The answer is obvious

[JETS SB]

All of us watched the game on Sunday. I was out there in the rain. We watched an inept offense and a defense that couldnt get a sack or a takeaway. We can blame Zach. That's easy. He was bad. But is he the real problem? Zach clearly had one excellent drive in the 4th quarter. We played hurry up, from the gun, and he looked like a different guy, than we have seen for 3 years. Why are we making this guy into a 3 step, drop back passer, when his clear weakness is holding the ball too long, and that is solved, simply by putting him in the shotgun, quicker passes, etc? Sure the Pats were playing a soft defense, but still. He is so much better, when he has time and the O-line sucks. 

I am not saying it will completely cure the problem. Its not going to make him into a good QB. But, how do we watch that drive and not try to do this more often? 

This is a coaching problem. Yeah Zach sucks. But, we know what his limitations are and what his strengths are. Why are we not playing to his strengths?

[ultraJETfan]

You are completely clueless if you think Hackett and Zach can just replicate that drive whenever the hell they want. It was a fluke drive aided by a bullsh*te PI call. If not for the flag they kick a FG or blow the 4td down and turn it over. Get your head out of your ass. 

[docdhc]

1 hour ago, JETS SB said:

All of us watched the game on Sunday. I was out there in the rain. We watched an inept offense and a defense that couldnt get a sack or a takeaway. We can blame Zach. That's easy. He was bad. But is he the real problem? Zach clearly had one excellent drive in the 4th quarter. We played hurry up, from the gun, and he looked like a different guy, than we have seen for 3 years. Why are we making this guy into a 3 step, drop back passer, when his clear weakness is holding the ball too long, and that is solved, simply by putting him in the shotgun, quicker passes, etc? Sure the Pats were playing a soft defense, but still. He is so much better, when he has time and the O-line sucks. 

I am not saying it will completely cure the problem. Its not going to make him into a good QB. But, how do we watch that drive and not try to do this more often? 

This is a coaching problem. Yeah Zach sucks. But, we know what his limitations are and what his strengths are. Why are we not playing to his strengths?

No sacks or takeaways but still held them to 13 points. NFL average is 23 points. I saw a stat that if Jets scored 23 points a game they’d be 15-3 in last 18 games. It’s easy to blame Zach because he’s the real problem. So many 3 and outs, so many missed open receivers. I was hopeful he’d be better in his 3rd year but obviously he’s not. 

[doitny]

this is the 2nd OC Zach has had and he still sucks. 

but that is the norm around the league. fire the OC when the high draft pick QB sucks. 90% of the time its really the QB who was the problem. and we had great evidence of it last year when White and Flacco both did better than Zach in MILF offense.

and i bet if Boyle comes in he will look better too.

this is also the same as in the Pitt game last year where Zach was so bad for 3 qts then had a great 4th qt drive. 

with 90% of all QBs drafted in rd 1 are busts it still amazes me how some people think they can be fixed. Zach Wilson is so bad he is Johnny Manziel and Josh Rosen bad. he shouldnt even be on a NFL roster and when the Jets are done playing games with him he will be out of the NFL forever.

[Bugg]

2 hours ago, JETS SB said:

All of us watched the game on Sunday. I was out there in the rain. We watched an inept offense and a defense that couldnt get a sack or a takeaway. We can blame Zach. That's easy. He was bad. But is he the real problem? Zach clearly had one excellent drive in the 4th quarter. We played hurry up, from the gun, and he looked like a different guy, than we have seen for 3 years. Why are we making this guy into a 3 step, drop back passer, when his clear weakness is holding the ball too long, and that is solved, simply by putting him in the shotgun, quicker passes, etc? Sure the Pats were playing a soft defense, but still. He is so much better, when he has time and the O-line sucks. 

I am not saying it will completely cure the problem. Its not going to make him into a good QB. But, how do we watch that drive and not try to do this more often? 

This is a coaching problem. Yeah Zach sucks. But, we know what his limitations are and what his strengths are. Why are we not playing to his strengths?

Not buying it. How much of that was 4th quarter drive Belichick trading clock for yards? Teams facing the Jets are factoring all this in. So after 3 quarters of nothing, at the end of the day Wilson's numbers approach almost okay. You aren't winning  with 3 quarters of noncompetitive football to save the day with some late drives. 

[JetsMetsRangers]

22 minutes ago, doitny said:

this is the 2nd OC Zach has had and he still sucks. 

but that is the norm around the league. fire the OC when the high draft pick QB sucks. 90% of the time its really the QB who was the problem. and we had great evidence of it last year when White and Flacco both did better than Zach in MILF offense.

and i bet if Boyle comes in he will look better too.

this is also the same as in the Pitt game last year where Zach was so bad for 3 qts then had a great 4th qt drive. 

with 90% of all QBs drafted in rd 1 are busts it still amazes me how some people think they can be fixed. Zach Wilson is so bad he is Johnny Manziel and Josh Rosen bad. he shouldnt even be on a NFL roster and when the Jets are done playing games with him he will be out of the NFL forever.

Hell even Josh Johnson in 2021 comes in and throws for 317 yards and 3 TD's in less than a full game, amazing how the offense looks like a professional team whenever Zach is not playing......

[neckdemon]

2 hours ago, ultraJETfan said:

You are completely clueless if you think Hackett and Zach can just replicate that drive whenever the hell they want. It was a fluke drive aided by a bullsh*te PI call. If not for the flag they kick a FG or blow the 4td down and turn it over. Get your head out of your ass. 

you took the words out of my mouth. also.....the thing with zach is that occasionally he will have a good drive and you might be tempted to think "hey he CAN do this". but then the next drive comes and BOOM.....it's a blooper reel

[neckdemon]

5 minutes ago, Bugg said:

Not buying it. How much of that was 4th quarter drive Belichick trading clock for yards? Teams facing the Jets are factoring all this in. So after 3 quarters of nothing, at the end of the day Wilson's numbers approach almost okay. You aren't winning  with 3 quarters of noncompetitive football to save the day with some late drives. 

lol.....dude came in next drive and didn't gain a yard. 

[MichaelScott]

1 hour ago, docdhc said:

No sacks or takeaways but still held them to 13 points. NFL average is 23 points. I saw a stat that if Jets scored 23 points a game they’d be 15-3 in last 18 games. It’s easy to blame Zach because he’s the real problem. So many 3 and outs, so many missed open receivers. I was hopeful he’d be better in his 3rd year but obviously he’s not. 

And the Pat's offense looked at least 10 points below NFL average. What's your point? 

[The Crusher]

3 hours ago, JETS SB said:

All of us watched the game on Sunday. I was out there in the rain. We watched an inept offense and a defense that couldnt get a sack or a takeaway. We can blame Zach. That's easy. He was bad. But is he the real problem? Zach clearly had one excellent drive in the 4th quarter. We played hurry up, from the gun, and he looked like a different guy, than we have seen for 3 years. Why are we making this guy into a 3 step, drop back passer, when his clear weakness is holding the ball too long, and that is solved, simply by putting him in the shotgun, quicker passes, etc? Sure the Pats were playing a soft defense, but still. He is so much better, when he has time and the O-line sucks. 

I am not saying it will completely cure the problem. Its not going to make him into a good QB. But, how do we watch that drive and not try to do this more often? 

This is a coaching problem. Yeah Zach sucks. But, we know what his limitations are and what his strengths are. Why are we not playing to his strengths?

Good posts but I’m not really sure I’ve noticed any consistent strengths. Except the ability to make  the Jets unwatchable. Other than that everything seems to be flash in the pan type nonsense, 

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, Bugg said:

Not buying it. How much of that was 4th quarter drive Belichick trading clock for yards? Teams facing the Jets are factoring all this in. So after 3 quarters of nothing, at the end of the day Wilson's numbers approach almost okay. You aren't winning  with 3 quarters of noncompetitive football to save the day with some late drives. 

I wonder where you heard that phrase from.

[68JET11]

I wanted to support him, but it's over. If the coach doesn't take him off the field, and JD find his replacement, then both should be fired, and I like JD.

[doitny]

1 hour ago, JetsMetsRangers said:

Hell even Josh Johnson in 2021 comes in and throws for 317 yards and 3 TD's in less than a full game, amazing how the offense looks like a professional team whenever Zach is not playing......

i forgot about him. even more evidence Zach sucks and we made a mistake getting rid of MILF.

when its all said and done i wonder what the body count will be from Zach Wilson. 

MILF, Eliah Moore who had 9 catches sunday... there must be some more i can think of now.

[JagsFanJif]

Jets fans there is a reality you need to face and it's a proven fact at this point.  Let go of whatever silly notion you had that made you believe Zach Wilson could ever be good at playing QB in the NFL.  Let go of this "talent" you think is hidden inside of Zach Wilson and face the truth,  Zach does nothing well.  Nothing.  There is no creative game plan to get the most out of him.  He is the worst starter in league history.  He cant recognize the simplest of concepts and reads, there is no tailor made offense that is going to make him competent.  He is a disaster. 

Just let it be: he is the biggest bust in the history of the NFL.  This isnt some kid who had baggage, a drunk, a druggie, a gambler, a bogey boarder, nope, none of that...he is just plain awful and at this point he should do everyone in his life a favor and retire. 

[Warfish]

4 hours ago, JETS SB said:

All of us watched the game on Sunday.

We can blame Zach. That's easy. He was bad. But is he the real problem?

Yeah Zach sucks. 

I agree 100% with these parts of your post.

Our coaches on offense aren’t good either, but Zach is the primary problem. There is no coaching around that.

[DireJet]

This sounds great — except the part where you’re forgetting that ZW’s the worst QB in NFL history. 

[rangerous]

4 hours ago, ultraJETfan said:

You are completely clueless if you think Hackett and Zach can just replicate that drive whenever the hell they want. It was a fluke drive aided by a bullsh*te PI call. If not for the flag they kick a FG or blow the 4td down and turn it over. Get your head out of your ass. 

Even without the pi call and subsequent td it was a nice drive. I doubt the patsies were playing soft since the game was still close. The point is where was this type of play and execution during the previous three quarters? The jets did something different and it worked.

[Barry McCockinner]

The problem is Zach is an idiot. 

[nj meadowlands]

Dude he’s got 25 games under his belt 

[GangGreened]

Yes - it’s obviously Zach Wilson. He’s not the “only” problem but he’s by far the biggest. That is where you start.

[JetPotato]

Can we stop with the "he's so much better when he has time" bull shlt? He isn't. He sucks either way. The numbers prove this extensively.

[#27TheDominator]

Dear lord.  Do you guys not understand the power of morale or hope?  I mean I guess you haven't had hope in so long you don't, but still.  That offense had one borderline successful drive.  If you could not feel and see that the D was performing after that, I can't help you.  The games are not played in a vacuum.  Get an offense that puts up 15-20 first downs in a game and this D will be your shiny toy again.  The Pats had one 10 play drive and the long TD.  The TD was bad, but that is exactly the kind of thing that happens when you NEED your D to get takeaways and score points.  Everybody does their job and doesn't press and we probably lose that game 11-10.  I don't know about you, but that doesn't make me feel any better. 

[jamesr]

26 minutes ago, rangerous said:

Even without the pi call and subsequent td it was a nice drive. I doubt the patsies were playing soft since the game was still close. The point is where was this type of play and execution during the previous three quarters? The jets did something different and it worked.

Against the Cowboys we ran a play action pass across the middle to GW who took it to the house. Didn't manage to do so again in the whole game. Or the Patsie game.

Just because something works once doesn't mean it will work again. Defenses adjust. players don't get open the same way on each play. DBs start to play tighter / looser coverage based on what just happened. Run fakes will be less effective down 14+ than when down by 3 or 7.

[shawn306]

5 hours ago, JETS SB said:

All of us watched the game on Sunday. I was out there in the rain. We watched an inept offense and a defense that couldnt get a sack or a takeaway. We can blame Zach. That's easy. He was bad. But is he the real problem? Zach clearly had one excellent drive in the 4th quarter. We played hurry up, from the gun, and he looked like a different guy, than we have seen for 3 years. Why are we making this guy into a 3 step, drop back passer, when his clear weakness is holding the ball too long, and that is solved, simply by putting him in the shotgun, quicker passes, etc? Sure the Pats were playing a soft defense, but still. He is so much better, when he has time and the O-line sucks. 

I am not saying it will completely cure the problem. Its not going to make him into a good QB. But, how do we watch that drive and not try to do this more often? 

This is a coaching problem. Yeah Zach sucks. But, we know what his limitations are and what his strengths are. Why are we not playing to his strengths?

The Pats were more than willing to trade time for Yardage.

The fact that they were unable to do anything against a team that was missing 3 cb's and still playing man to man most of the game is pretty damming if you ask me.

[JetsMetsRangers]

1 hour ago, doitny said:

i forgot about him. even more evidence Zach sucks and we made a mistake getting rid of MILF.

when its all said and done i wonder what the body count will be from Zach Wilson. 

MILF, Eliah Moore who had 9 catches sunday... there must be some more i can think of now.

Well prolific pass catcher Garrett Wilson did great with other QB's throwing to him.......Besides the short pass he took to the House he would barely have 100 yards in 3 games.......His fault for not getting open especially when other teams have 8 in the box........lol!........How much more evidence do we need before saying hey just might be that ZACH is the problem......

[jamesr]

5 hours ago, JETS SB said:

All of us watched the game on Sunday. I was out there in the rain. We watched an inept offense and a defense that couldnt get a sack or a takeaway. We can blame Zach. That's easy. He was bad. But is he the real problem? Zach clearly had one excellent drive in the 4th quarter. We played hurry up, from the gun, and he looked like a different guy, than we have seen for 3 years. Why are we making this guy into a 3 step, drop back passer, when his clear weakness is holding the ball too long, and that is solved, simply by putting him in the shotgun, quicker passes, etc? Sure the Pats were playing a soft defense, but still. He is so much better, when he has time and the O-line sucks. 

I am not saying it will completely cure the problem. Its not going to make him into a good QB. But, how do we watch that drive and not try to do this more often? 

This is a coaching problem. Yeah Zach sucks. But, we know what his limitations are and what his strengths are. Why are we not playing to his strengths?

"Strengths" implies more than one. Being in the shotgun is hardly a strength anyway, it may have helped on that drive, or it could have been any number of factors.

One good drive, or one good game, doesn't make a difference at this stage. Do we now think Arizona are a great team because they beat a team that previously looked great? They had one good game, Dallas had one bad game. But teams revert to the norm over time.

Our norm is an offense that scores ~1 TD a game, maybe a few FGs to go along with it. Every so often we may do a lot better, but we know we'll be back to plodding along with 3 and outs, lobbing the ball out of bounds on a QB scramble to nowhere or taking a needless sack. We're not suddenly going on a run where each game is a 3 TD outing. 

[heymangold]

and that's why zach is a bad QB.  he can't consistently move the ball.  

[heymangold]

1 hour ago, doitny said:

i forgot about him. even more evidence Zach sucks and we made a mistake getting rid of MILF.

when its all said and done i wonder what the body count will be from Zach Wilson. 

MILF, Eliah Moore who had 9 catches sunday... there must be some more i can think of now.

moore with his 9 catches for 49 yards.  really amazing.

[RevisIsland610]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

Jets fans there is a reality you need to face and it's a proven fact at this point.  Let go of whatever silly notion you had that made you believe Zach Wilson could ever be good at playing QB in the NFL.  Let go of this "talent" you think is hidden inside of Zach Wilson and face the truth,  Zach does nothing well.  Nothing.  There is no creative game plan to get the most out of him.  He is the worst starter in league history.  He cant recognize the simplest of concepts and reads, there is no tailor made offense that is going to make him competent.  He is a disaster. 

Just let it be: he is the biggest bust in the history of the NFL.  This isnt some kid who had baggage, a drunk, a druggie, a gambler, a bogey boarder, nope, none of that...he is just plain awful and at this point he should do everyone in his life a favor and retire. 

All of this is true and it amazes me that Saleh and Douglas are still going to start him on Sunday. I mean like WTF are they thinking? Get somebody in here now. 

[jamesr]

Here's a question - when did the team, with Zach at QB, last score more than 2 offensive TDs in a game?

 

[#27TheDominator]

25 minutes ago, jamesr said:

Against the Cowboys we ran a play action pass across the middle to GW who took it to the house. Didn't manage to do so again in the whole game. Or the Patsie game.

Just because something works once doesn't mean it will work again. Defenses adjust. players don't get open the same way on each play. DBs start to play tighter / looser coverage based on what just happened. Run fakes will be less effective down 14+ than when down by 3 or 7.

Yeah, but the Pats were never up 14.  They didn't even get to 14 points until the safety at 2 minutes.  

[#27TheDominator]

5 minutes ago, jamesr said:

Here's a question - when did the team, with Zach at QB, last score more than 2 offensive TDs in a game?

 

Uzomah caught two from him against the Lions last year.  Maybe that is why everybody wants to cut him.

[ChuckkieB]

5 hours ago, JETS SB said:

All of us watched the game on Sunday. I was out there in the rain. We watched an inept offense and a defense that couldnt get a sack or a takeaway. We can blame Zach. That's easy. He was bad. But is he the real problem? Zach clearly had one excellent drive in the 4th quarter. We played hurry up, from the gun, and he looked like a different guy, than we have seen for 3 years. Why are we making this guy into a 3 step, drop back passer, when his clear weakness is holding the ball too long, and that is solved, simply by putting him in the shotgun, quicker passes, etc? Sure the Pats were playing a soft defense, but still. He is so much better, when he has time and the O-line sucks. 

I am not saying it will completely cure the problem. Its not going to make him into a good QB. But, how do we watch that drive and not try to do this more often? 

This is a coaching problem. Yeah Zach sucks. But, we know what his limitations are and what his strengths are. Why are we not playing to his strengths?

Zack Wilson is a terrible QB and no amount of coaching or an all star supporting cast will change anything.  He has ZERO football instincts, cannot read defenses, is inconsistent, and he does not make the players around him better.  If a 3rd year QB cannot check all of those boxes, he is hot garbage and the team needs to make a change.  Even the most casual football fan knows that Zack Wilson is not an NFL QB.  The only folks who don't seem to know this are he Jets front office and coaching staff.  INFURIATING! 

[bonkertons]

It's so weird how some people go out of their way to find any other problem to point at as if it's at all comparable to the QB problem.  "I get Zach sucks, but did you see ________?"  It's like saying "yeah I get that I have a giant ******* hole in my head, but did you know I also stubbed my toe?  Let's not downplay the significance of that".

 

Our defense played more than well enough to win.  Were they perfect?  No.  Are you saying that's what we should expect?  That doesn't seem like a reasonable take.  Do you want to blame the running game?  I mean, that's fine but what are they supposed to do in reality?  You're trying to run against a stacked box because the opposing team KNOWS our QB can't do a damn thing.  You want to blame play calling?  How many opportunities did Zach miss?  Or is the problem that Hackett should know Zach will miss these plays and call something else?  What else can you call when your QB can't even read an open man on a 5 yard crossing route?  Just 60 minutes of trickery?  

 

Again, I get this need to blame other people.  It's hard to have a game that ******* ugly and think, in the NFL, that our problem is ONE player.  There HAS to be other problems, right?  As far as guys on the field though, it's really that simple.  There's no need to overcomplicate things.  The only other people who could possibly take blame here are Douglas for not bringing in a legit backup, or Saleh for not benching Zach for Boyle.  Other than that, how do we blame any of these other guys?  

 

A change has to be made, regardless of the expectations now for this season.  Whether it's a guy from the scrap heap just to fill that spot and keep us in games/keep Garrett happy by getting him actual touches; or whether it's a trade for a guy like Cousins where we try to salvage the season....something has to change.  You absolutely can NOT continue with Zach after that game.  The fans and his teammates have turned on him yet again, and even if you've punted on this year, you risk completely losing the locker room if he sticks in there.  If you march him back out there in front of our home crowd, against arguably the best team in the league, IN PRIME TIME.....dear lord it could get ugly fast. 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

3 hours ago, Bugg said:

Not buying it. How much of that was 4th quarter drive Belichick trading clock for yards? Teams facing the Jets are factoring all this in. So after 3 quarters of nothing, at the end of the day Wilson's numbers approach almost okay. You aren't winning  with 3 quarters of noncompetitive football to save the day with some late drives. 

If so, that was a stupid strategy by Bellichick. For all the severe offensive ineptitude, the Jets had three more possession down one score and came within a few inches of winning the game on the Hail Mary at the end. I will never understand why teams sit back like that after shutting down a team all game.