Team Loss

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

Zach Wilson is horrible and should never ever take another snap as Jets QB. With that out of the way, yesterday's game was a team loss. The play calling was horrific.  At least run an NFL offense and not one from the 1940s.  And the personnel decisions are baffling. Where are Hardman, McDonald, Rucker, and Izzy?  The Cook signing was a total waste of money.

And the defense was not good either. This was a total repeat of last season. People say the Jets defense is elite, but elite defenses get sacks and turnovers. Yesterday the Jets defense had no sacks and no turnover.  They had 1 sack and no turnovers last week vs Dallas.  So this "epic" defense has 1 big play in two games - one measly sack.  They didn't even flip the field for the offense with timely stops.  And they let NE convert 3rd downs at a 50% rate when this was still a game.  The only times the Jets had good field position was when NE missed two long FGs. A good or elite defense gives the offense a few short fields a game. This defense did not, again.  The same thing happened last season during the 7 game losing streak. The defense had few sacks and no turnovers during that stretch.  Bend but don't break is not elite.  Either is holding teams to FGs.  Great defenses turn the ball over and pin bad offenses deep in their own end. Great defenses sack the QB on 3rd down.  This defense does none of that. This team needs a complete overhaul, from QB to the OL to the schemes to the coaches and the GM. I'm done with this regime.

[Barry McCockinner]

It's the QB.

[Barry McCockinner]

The defense gave up 13 damn points, 7 of which came on a broken play and the offense was going 3 and out all day.

It's Zach Wilson.

It's the QB.

He's dysfunctional and negatively impacts everyone else. c'mon guys.

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

The defense gave up 13 damn points, 7 of which came on a broken play and the offense was going 3 and out all day.

It's Zach Wilson.

It's the QB.

He's dysfunctional and negatively effects everyone else. c'mon guys.

Indeed.  Good QBs lift their teams up from time to time.  Zach Wilson is a net negative in all but like 1-2 starts his entire career.

The team kept fighting thru Zach's ineptitude yesterday.  They did more than I could have hoped.  

The mutiny began and it will continue next week.  And some here will blame the rest of the roster even harder as a result.

Zach f**king sucks.  Get.  Someone.  New.

[Biggs]

3 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

The defense gave up 13 damn points, 7 of which came on a broken play and the offense was going 3 and out all day.

It's Zach Wilson.

It's the QB.

He's dysfunctional and negatively impacts everyone else. c'mon guys.

They missed 2 field goals on high snaps and clearly weren't playing with any sense of urgency down the stretch.  They gave up enough points for a bad offensive team to take their foot off the gas completely.  

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, Biggs said:

They missed 2 field goals on high snaps and clearly weren't playing with any sense of urgency down the stretch.  They gave up enough points for a bad offensive team to take their foot of the gas completely.  

Zach Wilson produced 10 points of offense, had 7 three-and-outs that put the D back on the field repeatedly, and handed the opposition a Safety, yet there are some here really blaming the D for not holding an opponent to single digits.  In the NFL.  In 2023.  When the Miami Dolphins scored 70 f**king points on the same day.

Come.  On.  

[FactsOnly]

Zach Wilson has been handcuffed by this coaching staff

[Greg555]

Bad QB play aside, I’m very down on Hackett so far. O is moribund..in part because it’s so predictable.  Better QB play is essential..obviously..but are we just helpless against stacked fronts?   O will put up some points vs the Chiefs..but obviously not enough to win.  31-17…. 1-3.  Can beat Denver..maybe..but we’re staring at 2-4 at best now…at the bye.

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

Zach Wilson has been handcuffed by this coaching staff

You were wrong.  Own it.  He's handcuffed for a reason.  Because he can't do ANYTHING so might as well try to have him to do as little as possible.  When you take the handcuffs off, he throws 3 picks.

Your neg rep pal from the last few weeks @Reasonable Jets Fan finally had his come to Jesus moment and has come over to the right side.  Why can't you?

[Darnold's Forehead]

6 minutes ago, Biggs said:

They missed 2 field goals on high snaps and clearly weren't playing with any sense of urgency down the stretch.  They gave up enough points for a bad offensive team to take their foot off the gas completely.  

Pure conjecture.  Stop rationalizing.  It's disgusting honestly.

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, Greg555 said:

Bad QB play aside

Bad QB play?

Bad?

There is hardly a word in existence strong enough to describe how awful Zach Wilson is, and yet you go with "bad"?

[Biggs]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Zach Wilson produced 10 points of offense, had 7 three-and-outs that put the D back on the field repeatedly, and handed the opposition a Safety, yet there are some here really blaming the D for not holding an opponent to single digits.  In the NFL.  In 2023.  When the Miami Dolphins scored 70 f**king points on the same day.

Come.  On.  

You failed to mention that Becton completely whiffed on a block that caused the safety.  Week 3 5 teams were held to under 13 points.  3 teams in week 2,  6 in week 1.  

Not blaming the D.  Just saying the Jets couldn't score the Pats didn't need to score.  That's different than saying the Jets score more points the Pats don't score more points.  You're making an assumption the D was the reason the Pats didn't score that many points.  

I saw a bad Pats d that moved the ball when they had to, missed two makeable FG because of bad snaps and basically controlled field position.  No turnovers, no massive pass rush that caused the Pats to give up a lot of field position.  A nice defensive game.  Not a great defensive game.

[Biggs]

5 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said:

Pure conjecture.  Stop rationalizing.  It's disgusting honestly.

Disgusting?  Putting your comment which was insane because I didn't blame Zach enough for your POV aside.  I've been watching sports of all kinds for decades.  Games have a natural ebb and flow.  At no time in that game did the Pats look like they were being threatened and acting with a sense of urgency.

You realize that Zach can't play QB.  Hackett can't coach an O and yet you think teams don't know that.

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Biggs said:

You failed to mention that Becton completely whiffed on a block that caused the safety.  Week 3 5 teams were held to under 13 points.  3 teams in week 2,  6 in week 1.  

Dude.  You can make excuses for Zach every week but at every turn he's either been the BIGGEST problem or a top 3 problem in any given week.  Who gives a sh*t about everyone else when that's the case?

As I said in another thread:  Some here have been screaming about beating dead horses and making excuses for Zach at every turn when there was hardly any good reason to.  Today, there is not ONE good reason to defend Zach Wilson.  Not one. 

Later in the week feel free to direct your ire to others on the roster and maybe I'll read it and respond.  Not today.  Today is crow-eating time for those who obnoxiously defended one of the 1-2 worst QBs (with 17+ starts) the game has ever seen.

[Jetsfan80]

Oh and not to mention it always seems to be a "team loss" when the team loses.

Yet when the Jets win, it was all about "ZACH IS 5-2!!!"

Shut up.  Just....Shut.  The f**k.  Up.  Everyone who is in that camp.  Shut up.  You have no leg to stand on any longer.  It's over.  Just stop.

[sciond]

You guys really think its the QB?

It took 3 years?

[Biggs]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Dude.  You can make excuses for Zach every week but at every turn he's either been the BIGGEST problem or a top 3 problem in any given week.  Who gives a sh*t about everyone else when that's the case?

As I said in another thread:  Some here have been screaming about beating dead horses and making excuses for Zach at every turn when there was hardly any good reason to.  Today, there is not ONE good reason to defend Zach Wilson.  Not one. 

Later in the week feel free to direct your ire to others on the roster and maybe I'll read it and respond.  Not today.  Today is crow-eating time for those who obnoxiously defended one of the 1-2 worst QBs (with 17+ starts) the game has ever seen.

Dude.  How can you be so niave.  Zach was awful.  You think the Pats didn't know it?  I didn't put him out there.  JD and Saleh did.  He obviously can't play NFL QB as a starter or a backup at this point.  Everyone knows it including the opposition who actually studies this all week. 

[Jetsfan80]

13 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Disgusting?  Putting your comment which was insane because I didn't blame Zach enough for your POV aside.  I've been watching sports of all kinds for decades.  Games have a natural ebb and flow.  At no time in that game did the Pats look like they were being threatened and acting with a sense of urgency.

You realize that Zach can't play QB.  Hackett can't coach an O and yet you think teams don't know that.

 

8 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Dude.  How can you be so niave.  Zach was awful.  You think the Pats didn't know it?  I didn't put him out there.  JD and Saleh did.  He obviously can't play NFL QB as a starter or a backup at this point.  Everyone knows it including the opposition who actually studies this all week. 

 

Whether Hackett can coach or not, no OC can effectively gameplan around a QB as limited as Zach Wilson. 

So exactly what are you trying to say at this point?  That Hackett did a poor job with an offense that is impossible to run?  OK?  We agree?

[Darnold's Forehead]

8 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Disgusting?  Putting your comment which was insane because I didn't blame Zach enough for your POV aside.  I've been watching sports of all kinds for decades.  Games have a natural ebb and flow.  At no time in that game did the Pats look like they were being threatened and acting with a sense of urgency.

You realize that Zach can't play QB.  Hackett can't coach an O and yet you think teams don't know that.

You complained about the defense out of everything yesterday, using it as some point against Zach being the #1 problem.  I do find that disgusting.

I have no idea what your last statement is about.  Zach can't play QB.  Correct.  That is the #1 issue.  End of story.

[Biggs]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

 

Whether Hackett can coach or not, no OC can effectively gameplan around a QB as limited as Zach Wilson. 

So exactly what are you trying to say at this point?  That Hackett did a poor job with an offense that is impossible to run?  OK?  We agree?

We agree on everything except I don't think the D is elite and you maybe do.  I think the Pats watched tape all week and after a half were on total cruise control on O.  They had no urgency on O.  

[Biggs]

3 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said:

You complained about the defense out of everything yesterday, using it as some point against Zach being the #1 problem.  I do find that disgusting.

I have no idea what your last statement is about.  Zach can't play QB.  Correct.  That is the #1 issue.  End of story.

I can't blame you for a low IQ.   

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Biggs said:

We agree on everything except I don't think the D is elite and you maybe do.  I think the Pats watched tape all week and after a half were on total cruise control on O.  They had no urgency on O.  

As they should.  Belichick owns Zach Wilson.  OWNS him.  And any QB like him.  He knew he just needed Zach to make that crucial mistake or 2, which he would, and it was over.  Why play that game in any other way?

Hackett wasn't here when Zach went 0-4 in miserable fashion against Belichick from 2021-22.  Was he to blame for those games too?

[Biggs]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

As they should.  Belichick owns Zach Wilson.  OWNS him.  And any QB like him.  He knew he just needed Zach to make that crucial mistake or 2, which he would, and it was over.  Why play that game in any other way?

Hackett wasn't here when Zach went 0-4 in miserable fashion against Belichick from 2021-22.  Was he to blame for those games too?

In another couple of weeks Shawn Payton might make Hackett look like a genius. 

[Darnold's Forehead]

3 minutes ago, Biggs said:

I can't blame you for a low IQ.   

You say you've watched sports for decades yet you argue like an adolescent.

[TuscanyTile2]

33 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

Zach Wilson has been handcuffed by this coaching staff

I think ZW stunk yesterday but I agree that the CS did him absolutely no favors.  Romo kept calling for them to throw on 1st down (which I don't think they did for the entire 1st half).  Ruckert barely got on the field again.  There were no trick plays of any sort.  I loved the Pats play call when they were trying to get one 1st down to run out the clock.  Instead of running the ball into the line, they called a reverse.  They fell short by a yard or 2.

In general, I think our CS is below-average.  

[Biggs]

5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

As they should.  Belichick owns Zach Wilson.  OWNS him.  And any QB like him.  He knew he just needed Zach to make that crucial mistake or 2, which he would, and it was over.  Why play that game in any other way?

Hackett wasn't here when Zach went 0-4 in miserable fashion against Belichick from 2021-22.  Was he to blame for those games too?

I can actually feel your rage.  I'm so sick of lossing to the Pats and the way we lost to them last year in that second game after the bye killed me.  I was absolutely in rage that Saleh didn't pull Zach at halftime.  Yesterday was like a rinse/repeat.  The game was a bore to watch.  We lost again to the Pats.  The Pats don't look like a particularly good team.  Zach was absolutely out of control.  It was crazy to watch.  I literally couldn't believe I sat and watched the entire game.  And Saleh has the balls to gaslight the entire fan base and the team in his press confrence.  Believe me I get the anger. 

Zach doesn't belong on the field.  It's bat sh*t crazy to put him in.  I really don't get it.

And yes Hackett sucks.  

[Biggs]

2 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said:

You say you've watched sports for decades yet you argue like an adolescent.

If I wasn't an adolescent  I would have stopped watching the Jets decades ago.   What's your excuse?

 

[JetsFanatic]

Zach was terrible on Sunday. We win with better QB play. Amazing how Saleh sticks up for him. He and JD are culpable for not bringing in a veteran QB as the backup. If they thought some of Rodgers would rub off on Zach, than he should have been QB #3 on the roster.

[Ecuadorian Jet]

You have to remove the worst QB in the league first. Period. 

[#27TheDominator]

6 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I think ZW stunk yesterday but I agree that the CS did him absolutely no favors.  Romo kept calling for them to throw on 1st down (which I don't think they did for the entire 1st half).  Ruckert barely got on the field again.  There were no trick plays of any sort.  I loved the Pats play call when they were trying to get one 1st down to run out the clock.  Instead of running the ball into the line, they called a reverse.  They fell short by a yard or 2.

In general, I think our CS is below-average.  

They threw on 2 of 9 1st downs in the 1st half.  I think maybe what they saw is why they kept running.  The first play was a pass.  Complete!  For a 1 yards gain.  The other was a 12 yard loss on a sack.  The kid sucks and if they tell him yellow light, he eats the ball.  I described him to my friends as a guy who pulls the pin out of the grenade and then holds it until it goes off. 

Not sure why you liked that end around.  It was basically an admission by that scumbag that they could not run for a 1st and ice the game after the safety.  They ran that on 2nd and threw on 3rd, leaving us almost 2 minutes to try to score.  Unfortunately, Zach followed up the safety with three incompletions and then a mind numbing 2 yard pass to Conklin on 4th and 10. I am sure that was Hackett's play call to throw that ball to Conklin.

 

[TuscanyTile2]

3 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Not sure why you liked that end around.  It was basically an admission by that scumbag that they could not run for a 1st and ice the game after the safety. 

I liked it because it was an obvious running down but they found a creative way to run the ball (creating misdirection).  BB always has plays like that. 

[slimjasi]

53 minutes ago, Biggs said:

You failed to mention that Becton completely whiffed on a block that caused the safety.  Week 3 5 teams were held to under 13 points.  3 teams in week 2,  6 in week 1.  

Not blaming the D.  Just saying the Jets couldn't score the Pats didn't need to score.  That's different than saying the Jets score more points the Pats don't score more points.  You're making an assumption the D was the reason the Pats didn't score that many points.  

I saw a bad Pats d that moved the ball when they had to, missed two makeable FG because of bad snaps and basically controlled field position.  No turnovers, no massive pass rush that caused the Pats to give up a lot of field position.  A nice defensive game.  Not a great defensive game.

first of all, one of those kicks was 57 yards in bad conditions. 

Secondly, even if they made both kicks, they would have had 19 points worth of offense. 

you have to be able to score more than 19 points at home in a divisional game. 

 

[Joe W. Namath]

The defense is awful.  Week 1 was a charade.

[Gibby]

1 hour ago, sciond said:

You guys really think its the QB?

It took 3 years?