Joshua Dobbs

[Jetsfan80]

Dobbs' #'s against Dallas this week (28-16 win):

• 17-21 (81 %), 189 yards, 9.2 YPA, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 120.0 QB Rating (plus 6 carries for 55 yards)

 

Zach Wilson's #'s against Dallas last week (30-10 loss):

• 12-27 (44.4 %), 170 yards, 6.3 YPA, 1 TD, 3 INTs, 38.1 QB Rating (plus 5 carries for 36 yards)

 

Dobbs' #'s on the season:

• 59-82 (72 %), 549 yards, 6.7 YPA, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 98.1 QB Rating

 

Wilson's #'s on the season:

• 44-84 (54.9 %), 467 yards, 5.6 YPA, 2 TDs, 4 INTs, 57.0 QB Rating

 

 

Dobbs is a 2018 4th round pick on his 5th different team (PIT, CLE, DET, TEN, AZ) in 3 seasons.  His current one was supposedly tanking based on their actions (or inaction) all Summer.  And Dobbs had only started 2 games his whole career prior to 2023.

Yet Saleh, and presumably Douglas, haven't added a 3rd QB and are committing to Zach Wilson for the foreseeable future at least until they can maybe work out a trade for a real QB?   

Wtf are we doing here folks?

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

We’re clearly tanking for draft position. No other explanation to keep trotting out Zach Wilson on the field. He all but gaurentees us a loss 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

We’re clearly tanking for draft position. No other explanation to keep trotting out Zach Wilson on the field. He all but gaurentees us a loss 

We started the season with a divisional win and a real QB, or even a subpar one, wins yesterday's game by double digits.  Tanking can't be an option.  Complete slap in the face to this roster. 

The mutiny already started on the sidelines last week (as I and several others predicted it would).  This front office and coaching staff can't just sit on their hands and let it happen for another 14 weeks.

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

We started the season with a divisional win and a real QB, or even a subpar one, wins yesterday's game by double digits.  Tanking can't be an option.  Complete slap in the face to this roster. 

The mutiny already started on the sidelines last week (as I and several others predicted it would).  This front office and coaching staff can't just sit on their hands and let it happen for another 14 weeks.

Only other explanation I can think of is that saleh and JD are totally inept. Seemed like saleh knows ZW is trash. Not sure why they don’t sign wentz. 

[RevisIsland610]

4 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

We’re clearly tanking for draft position. No other explanation to keep trotting out Zach Wilson on the field. He all but gaurentees us a loss 

Tanking my ass. They have a good roster and were 1-1 with a completely winnable division game at home ahead of them. The coach and the GM are fing idiots to keep starting Wilson and not bring anybody in. That's the explanation. 

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Only other explanation I can think of is that saleh and JD are totally inept. Seemed like saleh knows ZW is trash. Not sure why they don’t sign wentz. 

I think Saleh saying Wilson gives them the "best chance to win" is a shot across the bow at either Woody and/or Douglas for not adding any other QBs. 

When your alternative is Tim Boyle it becomes easier to say with a straight face that among the current QB options Wilson is the one to go with.  It's still wrong, but it's easier to say it....

There was no excuse for the Jets not to work out and add a 3rd QB days after the Buffalo opener.  None.  This is on Douglas more than Saleh.  And potentially with some meddling by Woody.

 

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

How many times did jets go 3 and out? I think it was 7. In 2023 you have to try hard to be this bad. The worst of teams can atleast move the ball

[static14]

Just now, RevisIsland610 said:

Tanking my ass. They have a good roster and were 1-1 with a completely winnable division game at home ahead of them. The coach and the GM are fing idiots to keep starting Wilson and not bring anybody in. That's the explanation. 

They're either tanking, or there's something going on behind the scenes with Minnesota. 

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I think Saleh saying Wilson gives them the "best chance to win" is show across the bow at either Woody and/or Douglas for not adding any other QBs. 

When your alternative is Tim Boyle it becomes easier to say with a straight face that among the current QB options Wilson is the one to go with.  It's still wrong, but it's easier to say it....

I’ll take Boyle. Anyone but ZW

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

How many times did jets go 3 and out? I think it was 7. In 2023 you have to try hard to be this bad. The worst of teams can atleast move the ball

When folks tried to defend Wilson's 3 INTs vs Dallas I pointed out that Wilson-led offense had four 3-and-outs before he ever threw a pick.

It got dismissed by many here because Defense and O-Line.....of course.

[Beerfish]

Zona traded or got rid of all their QBs and then used a low pick for this guy in a total tanking move and he is their starter a week later and looks good.

There are a lot of QBs who would be much better for the Jets but Saleh and Douglas are morons.  They are going to wait until we are like 1-6

I will also say that we are screwed to some extent no matter what because hackett is the worst oc in the league.

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

I’ll take Boyle. Anyone but ZW

Yep fully.  I would much rather see Boyle.  Just noting that when Saleh has to choose between Wilson and Boyle, his quote doesn't suggest he sees anything positive in Wilson, and that he may well be yelling for a new QB behind the scenes, lol.  

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

When folks tried to defend Wilson's 3 INTs vs Dallas I pointed out that Wilson-led offense had four 3-and-outs before he ever threw a pick.

It got dismissed by many here because Defense and O-Line.....of course.

Anyone left defending ZW at this point is just a delusional blind homer.  ZW doesn’t even look like he wants to be on the field 

[dbatesman]

3 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

How many times did jets go 3 and out? I think it was 7. In 2023 you have to try hard to be this bad. The worst of teams can atleast move the ball

It's effectively impossible to do in the modern NFL, but other than the Fitz year, we've had bottom-5 quarterback play for how many consecutive seasons now? Twelve? Thirteen?

[Barkus]

Zach is non-functional again. Any nfl qb would be better than him, including Dobbs. Have to draft qb every year so there is always an option in the pipeline. Best case, you could get lucky and find a purdy or at least a cheap functional back up like Dobbs or mike white.

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Anyone left defending ZW at this point is just a delusional blind homer.  ZW doesn’t even look like he wants to be on the field 

He doesn't.  2nd high pick Douglas used on a guy who seems to not like football all that much.  Though at least Becton did his job for the most part yesterday.

[dbatesman]

1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

I will also say that we are screwed to some extent no matter what because hackett is the worst oc in the league.

Really we're screwed because Hackett is an idiot and Saleh is an idiot and Douglas is an idiot, but mostly we're screwed because none of them is going anywhere.

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, Barkus said:

Zach is non-functional again. Any nfl qb would be better than him, including Dobbs. Have to draft qb every year so there is always an option in the pipeline. Best case, you could get lucky and find a purdy or at least a cheap functional back up like Dobbs or mike white.

Yep.  There was no reason not to add to the QB room in addition to Rodgers.  Boyle should have only been here to install the offense and then someone else should have been the QB2, with Wilson as the QB3.  

@jgb and I yelled about this all offseason and yet here we are....

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, dbatesman said:

Really we're screwed because Hackett is an idiot and Saleh is an idiot and Douglas is an idiot, but mostly we're screwed because none of them is going anywhere.

Well let's face it.  Whoever Woody hires as Douglas' replacement will be worse.  Probably another Maccagnan.

I can no longer defend Douglas but I also can't support moving on from him.  Welcome to NFL purgatory.

[RevisIsland610]

8 minutes ago, static14 said:

They're either tanking, or there's something going on behind the scenes with Minnesota. 

They were 1-1 overall and 1-0 in the division with a very winnable divisional game at home against an 0-2 team. Why the hell would they tank so early? It makes no sense. The real reason is that the GM and coach are clueless clowns. 

[dbatesman]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

Well let's face it.  Whoever Woody hires as Douglas' replacement will be worse.  Probably another Maccagnan.

I can no longer defend Douglas but I also can't support moving on from him.  Welcome to NFL purgatory.

I'd support moving on purely for novelty purposes. Four seasons of this crap is enough. Bring on the next load of crap and we'll see how it smells.

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

I'd support moving on purely for novelty purposes. Four seasons of this crap is enough. Bring on the next load of crap and we'll see how it smells.

Like Maccagnan.  It will smell like Maccagnan. 

[dbatesman]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

Like Maccagnan.  It will smell like Maccagnan. 

So...coffee and shame?

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, dbatesman said:

So...coffee and shame?

Don't forget about cupcakes.  Maccagnan's mode of choice for enticing free agents to sign.

[dbatesman]

6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Don't forget about cupcakes.  Maccagnan's mode of choice for enticing free agents to sign.

Man, I had forgotten about this. And like half the board thought he was the best GM in the league. What a time to be alive

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, dbatesman said:

Man, I had forgotten about this. And like half the board thought he was the best GM in the league. What a time to be alive

Half is a bit much.  Probably a contingent of a vocal minority of about 15-20 %, led by @Pac.

[ScarletKnight89]

Saleh and Douglas are lost and we are at the point now where they are going to have to be fired. They won't move on from this awful QB. I'm guessing they know with Rodgers coming back next year that their jobs are safe. It's the only thing that can explain the lack of urgency to add a QB.

The Jaguars game last year should have been the end of Zach Wilson as a New York Jet. He should have been traded for scraps in the off season or simply made the 3rd string QB until his contract ran out. They insisted on keeping him on the roster as "Rodgers understudy" in order to dress up their mistake. Then Rodgers got hurt and now this guy has to play and we all know he can't. So here we are again, going through another season with Zach Wilson set to be the QB for the majority of it. 

It was bad enough they made him the backup. They got bit in the ass with that right away by Rodgers getting hurt. But they should have admitted their second mistake with Zach Wilson the Tuesday morning after Rodgers got hurt and started working out veteran QB's to bring in here. They didn't, and up until now they have not. Totally unacceptable.

Every QB the Jets have used dating back to 2021 has looked better or no worse than Zach Wilson. Mike White looked better, and is better. Josh Johnson looked better. Joe Flacco looked better. I bet Tim Boyle will look better when he is inevitably forced into a game because it gets to the point where Zach Wilson can not take another snap for this team. Just like last year when it got so ugly against the Jaguars he had to be pulled for Strevler.

I do not understand what the obsession is with Zach Wilson with this GM and HC at this point. I don't even care about Zach Wilson anymore. I'm now just mad at Saleh and Douglas for making me watch him. The idea that they are going to keep throwing this guy out there is a fireable offense in my opinion. Even with the Jets not signing a backup QB this off season, if they were at least trying to figure things out right now at the QB position, I would be understanding of the unfortunate situation they were put in due to the Rodgers injury 4 plays into the season. But it's this idea that Zach Wilson isn't the reason they lose, and that he is going to be given more starts that drives me crazy. 

I'm tired of hearing about Zach Wilson, his confidence, and his mentality going into games. 

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

Saleh and Douglas are lost and we are at the point now where they are going to have to be fired. They won't move on from this awful QB. I'm guessing they know with Rodgers coming back next year that their job are safe. It's the only thing that can explain the lack of urgency to add a QB.

The Jaguars game last year should have been the end of Zach Wilson as a New York Jet. He should have been traded for scraps in the off season or simply made the 3rd string QB until his contract ran out. They insisted on keeping him on the roster as "Rodgers understudy" in order to dress up their mistake. Then Rodgers got hurt and now this guy has to play and we all know he can't. So here we are again, going through another season with Zach Wilson set to be the QB for the majority of it. 

It was bad enough they made him the backup. They got bit in the ass with that right away by Rodgers getting hurt. But they should have admitted their second mistake with Zach Wilson the Tuesday morning after Rodgers got hurt and started working out veteran QB's to bring in here. They didn't, and up until now they have not. Totally unacceptable.

Every QB the Jets have used dating back to 2021 has looked better or no worse than Zach Wilson. Mike White looked better, and is better. Josh Johnson looked better. Joe Flacco looked better. I bet Tim Boyle will look better when he is inevitably forced into a game because it gets to the point where Zach Wilson can not take another snap for this team. Just like last year when it got so ugly against the Jaguars he had to be pulled for Strevler.

I do not understand what the obsession is with Zach Wilson with this GM and HC at this point. I don't even care about Zach Wilson anymore. I'm now just mad at Saleh and Douglas for making me watch him. The idea that they are going to keep throwing this guy out there is a fireable offense in my opinion. Even with the Jets not signing a backup QB this off season, if they were at least trying to figure things out right now at the QB position, I would be understanding of the unfortunate situation they were put in due to the Rodgers injury 4 plays into the season. But it's this idea that Zach Wilson isn't the reason they lose, and that he is going to be given more starts that drives me crazy. 

I'm tired of hearing about Zach Wilson, his confidence, and his mentality going into games. 

 

[Jetsfan80]

Like seriously, Wtf are we doing people.  How has a 3rd QB not been added to the roster 3 weeks ago?  

[sec101row23]

This regime had the chance to rid themselves of Zach as soon as they traded for Aaron.   They were foolish and arrogant in not wanting to admit their mistake in drafting Zach, and tried selling some fairy tale that Zach will somehow turn into a franchise QB by osmosis in watching Aaron.   Now that will probably cost them their jobs.   
 

 

[Biggs]

15 hours ago, static14 said:

They're either tanking, or there's something going on behind the scenes with Minnesota. 

Behind the scenes Joe Douglas is bent over a table.  

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, sec101row23 said:

This regime had the chance to rid themselves of Zach as soon as they traded for Aaron.   They were foolish and arrogant in not wanting to admit their mistake in drafting Zach, and tried selling some fairy tale that Zach will somehow turn into a franchise QB by osmosis in watching Aaron.   Now that will probably cost them their jobs.   
 

 

They didn't even have to get rid of Zach.  Just demote him to the project QB3 spot.  That's it.  All they had to do.  Demote him and acquire a warm body of a QB2.

Boyle was brought in in part to install the offense until Rodgers arrived.  His usefulness ended at that point.  It makes no f**king sense why these 2 are the only QBs on the roster STILL.

[August]

Must be a bigger issue why they’re committing to Zach. They’re not fooling anyone with these statements. 

[Rich Thornburgh]

18 hours ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

We’re clearly tanking for draft position. No other explanation to keep trotting out Zach Wilson on the field. He all but gaurentees us a loss 

I just picked up Denver D in fantasy and they just gave up 70 points in a game the other day

 

Zach is fantasy defense GOLD

[Rich Thornburgh]

53 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

They didn't even have to get rid of Zach.  Just demote him to the project QB3 spot.  That's it.  All they had to do.  Demote him and acquire a warm body of a QB2.

Boyle was brought in in part to install the offense until Rodgers arrived.  His usefulness ended at that point.  It makes no f**king sense why these 2 are the only QBs on the roster STILL.

Ofcourse.  People were screaming this for 6 f’ing months before the season.  Get a different backup qb.  Precious Zach can still be on the roster as the Goddamned ball boy.  If Rodgers goes down Zach cannot be the qb again it’s suicidal