Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted September 26 Popular Post Share Posted September 26 Zach Wilson taking more time to throw than any QB in the league so he can check it down. Shock collar with a timer is the only way to fix him. 6 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBJ Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 Let's deworm him first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darnold Schwarzenegger Posted September 26 Popular Post Share Posted September 26 Does this take into account for when ZW lays on the ground in the fetal position and waits for a defender to touch him to get a sack. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 Nah man. Haven't you heard? No one would succeed behind this OL, and he's running for his life out there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 26 Author Share Posted September 26 1 minute ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said: Does this take into account for when ZW lays on the ground in the fetal position and waits for a defender to touch him to get a sack. idiot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spoot-Face Posted September 26 Popular Post Share Posted September 26 Why does Nathaniel Hackett only call the short, long-developing plays? 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkertons Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Nah man. Haven't you heard? No one would succeed behind this OL, and he's running for his life out there. I'm convinced if you put me out there at QB, and I shat my pants, didn't know wtf I was seeing in front of me, and eventually ran for my life, people would still say the OL is the problem. The sad thing is that it's kind of just accepted now by people in the media who you'd assume didn't even watch the game on Sunday. "Yeah well what do you expect with that offensive line". The ****? Dude had more time to throw on Sunday than any QB has had the last 2 seasons here. He can't process what he's seeing, and regardless of how much time they give him, he's going to panic and either hold the ball too long, run into a sack, or take off and throw it away/throw a pick. It's become the Zach specialty. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 4 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: idiot How could anyone watch that clip and possibly think the answer is to say "man, we need a new OC" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 10 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Zach Wilson taking more time to throw than any QB in the league so he can check it down. Shock collar with a timer is the only way to fix him. OMG Cocky B! Have you even ever ran backwards before? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 Has anyone been able to come up with ONE good stat, no? I guess that is because there aren't any. WAKE UP Joe D!!!!! HELP US!!! Wentz can't possibly be any worse in the locker room. We are 18 points underdogs!!!! Last chance JD. If you lose me you are sunk. I might be the last holdout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: How could anyone watch that clip and possibly think the answer is to say "man, we need a new OC" "Stop calling the lay down on the bed and act like a lady play Hackett!" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 Serious question - is Zach's "average time to throw" inflated because he runs around a lot, or is this limited to pocket time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Nah man. Haven't you heard? No one would succeed behind this OL, and he's running for his life out there. Week 2 that was the case. Zach is 🗑, shouldn't be anyone left defending him at this point. Look at Tua, that OL is not great, they just get the ball out stupid fast so it neutralizes the pass rush. We are stuck for this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 2 minutes ago, nj meadowlands said: Serious question - is Zach's "average time to throw" inflated because he runs around a lot, or is this limited to pocket time? It's inflated but he also has guys running wide open without pulling the trigger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 Just now, bla bla bla said: Week 2 that was the case. Zach is 🗑, shouldn't be anyone left defending him at this point. Look at Tua, that OL is not great, they just get the ball out stupid fast so it neutralizes the pass rush. We are stuck for this season Was it though? The numbers showed he was still holding onto the ball forever. # 1 in time to throw and # 5 in pocket time in the league following Week 2. Meanwhile Joshua Dobbs just led the supposedly tanking Arizona Cardinals to a win over that same scary Cowboys team, so.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciond Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 8 minutes ago, The Crusher said: OMG Cocky B! Have you even ever ran backwards before? he runs the hardest to his own end zone 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 5 minutes ago, nj meadowlands said: Serious question - is Zach's "average time to throw" inflated because he runs around a lot, or is this limited to pocket time? 3 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: It's inflated but he also has guys running wide open without pulling the trigger It's not inflated. They are able to isolate that stuff out. He was # 5 in the league in pocket time following Week 2. Not sure where he ranks following Week 3 but based on how long he was holding the ball in the pocket without doing anything time after time on Sunday, I imagine its still pretty high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkertons Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: How could anyone watch that clip and possibly think the answer is to say "man, we need a new OC" I think a lot of people are having a hard time coming to grips with blaming one player for our struggles, even if it's beyond obvious and staring us in the face. It's easier for our brains to latch onto this idea that there has been a collection of failures. It's why you see the OL brought up even when they played a solid game, or the defense being criticized after holding their opponent to 13 points, or Hackett's play-calling, as if there is a magical assortment of other plays that Zach would have performed beautifully. Or the running game/run blocking, for not being able to consistently win against a stacked box when our opponent all but dared us to beat them through the air. Every time I hear or read "running game didn't help him out" or "not one sack or turnover, that's not good enough", all I can do is shake my head. It's incredibly difficult to comprehend that one player can be holding us back to this degree. In reality though, that's exactly what's happening. I could have bought into the whole OL thing after the Dallas game, or Sauce not catching that pick, or whatever. I have no idea though how anyone could have watched this game Sunday and come out of it with "yeah Zach was bad, but what about our ______". Like, what are we doing here? I can even get on board with blaming JD for not bringing in a contingency plan(although it wouldn't have mattered....a good backup isn't winning us a damn thing this year other than some pride and maybe a .500 finish if we're lucky). But the other guys on the field? After that game? HWHAT? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagsFanJif Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 Wow but Lil Mikey and Hackett and OL, yadayadayada Crazy when you see this because Zach Wilson is completing 52% of his passes and 75% of those passes, are check downs w/ plenty of time to throw. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 6 minutes ago, nj meadowlands said: Serious question - is Zach's "average time to throw" inflated because he runs around a lot, or is this limited to pocket time? 3 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: It's inflated but he also has guys running wide open without pulling the trigger Found it: https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php Following Week 3, Zach Wilson is now tied for 1st in pocket time (2.7 seconds) with 5 other QBs. Unless you count Aaron Rodgers, who finished his season rocking 3.2 seconds of pocket time. lol. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 He's trigger shy. He reminds me a little of watching Rick Mirer in 1999. He's afraid of throwing picks and forcing the checkdown. I would love to see the "tape" Robert Saleh is talking about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtnelson Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 There's no excuse because the OL gave him time. Absolutely painful to watch. I'm not sure I can watch much more of this. Maybe just DVR the game and fast forward through the offense unless suddenly I see more points, then go back and watch the drive. Ugh. This season has been so unbelievably Jets so far it's.... I dunno. Poetic? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 26 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Zach Wilson taking more time to throw than any QB in the league so he can check it down. Shock collar with a timer is the only way to fix him. Electricution is not the answer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Was it though? The numbers showed he was still holding onto the ball forever. # 1 in time to throw and # 5 in pocket time in the league following Week 2. Meanwhile Joshua Dobbs just led the supposedly tanking Arizona Cardinals to a win over that same scary Cowboys team, so.... Idk how you can look back at the Dallas game and not blame the OL. Parsons destroyed everyone he went against. That's not really meant to be a defense of Zach, I just don't think the Jets win that game with Aaron Rodgers back there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: It's not inflated. They are able to isolate that stuff out. He was # 5 in the league in pocket time following Week 2. Not sure where he ranks following Week 3 but based on how long he was holding the ball in the pocket without doing anything time after time on Sunday, I imagine its still pretty high. Ah, my mistake, I thought this was snap to throw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 26 Author Share Posted September 26 7 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: Electricution is not the answer agree to disagree 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 2 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: Idk how you can look back at the Dallas game and not blame the OL. Parsons destroyed everyone he went against. That's not really meant to be a defense of Zach, I just don't think the Jets win that game with Aaron Rodgers back there. I dunno how you can look at the numbers and recognize that your eyes are lying to you because Zach holds onto the ball for forever. Getting the ball out quick is never the option that Zach takes because his brain operates too slowly. That allows EDGE guys to feast because no OL can be asked to hold up for more than 2.5 seconds with consistency. Micah Parsons is a one-man wrecking crew, sure, but it didn't stop the Joshua Dobbs-led Cardinal offense from putting up 28 points on Sunday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 10 minutes ago, slimjasi said: He's trigger shy. He reminds me a little of watching Rick Mirer in 1999. He's afraid of throwing picks and forcing the checkdown. I would love to see the "tape" Robert Saleh is talking about. Yeah, he’s too afraid of turning it over (and rightfully so) that he’s become a check down guy only. He’s broken and shouldn’t be on the team but is. Looks like another season down the tubes assuming he keeps playing like this. It would be great to bring in a top qb prospect to put behind rodgers, whether it’s Caleb or maye, or the duke or michigan qbs. Even if rodgers returned and started week 1 and this rookie were the backup that guy will likely play in more than a few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 26 Author Share Posted September 26 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: I dunno how you can look at the numbers and recognize that your eyes are lying to you because Zach holds onto the ball for forever. Getting the ball out quick is never the option that Zach takes because his brain operates too slowly. That allows EDGE guys to feast because no OL can be asked to hold up for more than 2.5 seconds with consistency. Micah Parsons is a one-man wrecking crew, sure, but it didn't stop the Joshua Dobbs-led Cardinal offense from putting up 28 points on Sunday. When Hackett said "we underestimated Parsons" in the quick game it was obviously him covering up for Zach holding the ball too long. There is zero chance an NFL offensive coordinator watches hours and hours of film on a defense and underestimates what laymen can plainly see at home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 39 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Zach Wilson taking more time to throw than any QB in the league so he can check it down. Shock collar with a timer is the only way to fix him. This chart is just sad. Confirms what we already know though. He holds the ball because he can't process what is developing and then pull the trigger fast enough. He is a sh*t nfl qb 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FactsOnly Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 Nobody open shouts to Tony Romo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FactsOnly Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 10 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: When Hackett said "we underestimated Parsons" in the quick game it was obviously him covering up for Zach holding the ball too long. There is zero chance an NFL offensive coordinator watches hours and hours of film on a defense and underestimates what laymen can plainly see at home. There is definitely not zero chance of that you give these bum coaches too much credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 50 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Zach Wilson taking more time to throw than any QB in the league so he can check it down. Shock collar with a timer is the only way to fix him. Maybe because he can't read the field and doesn't need to be rushed as often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 51 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Zach Wilson taking more time to throw than any QB in the league so he can check it down. Shock collar with a timer is the only way to fix him. Seabiscuit against War Horse. Use a fire engine bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 There were no excuses outside of injuries around him last year and there are definitely zero excuses for Zach now. It's done, it's been done, it's over. Put the kid to bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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