“Not our brand of football…”

[Integrity28]

Apparently, our brand of football is to get beat like a drum, refuse to adapt, and then get all arrogant when asked about it.

[Integrity28]

We’ve really got to stop hiring guys that only know one way to do things… “not our process” is a tell-tale sign of limited experience, adaptability, and ingenuity. 

[Maxman]

Anyone ever hear the story with Parcells and L..T. his rookie year? I think LT blitzed instead of covering the linebacker, sacks the QB. Comes off the field and gets yelled at. That isn't the play, know your assignment.

It happens again and LT blitzes, gets a sack and a fumble perhaps. Comes off the field and gets yelled at, that isn't the play.

LT says something like, coach that needs to be the play.

Now I heard this a million years ago, so I am sure I have the particulars wrong. But the point does remain...

[JohnnyLV]

Saleh us amazingly stubborn about systems. He did make changes eventually last season and likely will again Not at all sold on the guy

[BurnleyJet]

If his season slips into the total dumpster fire I think it will, Saleh won’t be here next year.

[FactsOnly]

This guy is a complete BOZO

what other team in NFL history was wearing t shirts of the backup quarterback?

CLOWN!!

[#27TheDominator]

It was a bad matchup and they got beat.  Sauce would not have excelled chasing Lamb around all day.  You guys want to play man?  You'll get zero picks and be worse against the run.  You all signing up for that?  Keep patting each other and the assman on the back like you know something the coaches don't.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Saleh’s brand of football to date in one word:

Losing

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

They should have fired Saleh and kept LaFleur.

Promote Boyer or Riverboat Ronnie Middleton to HC.

[Guilhermezmc]

This is the same guy who refuses to play Bryce Huff ans plays his 20m DT 50% of the snaps. Don't know why you guys are surprised

[Dcat]

3 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Apparently, our brand of football is to get beat like a drum, refuse to adapt, and then get all arrogant when asked about it.

WTF did the Jets draft Sauce if Saleh insists that they won't be using any man coverage?

I'm starting to believe that Saleh has to go.  He is not good. 

[Creepy Lurker]

Completely absurd. I wish AR would just observe things like this and give Woody the green light to move on from him and Douglas. I could see the Jets attracting quality candidates for once if AR tells them he’ll be there for 2 more years, just get him an OL and a coach with half a brain.

[Creepy Lurker]

2 minutes ago, Dcat said:

WTF did the Jets draft Sauce if Saleh insists that they won't be using any man coverage?

I'm starting to believe that Saleh has to go.  He is not good. 

EXACTLY. I didn’t understand drafting a corner that high because of his STUPID system. Sauce seems like an excellent player but this team criminally fails to maximize their player’s talent. Bad coaches can’t adapt. Rex would never have done that. 

[neckdemon]

4 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Apparently, our brand of football is to get beat like a drum, refuse to adapt, and then get all arrogant when asked about it.

thats the stupidest answer i've ever heard. so your brand of football is to be outcoached as they make sure their best receiver avoids being covered by your best db. then he goes off for lke 11 catches and 120 yds. good job idiot!! your brand of football is to coach stupid

[Biggs]

I've said it since they hired him.  The CEO HC is not a thing.  Coach's teach players and build teams based on the personal they have not the personal they wish for.  NFL coach's game plan and adjust to personal, their's and the opponents.  They aren't life coach's.

You look at the great HC they usually have a reputation as disciplinarians.  In reality they were all roll up your sleeve teachers.  Lombardi, Stram, Walsh even BB they were innovative and got into the details.  They adjusted to the game and the game adjusted to them.  Rinse repeat.  

The "System" is just another word for too lazy to get under the hood and do the grimy detail work.  

[Bronx]

#MyBrands 

 

[JiFtheOracle]

Ironic topic because I understand Saleh is trying to recreate the Legion of Boom here and he just faced the architect, Dan Quinn and you can see the similarities, minus the best defensive player in the NFL who is going to give everyone fits.  Cover 3 press and bail, not a ton of full out man, basically no blitzing, Diggs plays his side of the field, Gilmore plays the other.  That said, even Quinn and Carrol eventually caved and let Sherman shadow the opposing teams best WR and I remember this because he was getting flak for it while Revis was shadowing and there was a debate about who's the best.  If memory serves me right, they had him shadow AB and shut him down during his best WR in the game stage of his career.

That said, it's a little too early IMO to start switching things up and ringing alarms.  Remember how this D looked last year the first 3 games into the season?  They gave up over 200 yards and 3 TD"s to both Burrow and Jackson and Week 2 Brissett was picking them apart too and similarly, Cooper went for like 10, 100 and 1 TD, sauce got burned for one.  They got the communication down, figured some stuff out and then went on to be one of the best D's in the league, specifically the best D in the NFL during the 4th quarter.  

I'm not fighting upstream here, I think coaches need to be flexible and need to be willing to change things up for better results.  I hate leaders who arent adaptable but I'm not going to hit Saleh too hard on this comment...yet.   It's early, they faced Diggs and Lamb right out the rip, arguably both top 5 WR's in the NFL.   They have a couple of lethal combo's left on the schedule Brown/Smith and Hill/Waddle and some studs, Adams, Diggs, Cooper.  So we'll see how they face those challenges because Reed is a damn good corner as well.  The Jets are fortunate to have both guys that can lock someone down and I do think there are pros and cons to both methods of approach and they proved last year, it worked.  This system, created Sauce Gardner. 

I will say this, conceptually, shadowing a WR in a cover 3 press and bail, is a bit challenging.  It isnt as effective as say, how Rex used to call a D where they'd put Revis on the Island, let him lock it down w/ exotic blitzes and sh*t all over the other side of the field baiting QB's into bad decisions and taking away a side of the field.  This system is more about trying to create that extra second, to get to the QB because they're going to make you score by long, grueling 15 play drives, etc.  It's a bit of a bend dont break methodology, never let up the big play, etc.

Again, I'm not saying Suace shadowing is wrong, it's just not as easy IMO w/ in the system to say hey, go cover this guy for the entire game.  Yeah, sure Lamb went off but peep that game plan, how many balls actually traveled downfield from Dak?  They threw almost exclusively at or around the LOS and picked up YAC.  How many balls traveled over 5 yards?  Sauce can shadow every WR in the world if he wants but that wont slow down what they saw on Sunday.  

[Matt39]

6 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

We’ve really got to stop hiring guys that only know one way to do things… “not our process” is a tell-tale sign of limited experience, adaptability, and ingenuity. 

I don’t understand how you can take a corner 4th overall and then sit him in soft zone coverage on one side of the field rendering him useless. Why use such a high resource on a position that doesn’t require it? If this was the case we’d be better off with both of the Ohio State receivers. 

[Matt39]

11 minutes ago, JiF said:

Ironic topic because I understand Saleh is trying to recreate the Legion of Boom here and he just faced the architect, Dan Quinn and you can see the similarities, minus the best defensive player in the NFL who is going to give everyone fits.  Cover 3 press and bail, not a ton of full out man, basically no blitzing, Diggs plays his side of the field, Gilmore plays the other.  That said, even Quinn and Carrol eventually caved and let Sherman shadow the opposing teams best WR and I remember this because he was getting flak for it while Revis was shadowing and there was a debate about who's the best.  If memory serves me right, they had him shadow AB and shut him down during his best WR in the game stage of his career.

That said, it's a little too early IMO to start switching things up and ringing alarms.  Remember how this D looked last year the first 3 games into the season?  They gave up over 200 yards and 3 TD"s to both Burrow and Jackson and Week 2 Brissett was picking them apart too and similarly, Cooper went for like 10, 100 and 1 TD, sauce got burned for one.  They got the communication down, figured some stuff out and then went on to be one of the best D's in the league, specifically the best D in the NFL during the 4th quarter.  

I'm not fighting upstream here, I think coaches need to be flexible and need to be willing to change things up for better results.  I hate leaders who arent adaptable but I'm not going to hit Saleh too hard on this comment...yet.   It's early, they faced Diggs and Lamb right out the rip, arguably both top 5 WR's in the NFL.   They have a couple of lethal combo's left on the schedule Brown/Smith and Hill/Waddle and some studs, Adams, Diggs, Cooper.  So we'll see how they face those challenges because Reed is a damn good corner as well.  The Jets are fortunate to have both guys that can lock someone down and I do think there are pros and cons to both methods of approach and they proved last year, it worked.  This system, created Sauce Gardner. 

I will say this, conceptually, shadowing a WR in a cover 3 press and bail, is a bit challenging.  It isnt as effective as say, how Rex used to call a D where they'd put Revis on the Island, let him lock it down w/ exotic blitzes and sh*t all over the other side of the field baiting QB's into bad decisions and taking away a side of the field.  This system is more about trying to create that extra second, to get to the QB because they're going to make you score by long, grueling 15 play drives, etc.  It's a bit of a bend dont break methodology, never let up the big play, etc.

Again, I'm not saying Suace shadowing is wrong, it's just not as easy IMO w/ in the system to say hey, go cover this guy for the entire game.  Yeah, sure Lamb went off but peep that game plan, how many balls actually traveled downfield from Dak?  They threw almost exclusively at or around the LOS and picked up YAC.  How many balls traveled over 5 yards?  Sauce can shadow every WR in the world if he wants but that wont slow down what they saw on Sunday.  

Diggs has way better ball skills than Sauce. He’s another Asante type player. Sauces skill set is man. 

[DireJet]

5 hours ago, FactsOnly said:

This guy is a complete BOZO

what other team in NFL history was wearing t shirts of the backup quarterback?

CLOWN!!

Rent Free

[JiFtheOracle]

7 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Diggs has way better ball skills than Sauce. He’s another Asante type player. Sauces skill set is man. 

Sauce can play man or zone at an elite level.  We know this because we watched him win RDPOY playing in this system.  It's not a man system, it's cover 3 press and bail and coming into the season, many considered Sauce the best corner in the game, already.  So I disagree his "skill set is man".  His skill set is awesome, dynamic, do all corner.

You have 4 years of data to say Diggs has better ball skills and how many for Asante?  So, idk you're not wrong I guess but do we know that right now?  Diggs had 3 picks his rookie season, Sauce had 2.  Diggs went bonkers 1 year and will never even come close to repeating that again, as he followed up that insane year w/ another 3 pick season.  So, we'll see, it's week 2 and some folks dont know this but there are 15 games remaining on the schedule, and a lot can happen, so there is a lot to learn yet about this team.  

 

 

 

[Bobby816]

I like Saleh. But if a coach is stubborn in their style and won’t make changes. That’s when they lose their jobs. If you’re getting beat the same way and don’t change anything. That’s 100% on the coach. Another thing we seem to be awful at is not making adjustments until we go in at halftime. Why can’t those adjustments be made after a series or 2? We continuously wait until we go into halftime and then change. Do it faster so we aren’t only playing 1/2 games.

[JiFtheOracle]

19 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I don’t understand how you can take a corner 4th overall and then sit him in soft zone coverage on one side of the field rendering him useless. Why use such a high resource on a position that doesn’t require it? If this was the case we’d be better off with both of the Ohio State receivers. 

Useless?  Useless?

holy sh*t, lmfao - your hate for Sauce is so irrational it's borderline insane.

The Jets went from the 30th ranked defense in the NFL to the 3rd overall D in the NFL.  Why do think that happened?  

[rangerous]

The thing that’s left out in all this is the roll of the offense or lack thereof. The jets were 1/10 on third down conversions and had something like 40 offensive plays to the cowgirls 90+.  Had the offense converted on third down or made longer drives ( and scored some points) the games complexion would’ve been much different.  And lamb had most of his catches in the first half before the jets did some halftime adjustments.

 At this point it’s important for the coaches to look at the game and see what the cowgirls were doing to stifle the offense and what the cowgirls were doing to get those easy completions by Prescott.  If they don’t then they’ll be seeing a whole lot of the same.

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, JiF said:

Useless?  Useless?

holy sh*t, lmfao - your hate for Sauce is so irrational it's borderline insane.

The Jets went from the 30th ranked defense in the NFL to the 3rd overall D in the NFL.  Why do think that happened?  

Hate? It’s truth. The Pats will do the same thing this weekend to the Jets defense. We don’t set Skylar Thompson twice this year. 

[JiFtheOracle]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Hate? It’s truth. The Pats will do the same thing this weekend to the Jets defense. We don’t set Skylar Thompson twice this year. 

Buddy, pal, old friend...,of all the hills...of alllll the hills..."the Sauce Garnder actually sucks" hill, is a ******* beyond bonkers and such a bizarre hill to choose to die on.  I want to help you but have it at brother!  You can be the king of that hill.

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, JiF said:

Buddy, pal, old friend...,of all the hills...of alllll the hills..."the Sauce Garnder actually sucks" hill, is a ******* beyond bonkers and such a bizarre hill to choose to die on.  I want to help you but have it at brother!  You can be the king of that hill.

I don’t think I’ve said he sucked. Would I have voted for Hutchinson as ROY? Yes. Do I think Sauce playing zone and being a system corner a poor use of draft resources? Yes. Do I expect Mac Jones to carve up the Jets middle this weekend? Yes. Do I expect the Jets secondary to force any turnovers? No. 

[Trotter]

Seems like we have been here before with this conversation over the past 40 years.

At least Beningo likes him so he is prob safe since they are texting buddies.

Getting too old for this crap - maybe they will get it right before I do not even realize they did

[Augustiniak]

4 minutes ago, Trotter said:

Seems like we have been here before with this conversation over the past 40 years.

At least Beningo likes him so he is prob safe since they are texting buddies.

Getting too old for this crap - maybe they will get it right before I do not even realize they did

Herm Rex bowles saleh.  All the same rhetoric

[Matt39]

11 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

Herm Rex bowles saleh.  All the same rhetoric

Mac Jones is 4-0 against Saleh and has completed 72% of his passes. We are not getting Josh Allen hero ball with Zach Wilson on the other side. The Jets defense will let you control the clock.

[JiFtheOracle]

12 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I don’t think I’ve said he sucked. Would I have voted for Hutchinson as ROY? Yes. Do I think Sauce playing zone and being a system corner a poor use of draft resources? Yes. Do I expect Mac Jones to carve up the Jets middle this weekend? Yes. Do I expect the Jets secondary to force any turnovers? No. 

Lets just recap your stance on Sauce over the past 2 weeks.  You've said; he's overrated, he cant tackle, he doesnt play the ball, he's a system corner, he is useless, he's "too busy reading the press clippings",  he didnt help the Jets improve as a defense, you would have picked a player from the 30th ranked Defense in the NFL for RDPOY over him, and now we have arrived to, Mac Jones is going to carve up the Jets secondary....

.....but yo! guys! I never said Sauce sucks!!!!   lmfao

You are the King of this Hill, just own it, why are you hedging? 

 

[JiFtheOracle]

Just now, Matt39 said:

Mac Jones is 4-0 against Saleh and has completed 72% of his passes. We are not getting Josh Allen hero ball with Zach Wilson on the other side. The Jets defense will let you control the clock.

The last time the Jets faced Mac Jones, the New England Patriots didnt score a single offensive TD.

lmfao

[TuscanyTile2]

6 hours ago, Maxman said:

Anyone ever hear the story with Parcells and L..T. his rookie year? I think LT blitzed instead of covering the linebacker, sacks the QB. Comes off the field and gets yelled at. That isn't the play, know your assignment.

It happens again and LT blitzes, gets a sack and a fumble perhaps. Comes off the field and gets yelled at, that isn't the play.

LT says something like, coach that needs to be the play.

Now I heard this a million years ago, so I am sure I have the particulars wrong. But the point does remain...

That's a great story.  

[The Crusher]

7 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Apparently, our brand of football is to get beat like a drum, refuse to adapt, and then get all arrogant when asked about it.

Well, at least we know where Zach gets it now. 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

7 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

We’ve really got to stop hiring guys that only know one way to do things… “not our process” is a tell-tale sign of limited experience, adaptability, and ingenuity. 

Amen!