What are the odds that Aaron doesn’t want to play for the Jets next season?

[sec101row23]

After watching this mess all year does Aaron say no thank you to the Jets next season?   Does he come to the realization that Saleh isn’t competent?  The defense isn’t elite?  The O-line is bad?  Is he secretly relieved that he wasn’t exposed to this situation this year?  I don’t think it’s a certainty that Aaron comes back next season.   

[The Crusher]

100% back as long as his health lets him. If nothing else he’s not going to let his and  his boy  Hackett’s career end like this. No way  in hell. 

[sec101row23]

3 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

100% back as long as his health lets him. If nothing else he’s not going to let his and  his boy  Hackett’s career end like this. No way  in hell. 

I’m not so sure.   I think there is a legit chance if the dumpster fire continues.   Aaron may have over-valued the situation here.  

[Matt39]

[Warfish]

The question we should be asking is, do we want him to come back?

I’m not sure I do tbqh.  

[Irish Jet]

Everyone is coming back so long as Rodgers decides to. There’s not going to be any accountability in the next 12 months.

[The Crusher]

Just now, sec101row23 said:

I’m not so sure.   I think there is a legit chance if the dumpster fire continues.   Aaron may have over-valued the situation here.  

Zach running the team into the ground in historical fashion  is happening for the third year in a row. Aaron knew this coming in and isn’t at all surprised by this. Guys been in the league for 2 decades, you really think he doesn’t understand the effect abysmal QB plays has on an entire team?
 

You don’t think his ego doesn’t think he could win with this team? personally I think this makes Aaron feel more like it’s HIS team. Might be reason we are doing nothing but watching Zach flail and fail! Plus Aaron genuinely likes the guys on this team and the young ones absolutely worshipped him. He’s not going to let them down unless he physically can’t return. 

[The Crusher]

2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

The question we should be asking is, do we want him to come back?

I’m not sure I do tbqh.  

Color me glad it’s not up to you old friend. 

[Biggs]

Green Bay was so right to move on from him.  He's toast.  

[sec101row23]

1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

Zach running the team into the ground in historical fashion  is happening for the third year in a row. Aaron knew this coming in and isn’t at all surprised by this. Guys been in the league for 2 decades, you really think he doesn’t understand the effect abysmal QB plays has on an entire team?
 

You don’t think his ego doesn’t think he could win with this team? personally I think this makes Aaron feel more like it’s HIS team. Might be reason we are doing nothing but watching Zach flail and fail! Plus Aaron genuinely likes the guys on this team and the young ones absolutely worshipped him. He’s not going to let them down unless he physically can’t return. 

I get all that, but it’s a long time till next season and this situation could look vastly different next spring.  

[JiFtheOracle]

21 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

After watching this mess all year does Aaron say no thank you to the Jets next season?   Does he come to the realization that Saleh isn’t competent?  The defense isn’t elite?  The O-line is bad?  Is he secretly relieved that he wasn’t exposed to this situation this year?  I don’t think it’s a certainty that Aaron comes back next season.   

Depends.  If he goes into a darkness retreat for the rest of the season, maybe he's not exposed to how bad the Jets are and is tempted to return.  If he stays in the light and is watching this mess, he definitely retires or forces a trade to Tampa Bay.

[Warfish]

1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

Color me glad it’s not up to you old friend. 

Maybe you think you’re getting something we’re not likely to get now. Watching someone else’s future HOF great hobble around ineffectively, broken down, or worse gets hurt early again……that’s not a show I want to watch

Plus Rodgers return almost assuredly means the GM and coaching staff and roster all return too. Pass on that.

This regime needs replaced, the sooner the better. And we need to go back to trying to build a team, not buy one for one season.

JMO. Today at least…

[The Crusher]

4 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

I get all that, but it’s a long time till next season and this situation could look vastly different next spring.  

Long for us for sure! Aaron will be busy healing, shroomimg and plotting his revenge tour in total darkness! 

[GangGreened]

Running it back as is, with Rodgers will NOT be successful. Calling that right now. But they will try, and then everyone will finally get fired.

Rodgers with a new coaching staff is the right move. If the staff goes and Rodgers retires because of it (unlikely, he didn’t come here to “play for Saleh” like some want to believe) then so be it.

[playtowinthegame]

I wish we never traded for him, because trading for Rodgers, was the move to keep Zach Wilson. I'd rather have signed two jag quarterbacks this past off-season and traded Zach Wilson to anyone who would have wanted him. I'm sick of seeing the same movie over and over. Jets need to put the TEAM first over the #2 overall whiff. 

[dbatesman]

100%, hopefully

[PFSIKH]

He said he is coming back.  Chances are the Jet swill have a top half of the 1st round pick.  The draft is supposed to have as many top rated tackles as QBs.  I think there are enough young leaders to compel him to comeback.

[The Crusher]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Maybe you think you’re getting something we’re not likely to get now. Watching someone else’s future HOF great hobble around ineffectively, broken down, or worse gets hurt early again……that’s not a show I want to watch

Plus Rodgers return almost assuredly means the GM and coaching staff and roster all return too. Pass on that.

This regime needs replaced, the sooner the better. And we need to go back to trying to build a team, not buy one for one season.

JMO. Today at least…

Very fair opinion, but I can personally wait another year before we start over again and again and again. This team was built for Aaron, if he can physically go, I’d like to see it. But, if they decided to fire everyone and start over I would happily pull up a chair and watch it with you anytime anyplace. 
 

I was at the game Monday night, it was heartbreaking, but doesn’t stop me from wanting to see Aaron play a season for us. Fat selfish I guess, but I’m willing to wear it!

 

That being said, if  Zach plays all season and we draft in the top 5? We take a QB for the future. Period!! 

[doitny]

the bigger question is if Rodgers comes back does he want Zach back? and do we let him have him?

we can cut Zach next year and it wont matter cause we are paying him for 2024 either way. 

[GangGreened]

Just now, doitny said:

the bigger question is if Rodgers comes back does he want Zach back? and do we let him have him?

we can cut Zach next year and it wont matter cause we are paying him for 2024 either way. 

I’d look him dead in the eyes and tell him to GTFO.

Rodgers has to know Zach is not it. 

[CanadaSteve]

22 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

I’m not so sure.   I think there is a legit chance if the dumpster fire continues.   Aaron may have over-valued the situation here.  

I don't think it has been as bad as some like to think.  Has the O-line been perfect?  No.  But we can't run the ball.  Why?  Because there are nine guys in the box all the time.  Why?  Because EVERY opposing player and DC knows we have Zach Wilson as our QB.  There were numerous times against the Patriots game where Tony Romo offered great breakdowns of plays, showing how the line did what they needed to do.  In one particular, he even broke down the protection and how it was there, and a wide-open Garret Wilson came across the field.  He said "There is your man, wide open.  You throw it there, and Garrett has a first down."  What happened instead?  Wilson held onto the ball for another two seconds, scrambled, and threw it away. 

Zach Wilson has all the tools to be an elite QB in this league, except for one thing.  The mental part of the game.  The NFL seems to move WAY too fast for him compared to college.  Sometimes, you can be a big fish in a small pond when you are in the NCAA.  But when you go up against men who play a sport for a living, that is another whole level.  

If we had Teddy Bridgewater or Gardner Minshew, we would be 2-1.  The defense, even though there has been widespread criticism about last week, only gave up 13 points to the Patriots.  That should get you a win almost every week.  

[Augustiniak]

16 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

I get all that, but it’s a long time till next season and this situation could look vastly different next spring.  

The big question to me is, does saleh and his staff survive this season?  B/c right now the players are already revolting on offense and they’re not using guys like ruckert or Izzy and only used tippman out of pure desperation.  So the competency of the coaches goes way beyond just rodgers right now.  And if saleh loses the locker room again, then at a minimum there’s going to be a coaching change.  Whether that means a gm change, idk.  But the more change in the offseason the more likely any new blood is going to want to draft and groom their own qb. 

[doitny]

4 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

I’d look him dead in the eyes and tell him to GTFO.

Rodgers has to know Zach is not it. 

plus having Zach on this team next year learning from Rodgers doesnt benefit us at all. there is no way in hell we can bring back Zach for 2025 even on a cheap "prove it" contract.

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

I don't think it has been as bad as some like to think.  Has the O-line been perfect?  No.  But we can't run the ball.  Why?  Because there are nine guys in the box all the time.  Why?  Because EVERY opposing player and DC knows we have Zach Wilson as our QB.  There were numerous times against the Patriots game where Tony Romo offered great breakdowns of plays, showing how the line did what they needed to do.  In one particular, he even broke down the protection and how it was there, and a wide-open Garret Wilson came across the field.  He said "There is your man, wide open.  You throw it there, and Garrett has a first down."  What happened instead?  Wilson held onto the ball for another two seconds, scrambled, and threw it away. 

Zach Wilson has all the tools to be an elite QB in this league, except for one thing.  The mental part of the game.  The NFL seems to move WAY too fast for him compared to college.  Sometimes, you can be a big fish in a small pond when you are in the NCAA.  But when you go up against men who play a sport for a living, that is another whole level.  

If we had Teddy Bridgewater or Gardner Minshew, we would be 2-1.  The defense, even though there has been widespread criticism about last week, only gave up 13 points to the Patriots.  That should get you a win almost every week.  

Problem is that douglas gambled (and lost ) that he could hide wilson for one more year with rodgers here and then he could get another backup.  Now we’re seeing what happens when you gamble and lose. And no matter what anyone says right now, the fact that the jets keep their 1st rounder has to be resonating throughout the jets organization as the losses mount and the draft pick improves and all they have at qb is a 40 yr old coming of a major major injury.

[sec101row23]

Just now, doitny said:

plus having Zach on this team next year learning from Rodgers doesnt benefit us at all. there is no way in hell we can bring back Zach for 2025 even on a cheap "prove it" contract.

Zach should have been gone the second that the Rodgers trade was finalized.  Keeping him here provided zero benefit to this franchise.  Zero.  It’s going to be a fatal error for this regime.  

[jeremy2020]

Next season is going to be twice as good after all this.. we're gonna get 8 plays of Rodgers before whatever 60 year old offensive lineman who needs a retirement check lets a defender through and injures Rodgers. 

[GangGreened]

5 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Zach should have been gone the second that the Rodgers trade was finalized.  Keeping him here provided zero benefit to this franchise.  Zero.  It’s going to be a fatal error for this regime.  

They genuinely thought, even after watching that Jags game last year, that there was still a chance for him.

These guys are just not the answer

[sec101row23]

8 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

They genuinely thought, even after watching that Jags game last year, that there was still a chance for him.

These guys are just not the answer

Not admitting the mistake will ultimately cost them their jobs.  It didn’t have to be that way though.  Whiffing on a highly drafted QB doesn’t have to be a fatal mistake, hanging onto that QB too long and destroying your team is fatal.  San Francisco realized their mistake, they rid themselves of it and moved on.   

[Augustiniak]

9 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Not admitting the mistake will ultimately cost them their jobs.  It didn’t have to be that way though.  Whiffing on a highly drafted QB doesn’t have to be a fatal mistake, hanging onto that QB too long and destroying your team is fatal.  San Francisco realized their mistake, they rid themselves of it and moved on.   

If saleh and douglas are going to get a pass from woody b/c of the rodgers injury then there’s nothing we can do.  Douglas in particular may be safe, esp. if saleh and his staff eventually play some of these younger guys and they look good.  Keeping wilson was probably a joint woody/douglas decision that is clearly going to cost the team this season.

The jets have to draft a qb next year, in the 1st or 3rd round.  

[Augustiniak]

10 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Not admitting the mistake will ultimately cost them their jobs.  It didn’t have to be that way though.  Whiffing on a highly drafted QB doesn’t have to be a fatal mistake, hanging onto that QB too long and destroying your team is fatal.  San Francisco realized their mistake, they rid themselves of it and moved on.   

If saleh and douglas are going to get a pass from woody b/c of the rodgers injury then there’s nothing we can do.  Douglas in particular may be safe, esp. if saleh and his staff eventually play some of these younger guys and they look good.  Keeping wilson was probably a joint woody/douglas decision that is clearly going to cost the team this season.

 

[Cut Jet Penalty Makers]

1 hour ago, sec101row23 said:

After watching this mess all year does Aaron say no thank you to the Jets next season?   Does he come to the realization that Saleh isn’t competent?  The defense isn’t elite?  The O-line is bad?  Is he secretly relieved that he wasn’t exposed to this situation this year?  I don’t think it’s a certainty that Aaron comes back next season.   

80/20 against and part of that factors in his age elated, slow healing body and the ineptness of JD and Saleh. Don't put it past him to engineer a palace coup behind the scenes with Woody.

[SoFlaJets]

I knew that Rodgers was gonna get hurt this season, just as every one of you guys who. have been around since Woody bought this team knew it too. Nothing good ever happens for this team. Even the most pessimistic among us never could foresee the cruelty that fate would deal us this time after only 4 friggin' plays into the season. FOUR!

So here we are playing out an elongated 2022 season with out nightmare scenario of being forced to watch the NFL's worst QB once again being the team's QB. The truth of it is this we also know, just as sec101 wrote that Aaron Rodgers won't even make it to the season next year, some other "only the Jets" scenario will happen and we'll be stuck for another year of wasted opportunity while the clueless Saleh, Douglas, Johnson regime will once again stand up there to tell us that what we know isn't true because THEY KNOW how much Wilson is improving. Yea, I have ZERO hope nor belief in the idea of the Jets getting some karmic break-none

[sec101row23]

4 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

If saleh and douglas are going to get a pass from woody b/c of the rodgers injury then there’s nothing we can do.  Douglas in particular may be safe, esp. if saleh and his staff eventually play some of these younger guys and they look good.  Keeping wilson was probably a joint woody/douglas decision that is clearly going to cost the team this season.

 

That’s something that JD and Saleh couldn’t allow to happen though.  There was no way that they should have went into this season with even the possibility that Zach could destroy this season.   Keeping Zach on this roster and as QB2 was malpractice.  
 

 

[Joe W. Namath]

A 40 year old coming off an achilles.  Who really cares.  Rodgers is a band aid and it blew up in our faces.  Bringing him back just delays what really needs to happen.

This is a kotite level disaster and bringing rodgers back makes it even worse.

[docdhc]

1 hour ago, sec101row23 said:

I’m not so sure.   I think there is a legit chance if the dumpster fire continues.   Aaron may have over-valued the situation here.  

I don’t think he overvalued the situation. No team can win with historically bad QB play. With Rodgers at 75% of his prime this is a good football team.