was the better choice to get the apathetic Jets fanbase excited about the upcoming 2023 season. The better off-season choice at quarterback was Carr imho, but with that said, no use getting upset over spilt milk. I'm hopeful Rodgers being here as a mentor for Zach will help Zach realize some of his potential so the Jets can get in the playoffs.

[Bronx]

8 minutes ago, Larz said:

Darnold flaming out started the downward spiral of my interest in this team, Zach sped it up and now the Rodgers thing my god. 
 

I’m here for the gallows humor now. Really not going to get invested in armchair GMing it up or looking at cap space and draft picks anymore.  
 

jinx, curse, ineptitude, fate, whatever I’m just not falling for it anymore 

You done more than enough to support this site/team and deserve saving your precious time for better use. 

[Chewy and the Jets]

Was good article in Newsday today to the effect that Rodgers was brought here to mask some of these problems.  Bad line, Rodgers helps with quick reads, adjustments to the protection, and cadence.  Bring in Rodgers boys Lazard and Cobb because they know his system but now serve very little function with him out.  In retrospect a pretty simple/naive plan considering Rodgers age and increased likelihood of injury behind the same o line he was brought in to cover for.

Now we have Zach Wilson.  To me he played his butt off in the first half with little help from anyone else including the defense and especially his offensive line.  I'm willing to write off the second half.  He was sacked on the first play making it 2nd and 17.  On the next drive Cook was stripped.  By then we were down multiple scores and whatever semblance we had for a winning game plan was gone.

Now we play the Patriots.  Their coaches are clearly superior to ours in game planning but I believe we have superior talent and we are home making it an even matchup. We need a plan for quick reads and up tempo play calling like the end of the first half when Zach was at his best.  We need to run behind the right side of the line where we are strong not the left where we are weak.  We need to have a tight end chip Judon every damn play to at least slow him down.  A 5th grader could devise this plan but apparently our coaching staff cannot for some inexplicable reason.

Lastly if we were signing a soon to be 40 year old Rodgers we should have kept Mike White or brought in another #2.  If the plan was to train Zach to be our QB in 3 years than putting him in any position where he might play this soon, repeat his issues, and blow any chance at regaining his confidence should have been off the table.

That's all I got to say about that...

            

[Pac]

35 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

They took a shot. It doesn't always work. I think it was still a good shot to take.

Good news.  That sht ain't over yet. 

[Pac]

19 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

I wanted Derek Carr because he cost us nothing in terms of draft capital. The reason it didn't happen was because the Jets wanted to salvage Zach Wilson with almost 40 year old Rodgers as his idilol/mentor for 1 to 2 seasons. Rodgers certainly was the better choice to get the apathetic Jets fanbase excited about the ulcoming 2023 season. The better off-season choice at quarterback was Carr imho, but with that said, no use getting upset over spilt milk. I'm hopeful Rodgers being here as a mentor for Zach will help Zach realize some of his potential so the Jets can get in the playoffs.

Bro Derek Carr sucks.  

[Barry McCockinner]

3 minutes ago, Pac said:

Good news.  That sht ain't over yet. 

Our season was the guy in the white trunks.

[playtowinthegame]

3 minutes ago, Pac said:

Bro Derek Carr sucks.  

Discount Dak would be the best quarterback the Jets have had in decades.

[jetswinbaby!]

Upset?...

Relax...

We are just nearing the end of another NY Jet Firing-Hiring-Firing Cycle...

We will have a new GM-HC-QB combo very soon... 

[Pac]

2 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

Discount Dak would be the best quarterback the Jets have had in decades.

We'd be 1-1 with Carr but Dallas would have broken the single game sack record on Sunday.  Zippy may not be a thinker but the boy is elusive. 

[Green Truth]

I am sure JD wanted Carr also, but was overruled by Woody. Carr also really wanted NO, but you never know what happens when money talks.

I wanted Rodgers. He got hurt and it is what it is. He will give them next year. I hope he can give them above average QB play in 24 and they draft the heir apparent in round 1 in 24.

Zach is done here.

 

[Green Truth]

2 hours ago, Bronx said:

e thing that upsets me the most is that we didn't take care of the Oline. We brought back an aging LT

He went after Orlando Brown and Brown wanted no part of this team.  He tried fixing it.

[Integrity28]

[Maxman]

2 hours ago, Bronx said:

I know most of you have being around JN longer than me. I did perhaps lost touch after JI was bought out. I did have a 386x CPU back in 1997 with AOL internet with a whooping 1mb per minute.  My point is that I have being around for a long time cheering this team.  

We should be very upset and stop pretending that we are fine because we are not. Saleh is also about to lose the locker room with angry players such as Hall and I am sure he stirred the fire with his dumb comments. 

As far as the offseason,  I was not a strong advocate for Aaron Rodgers and I really wanted Carr--who by the way is 2-0--due to his cap-friendly contract, non-compensation (draft picks), age, durability and experience. Once Rodgers became a Jet, the only choice was to root for him 110%.  Unfortunately, I had a gut feeling that he wasn't going to last the entire season and it obviously became fruition.  

The thing that upsets me the most is that we didn't take care of the Oline. We brought back an aging LT, a mediocre C (it was a damn good deal for the Jets  cap wise), multiple injured players returning (Becton, Maxwell, AVT, Brown). a major bust LG (another JD gem), I mean, the sh*t just keeps on piling like fertilizer on a kimchi field.  But the worst part of all was entrusting Zach WIlson as the back-up QB. This action illustrated the obsessive infatuation for this kid.  Numbers don't lie and Wilson has been at the bottom of the barrel on all stats.  Why not bring a reliable back-up QB?

I am very certain that we universally think Zach Wilson is the biggest bust in NY Jets history (sorry Gholston!).  It is understandable that we feel an attachment towards him, mainly because we drafted him (blood related feeling), but this is a business and you have to honor your customers.  As fans, we deserve a better upper management and a hybrid head coach to run our beloved NY Jets, because 5 years of mismanagement from the current office and terrible coaching is long enough. 

We should be very upset! 

 

Thanks for telling others how to feel.

You do you.

[FTL Jet Fan]

Hurry up and wait.

[talonmm]

2 hours ago, Pac said:

It's 1 game and Zach wasn't the worst part. 

I'll be upset if we don't have make a playoff push but right now we're 1-1.

He was not the worst part, but he made no one around him better and did not deal well with the pressure Dallas gave him.

Shame on the OC for not adjusting and calling better plays in the 2nd half, and shame on JD - once again, no quality QB backup and a troubled OL.

[Ben Had]

3 hours ago, Bronx said:

I know most of you have being around JN longer than me. I did perhaps lost touch after JI was bought out. I did have a 386x CPU back in 1997 with AOL internet with a whooping 1mb per minute.  My point is that I have being around for a long time cheering this team.  

We should be very upset and stop pretending that we are fine because we are not. Saleh is also about to lose the locker room with angry players such as Hall and I am sure he stirred the fire with his dumb comments. 

As far as the offseason,  I was not a strong advocate for Aaron Rodgers and I really wanted Carr--who by the way is 2-0--due to his cap-friendly contract, non-compensation (draft picks), age, durability and experience. Once Rodgers became a Jet, the only choice was to root for him 110%.  Unfortunately, I had a gut feeling that he wasn't going to last the entire season and it obviously became fruition.  

The thing that upsets me the most is that we didn't take care of the Oline. We brought back an aging LT, a mediocre C (it was a damn good deal for the Jets  cap wise), multiple injured players returning (Becton, Maxwell, AVT, Brown). a major bust LG (another JD gem), I mean, the sh*t just keeps on piling like fertilizer on a kimchi field.  But the worst part of all was entrusting Zach WIlson as the back-up QB. This action illustrated the obsessive infatuation for this kid.  Numbers don't lie and Wilson has been at the bottom of the barrel on all stats.  Why not bring a reliable back-up QB?

I am very certain that we universally think Zach Wilson is the biggest bust in NY Jets history (sorry Gholston!).  It is understandable that we feel an attachment towards him, mainly because we drafted him (blood related feeling), but this is a business and you have to honor your customers.  As fans, we deserve a better upper management and a hybrid head coach to run our beloved NY Jets, because 5 years of mismanagement from the current office and terrible coaching is long enough. 

We should be very upset! 

 

Just wondering...if u cut Wilson now...who would pick him up? 

[rangerous]

2 hours ago, Bronx said:

I know most of you have being around JN longer than me. I did perhaps lost touch after JI was bought out. I did have a 386x CPU back in 1997 with AOL internet with a whooping 1mb per minute.  My point is that I have being around for a long time cheering this team.  

We should be very upset and stop pretending that we are fine because we are not. Saleh is also about to lose the locker room with angry players such as Hall and I am sure he stirred the fire with his dumb comments. 

As far as the offseason,  I was not a strong advocate for Aaron Rodgers and I really wanted Carr--who by the way is 2-0--due to his cap-friendly contract, non-compensation (draft picks), age, durability and experience. Once Rodgers became a Jet, the only choice was to root for him 110%.  Unfortunately, I had a gut feeling that he wasn't going to last the entire season and it obviously became fruition.  

The thing that upsets me the most is that we didn't take care of the Oline. We brought back an aging LT, a mediocre C (it was a damn good deal for the Jets  cap wise), multiple injured players returning (Becton, Maxwell, AVT, Brown). a major bust LG (another JD gem), I mean, the sh*t just keeps on piling like fertilizer on a kimchi field.  But the worst part of all was entrusting Zach WIlson as the back-up QB. This action illustrated the obsessive infatuation for this kid.  Numbers don't lie and Wilson has been at the bottom of the barrel on all stats.  Why not bring a reliable back-up QB?

I am very certain that we universally think Zach Wilson is the biggest bust in NY Jets history (sorry Gholston!).  It is understandable that we feel an attachment towards him, mainly because we drafted him (blood related feeling), but this is a business and you have to honor your customers.  As fans, we deserve a better upper management and a hybrid head coach to run our beloved NY Jets, because 5 years of mismanagement from the current office and terrible coaching is long enough. 

We should be very upset! 

 

Relax. I’m sure everyone has the same feelings based on sundays performance but it’s only game two and teams need a few games to figure out what kind of team they are.  I don’t think saleh has lost the locker room.  Hall most likely wanted more touches but the way the oline played he wasn’t going to get many yards.  In hindsight he probably should have gotten more carries but at some point player risk is more more important than playing a lost game. This isn’t to say they gave up or should have given up but it was pretty clear the oline just wasn’t getting the job done.  Good point about brown. He was pretty much a turnstile against parsons. Seems to me they can shuffle the oline around and get better pass protection and run blocking.