Jets OL vs the Cowboys

[Smashmouth]

I watched the Film on the OL and what really turned out to be the biggest mistake was the interior line not being prepared for Parsons. It was obvious during the Giants game that Parsons was stunting a lot. He would line up outside and stunt over the Center.  Now what was alarming was that numerous times during the game we had Guards and the Center with literally no one on them and they were standing in space and rather than knowing where Parsons was or looking for him they decided to go and double team a player that was already easily blocked creating the huge holes Parsons was running through to get to the QB. 

How this was not pointed out not only during a week of preparation but at halftime is criminal. Every offensive lineman should have went up to that line knowing exactly were Parsons was and if they were left without a player to block due to a stunt they should have instantly been looking Parsons way rather than double teaming already blocked players and leaving the middle of the line completely exposed for Parsons who was ready and waiting patiently. 

This had to be just piss poor coaching and preparation. This OL is Horrible at helping each other out and Tomlinson and McGovern are the biggest offenders. They are just not playing good at all head to head or in situations where they are supposed to be helping out. A good OL coach is a must and I think Keith Carter just sucks. If a guy like Bill Callahan (Jets 09) was coaching this line a guy I wanted us to hire as OC this would have been a much different game.

IMO if you are playing center or guard and have no one to block your head should be on a swivel prepared to block anyone stunting to your area NOT double teaming mindlessly leaving your QB wide open as he tries to step up into the pocket.

Yes it takes time for an OL to Gel sometimes 4 + games but these guys just seemed out of touch and I blame a lot of that on coaching and Keith Carter

[Jet_Engine1]

[JiFtheOracle]

The number of coaches and players who suck because Micah Parson is awesome and ruined their game plan and ate their lunch has to be endless at this point.  Starting w/ Brian Daboll and the bums they hired.  They got blanked and eaten alive by Micah and that was a home game w/ their starter who they just signed to a big extension and that bum half the board wanted in the first round, John Michael Schmitz at C. 

BUMS!!!!!!!

[Joe W. Namath]

Conor McGovern isnt even a backup level talent.  He is awful.

Put in Tippy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Beerfish]

The Jets as a team whether it be offensive or defensive coaches have a history of not paying special attention to the other teams best player and letting them beat you.

[Smashmouth]

2 minutes ago, JiF said:

The number of coaches and players who suck because Micah Parson is awesome and ruined their game plan and ate their lunch has to be endless at this point.  Starting w/ Brian Daboll and the bums they hired.  They got blanked and eaten alive by Micah and that was a home game w/ their starter who they just signed to a big extension and that bum half the board wanted in the first round, John Michael Schmitz at C. 

BUMS!!!!!!!

Your right Parsons is a beast but when I see him running untouched through the center of our line with not one player even near him that's a problem. Its also a problem when we had film from the Giants game and he ran the same exact stunts on us and we didn't even account for him .

if you get physically beat and finessed by Parsons one on one that's understandable since I'm not sure anyone can block him but to let him run through holes like he was doing and not adjust or even worse run an empty backfield with a QB that notoriously holds the football too long is just compounding the situation. He does not need any help but we certainly gave it too him.

[bgivs21]

There's definitely a few things at work during that Cowboys game but I'm willing to wait to see if they straighten it out. Last year was similar, OL struggled early then they put it together until AVT got hurt. 

1.) Poor personnel decisions. First play you run left behind Uzoma, Brown and Tomlinson. You're weakest links. 

2.) Seems some of the game plan was to leave Parson 1 on 1.

3.) Communication. No way did they as a unit not work on stunts during the pre-season or last week in practice. It's a common move in the NFL. I think a lot of times it came down to communication between linemen. 

[JiFtheOracle]

6 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Your right Parsons is a beast but when I see him running untouched through the center of our line with not one player even near him that's a problem. Its also a problem when we had film from the Giants game and he ran the same exact stunts on us and we didn't even account for him .

if you get physically beat and finessed by Parsons one on one that's understandable since I'm not sure anyone can block him but to let him run through holes like he was doing and not adjust or even worse run an empty backfield with a QB that notoriously holds the football too long is just compounding the situation. He does not need any help but we certainly gave it too him.

I dont disagree but I'm sure the coaching staff tried to prepare for him the best they could and I'm sure they felt good enough about their plan and then as Tyson once said, they got punched in the mouth literally on the opening play. 

What I dont know, which would be somewhat interesting to find out is who jobs was it to call him out/who was making the adjustments?  Was it Zach?  Was it McGovern?  Obviously a challenge w/ stopping Micah is you cant prepare for him to be in the same spot every snap, so I'm sure someone was in charge of calls but who?  Because you're right, there was a lot of free lanes...some of that just beast mode sh*t you cant stop...and definitely what looked like some miscommunications and silly play calls but also, they werent blitzing...it was just stunts and Lawrence aint no slouch.  I think they just got bitch slapped.  sh*t happens.  They werent the first, they wont be the last. 

[Smashmouth]

8 minutes ago, bgivs21 said:

There's definitely a few things at work during that Cowboys game but I'm willing to wait to see if they straighten it out. Last year was similar, OL struggled early then they put it together until AVT got hurt. 

1.) Poor personnel decisions. First play you run left behind Uzoma, Brown and Tomlinson. You're weakest links. 

2.) Seems some of the game plan was to leave Parson 1 on 1.

3.) Communication. No way did they as a unit not work on stunts during the pre-season or last week in practice. It's a common move in the NFL. I think a lot of times it came down to communication between linemen. 

yeah I agree usually takes some time for the Line to gel and its why I mentioned it taking at least 4 weeks for them to get on the same page like last year before the injuries. 

Biggest issue I had was how we left gaping holes for Parsons to exploit without even getting a player near him.

Also yes 100 % we should have been pounding the sh*t out of the right side with our best lineman and Ruckert and it should have been happening from the first play of the game.

[Barry McCockinner]

12 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Your right Parsons is a beast but when I see him running untouched through the center of our line with not one player even near him that's a problem. Its also a problem when we had film from the Giants game and he ran the same exact stunts on us and we didn't even account for him .

if you get physically beat and finessed by Parsons one on one that's understandable since I'm not sure anyone can block him but to let him run through holes like he was doing and not adjust or even worse run an empty backfield with a QB that notoriously holds the football too long is just compounding the situation. He does not need any help but we certainly gave it too him.

yup. Parsons being a beast is no excuse for the lack of plan to try to slow him down. Dude was just running wild with 1 vs 1 situations all game or like you pointed out stunting into unblocked areas. It's like the Jets just treated him as a run of the mill defender and focused on other areas. He is the guy you need to plan for against D. If they beat you with someone else so be it but you better have a plan for #11 and it sure as F looked like we didn't.

[Smashmouth]

12 minutes ago, JiF said:

I dont disagree but I'm sure the coaching staff tried to prepare for him the best they could and I'm sure they felt good enough about their plan and then as Tyson once said, they got punched in the mouth literally on the opening play. 

What I dont know, which would be somewhat interesting to find out is who jobs was it to call him out/who was making the adjustments?  Was it Zach?  Was it McGovern?  Obviously a challenge w/ stopping Micah is you cant prepare for him to be in the same spot every snap, so I'm sure someone was in charge of calls but who?  Because you're right, there was a lot of free lanes...some of that just beast mode sh*t you cant stop...and definitely what looked like some miscommunications and silly play calls but also, they werent blitzing...it was just stunts and Lawrence aint no slouch.  I think they just got bitch slapped.  sh*t happens.  They werent the first, they wont be the last. 

Oh yeah they got bitch slapped and no matter the calls we would have been at a disadvantage vs that DL. 

Yes I would like to know who was calling out those protections. My biggest issue was with McGovern when he should have had his head on a swivel waiting for a stunt he just decided to put his head down and block a guy who was already being handled by AVT that's just really dumb football IMHO. If McGovern holds his ground he at the very least could have misdirected Parsons buying a second or 2 for Wilson. This should have been beaten into his head during a week of prep for that stunt and I guess we can never be sure who was fully at fault but there is a good reason by guys like Bill Callahan consistently produce top level OL's .

If it were up to me I would give Tiippman the start at center move someone over to LG and get Tomlinson the hell off that line. Maybe see if McGovern grades out better at LG and use him 

[Smashmouth]

34 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Hell of a contribution brotha 😛

 

[peekskill68]

17 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Also yes 100 % we should have been pounding the sh*t out of the right side with our best lineman and Ruckert and it should have been happening from the first play of the game.

I thought I read somewhere that we ran only two times behind AVT and Becton, both Breece Hall, both 6 yd gains.  I just can't fathom why he only got 4 carries and why we seemed to constantly call runs behind Brown and Tomlinson...

[bonkertons]

47 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Conor McGovern isnt even a backup level talent.  He is awful.

Put in Tippy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Tippy" is never going to stick, no matter how often you try to beat it down our throats.  "Tipp" is 1000000000x better as a nickname.  How can you not see this?

[Smashmouth]

12 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

I thought I read somewhere that we ran only two times behind AVT and Becton, both Breece Hall, both 6 yd gains.  I just can't fathom why he only got 4 carries and why we seemed to constantly call runs behind Brown and Tomlinson...

From a coaching standpoint that is disgraceful. Arguably the strength of our team Running behind those guys and we ran it twice . 

[rangerous]

1 hour ago, Smashmouth said:

I watched the Film on the OL and what really turned out to be the biggest mistake was the interior line not being prepared for Parsons. It was obvious during the Giants game that Parsons was stunting a lot. He would line up outside and stunt over the Center.  Now what was alarming was that numerous times during the game we had Guards and the Center with literally no one on them and they were standing in space and rather than knowing where Parsons was or looking for him they decided to go and double team a player that was already easily blocked creating the huge holes Parsons was running through to get to the QB. 

How this was not pointed out not only during a week of preparation but at halftime is criminal. Every offensive lineman should have went up to that line knowing exactly were Parsons was and if they were left without a player to block due to a stunt they should have instantly been looking Parsons way rather than double teaming already blocked players and leaving the middle of the line completely exposed for Parsons who was ready and waiting patiently. 

This had to be just piss poor coaching and preparation. This OL is Horrible at helping each other out and Tomlinson and McGovern are the biggest offenders. They are just not playing good at all head to head or in situations where they are supposed to be helping out. A good OL coach is a must and I think Keith Carter just sucks. If a guy like Bill Callahan (Jets 09) was coaching this line a guy I wanted us to hire as OC this would have been a much different game.

IMO if you are playing center or guard and have no one to block your head should be on a swivel prepared to block anyone stunting to your area NOT double teaming mindlessly leaving your QB wide open as he tries to step up into the pocket.

Yes it takes time for an OL to Gel sometimes 4 + games but these guys just seemed out of touch and I blame a lot of that on coaching and Keith Carter

Good points but the cowgirls were also rushing four and the oline was confused as to who to block.  They should’ve paid more attention to parsons. I don’t know if they really stopped him once and they sure didn’t double him.

[Jetkwondo]

1 hour ago, peekskill68 said:

I thought I read somewhere that we ran only two times behind AVT and Becton, both Breece Hall, both 6 yd gains.  I just can't fathom why he only got 4 carries and why we seemed to constantly call runs behind Brown and Tomlinson...

Re-watched the game and after those gains and a few loss of yds carries I noticed they started early mixing in Cook on the limited series they had. Then they tried a few screens to Breece late in the game that were broken up by the pass rush. Dallas just out played them and controlled the time of Poss. which forced passing late and limited carries... 

I expect Breece will be used heavily on Sunday though Belichick should have a plan for that as I believe he will prioritize him over Garrett.  Hope Hackett gets creative early without abandoning the run as Dallas just did to us. Maybe throw Izzy out there as a  backup wild card like Dallas used Dowdle & Vaughn... 

[Ken Schroy]

2 hours ago, Beerfish said:

The Jets as a team whether it be offensive or defensive coaches have a history of not paying special attention to the other teams best player and letting them beat you.

It seems somewhat arrogant to have this mentality as a CS that says "we ain't changing what we want to do because of player X".

[thebuzzardman]

Jets hired a meatneck as GM, headcoach and defensive coordinator and are getting meatneck results. 

 

 

[frankiepapa]

Didn't want to create a different thread but apparently Duane Brown is not practicing today.. not sure what injury he might have... wonder how that impacts the o-line

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[Integrity28]

2 hours ago, bonkertons said:

"Tippy" is never going to stick, no matter how often you try to beat it down our throats.  "Tipp" is 1000000000x better as a nickname.  How can you not see this?

I’m in the Tippy Longstocking camp. Also, in the he’ll be a bust camp. When the entire organization fawns about his bend and nothing else, it just has that “off-platform throws” and no other substance vibe.

[Ron Rico]

I think it's safe to say that our coaches don't coach very well.

[Integrity28]

2 minutes ago, thebuzzardman said:

Jets hired a meatneck as GM, headcoach and defensive coordinator and are getting meatneck results. 

 

 

I don’t think this is the issue. I mean, Detroit is thriving for a similar meatneck hire. It’s more about the capacity to do the job, not the style in which it’s done. 

 

[Ron Rico]

1 minute ago, Integrity28 said:

I don’t think this is the issue. I mean, Detroit is thriving for a similar meatneck hire. It’s more about the capacity to do the job, not the style in which it’s done. 

 

Ben Johnson is a huge upgrade over Anthony Lynn as OC and Aaron Glenn is doing a stellar job as DC. 

[Integrity28]

Just now, Ron Rico said:

Ben Johnson is a huge upgrade over Anthony Lynn as OC and Aaron Glenn is doing a stellar job as DC. 

Yeah, Campbell hired the best people he could. Saleh hired friends and/or a guy to lure Rodgers.

I mean… we talked about this last year on JN.

[hmhertz]

Baldies Saleh & Douglas plan to improve the coaching of

one of the worst offenses in the league was to hire Hackett and Carter

nuff said

[Vader]

Parsons should have been triple teamed every play

[Irish Jet]

McGovern has been an ever present one of the most awful lines in the league for interior pressure since arriving and still people swear he’s not a problem. Free rushers galore.

[thebuzzardman]

2 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

I don’t think this is the issue. I mean, Detroit is thriving for a similar meatneck hire. It’s more about the capacity to do the job, not the style in which it’s done. 

 

Ok. Jets hired the meatheads instead of meatnecks.

[56mehl56]

3 hours ago, frankiepapa said:

Didn't want to create a different thread but apparently Duane Brown is not practicing today.. not sure what injury he might have... wonder how that impacts the o-line

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Bruised ego . 

[Sperm Edwards]

5 hours ago, bonkertons said:

"Tippy" is never going to stick, no matter how often you try to beat it down our throats.  "Tipp" is 1000000000x better as a nickname.  How can you not see this?

"JustTheTipp"

How can you not see this?  

[DJF71]

3 hours ago, frankiepapa said:

Didn't want to create a different thread but apparently Duane Brown is not practicing today.. not sure what injury he might have... wonder how that impacts the o-line

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Just need Tomlinson to go down and we will be set. 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

There is a clip of Parsons lining up directly over center and basically taunting McGovern and the iOL.

He is doing a some kind of stupid dance presnap.

After the snap, he brushes past McGovern into ZW's grill as if he's not even there.

[hungry jackson]

4 hours ago, thebuzzardman said:

Jets hired a meatneck as GM, headcoach and defensive coordinator and are getting meatneck results. 

 

 

IT'S MEAT HEAD silly !!!