Where is the Woody Johnson conspiracy thread?

[Wit]

So Zach was kept on as a backup, which didn't make sense. He should have been the Tim Boyle of the team and learning with almost no chance to play. Now he is getting a full run this year, as if he is still a rookie. 

Is this simply Woody giving his JetBlue buddy one final chance and figuring he has Rodgers next year and a top 5 pick/QB if Zach continue to stink.

Coaches and GM know they are safe, they just have to pretend to care for the team and the fans. 

[Rich Thornburgh]

The plan is to blame everything on Saleh for this season.  Rodgers is telling woody he will be back next season and to stick with Zach.  Woody is too close to Zach’s family.  
 

honestly this organization is so stupid and inept I think we end up with a top 3 draft pick and don’t draft one of these blue chip QBs

[All Gas No Substance]

Yea woody is going to sabotage his multi billion dollar franchise to appease his buddy who owns a couple hundred million dollars of jet blue stock. 
 

Also, im sure uncle Wilson would rather see Zach be booed and ridiculed for his play vs sitting on the bench “learning”

[varjet]

The Jets were just lazy, optimistic and stupid and could not tell Woody that the QB they were paying $9mm/year to could not even be backup to Aaron Rodgers, who started 17 games last year.  

What could go wrong?

Well…it went wrong.  And now they are paying the price.  

I am sure Woody cast a “what do you mean we have to spend $3mm+ for a QB2 when we have Zach Wilson” vibe.   

[Creepy Lurker]

1 hour ago, All Gas No Substance said:

Yea woody is going to sabotage his multi billion dollar franchise to appease his buddy who owns a couple hundred million dollars of jet blue stock. 
 

Also, im sure uncle Wilson would rather see Zach be booed and ridiculed for his play vs sitting on the bench “learning”

Maybe Zach’s uncle hates him and this is EXACTLY what he wants. 

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, All Gas No Substance said:

Yea woody is going to sabotage his multi billion dollar franchise

Only 1 team wins every year, the others are not failing businesses. 
 

[oatmeal]

1 hour ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

The plan is to blame everything on Saleh for this season.  Rodgers is telling woody he will be back next season and to stick with Zach.  Woody is too close to Zach’s family.  
 

honestly this organization is so stupid and inept I think we end up with a top 3 draft pick and don’t draft one of these blue chip QBs

This

But

WHEN we end up with that too 3 pick and IF the jets pass on Caleb or Maye

idk what I will do 

PLUS

the fat man blows, no way on gods green earth should he be allowed to draft another QB for any nfl franchise let alone ours.

 

[SoJetsy]

The Jets are the sorry ass team that stupid fans will still support, why because people love hope, we love underdogs, we root for the Bum to get his sh*t together……….and we spend money on this sh*t!. Until we say no more……..

[static14]

[Warfish]

5 hours ago, Wit said:

Is this simply Woody giving his JetBlue buddy....

I know if I was conspiring to give my much poorer buddy who founded one of my advertisers but left them over a decade ago something, it would definitely be screwing my own team over by forcing his nephew to play QB, then benching him, then replacing him with Rodgers, then playin him again, then benching him again, and in doing so making him potentially the worst bust QB in NFL history. 

Makes total sense.  Grassy Knoll, Woody, with Zach's arm, killed JFK.

[Beerfish]

Woody has almost nothing to do with the state of the team.  This is all on Douglas and Saleh. 

[The Crusher]

53 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

This

But

WHEN we end up with that too 3 pick and IF the jets pass on Caleb or Maye

idk what I will do 

PLUS

the fat man blows, no way on gods green earth should he be allowed to draft another QB for any nfl franchise let alone ours.

 

*that

[southparkcpa]

2 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

The plan is to blame everything on Saleh for this season.  Rodgers is telling woody he will be back next season and to stick with Zach.  Woody is too close to Zach’s family.  
 

honestly this organization is so stupid and inept I think we end up with a top 3 draft pick and don’t draft one of these blue chip QBs

It’s happened many times… we passed on Russel Wilson, Mahommes, Watson and the list goes on.  

[Ron Rico]

There's no conspiracy, it's right in front of your ******* face.

[Butterfield]

Or maybe the Jets tried desperately to get better, by signing the one player they thought could do that, and they had bad luck and the guy got injured.  Not much that can be done about it now.  Almost any team would be in trouble if their starting qb went down week 1.  

[Ron Rico]

33 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Woody has almost nothing to do with the state of the team.  

He's just the owner who hires every employee and signs the check. 

[Beerfish]

2 minutes ago, Ron Rico said:

He's just the owner who hires every employee and signs the check. 

So what?   He hired a coach and gm and now people are doing the normal blame it on woody when he is not making roster decisions or deciding who plays or who to draft.

The current state of the jets is all on saleh and douglas

[Ron Rico]

2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

 

The current state of the jets is all on saleh and douglas

Right. His employees. He hired them.

Who'd he hire before that? And before that? 

[rex-n-effect]

The conspiracy is hilarious. If we're talking about some low level front office job Woody handed off to an investor of an advertiser with the team, sure that's plausible. Thinking Woody feels such loyalty to somebody who isn't involved in the advertiser's business that he's staking his entire multi-billion dollar business on letting a nepotism draft pick be the face of the franchise is beyond absurd. 

Much, much more believable that Woody, Douglas and Saleh made the decision to go all-in on Rodgers. If ZW came in for a couple games, no big deal. If Rodgers went down for the entire season, they decided to see if a Rodgers-mentored ZW could hang in there. When Rodgers went down in the first drive of the first game, they very likely decided to roll with the same plan knowing if the season is a bust they'll just have a great first round pick to work with. It's the least servicing to the fans but that doesn't mean it's not the decision they made. 

[Matt39]

13 hours ago, rex-n-effect said:

The conspiracy is hilarious. If we're talking about some low level front office job Woody handed off to an investor of an advertiser with the team, sure that's plausible. Thinking Woody feels such loyalty to somebody who isn't involved in the advertiser's business that he's staking his entire multi-billion dollar business on letting a nepotism draft pick be the face of the franchise is beyond absurd. 

Much, much more believable that Woody, Douglas and Saleh made the decision to go all-in on Rodgers. If ZW came in for a couple games, no big deal. If Rodgers went down for the entire season, they decided to see if a Rodgers-mentored ZW could hang in there. When Rodgers went down in the first drive of the first game, they very likely decided to roll with the same plan knowing if the season is a bust they'll just have a great first round pick to work with. It's the least servicing to the fans but that doesn't mean it's not the decision they made. 

https://elitesportsny.com/2023/09/20/jets-woody-johnson-is-begging-people-to-give-donald-trump-money/amp/

you know who has a lot of money ?

[Warfish]

45 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

https://elitesportsny.com/2023/09/20/jets-woody-johnson-is-begging-people-to-give-donald-trump-money/amp/

you know who has a lot of money ?

Oh, so now it's Woody-gives-Zach-the-Job in order to lure Neeleman to donate to Trump?

Why is it, do you think, that Woody would need to incite him via Zach-as-QB-bribery to do that, rather than him just doing that? 

[bonkertons]

They drafted Zach 2nd overall two years ago.  They were never going to write off that kind of investment after 2 seasons.  Even the biggest bust of all time Jamarcus Russell got nearly 3 years before it was a wrap.  Even Ryan Leaf spent 3 years on the Chargers before getting cut.  Teams typically don't move on from top-2 picks that quickly, even if it looks like they are absolute trash. 

 

The main reason is probably because they cost more to cut than they do to keep.  Even next year if the Jets can't trade Wilson, they gain ZERO cap relief from cutting him.  Only difference is he won't be more expensive to cut.  Part of the problem that comes with missing on top picks, they are expensive - even on their rookie deals.  

[Matt39]

19 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Oh, so now it's Woody-gives-Zach-the-Job in order to lure Neeleman to donate to Trump?

Why is it, do you think, that Woody would need to incite him via Zach-as-QB-bribery to do that, rather than him just doing that? 

Why did Joe put his son on an energy board. I don’t know why these people do these things but they do happen all of the time.

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

Well here’s what we know….

1. Tebow: we know Rex didn’t want him because he didn’t want to play him. You think Tanny made this trade without consulting Rex? This was a woody Johnson move. 
 

2. trading revis: From Jason La Canfora: "Johnson has made it very clear he would like to pursue a means to reap rewards for Revis now, sources said, and it is likely to be an immediate part of Idzik's initial job duties."  
 

“Johnson is worried the Jets won't be able to re-sign Revis and wants options.”

he was also a driving force in resigning revis a few years later.

 https://www.nfl.com/news/woody-johnson-meddles-with-darrelle-revis-decision-0ap1000000130427

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/meddling-owner-puts-jets-in-an-awkward-spot

 

3. Woody forced saleh to get rid of Lafleur and make offensive changes

4. JD and staff apparently really wanted Derek Carr but woody was infatuated with the possibility of landing Aaron rodgers.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nbcsports.com/fantasy/football/matthew-berry/nfl/news/article-matthew-berrys-nfl-combine-buzz-23-most-interesting-things-i-heard-combine

this is just a few examples of woody johnson meddling with his toy.

Is it far fetched to believe that he is friends with the Wilson family and likes Zach Wilson? Woody doesn’t want to get rid of him. 

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

Why did Joe put his son on an energy board.

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

I don’t know why these people do these things but they do happen all of the time.

You might want to turn off FOX News mate. 

Or maybe it's Newsmax these days for guys like you.  

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

You might want to turn off FOX News mate. 

Or maybe it's Newsmax these days for guys like you.  

I know you know that influence peddling in politics is everywhere. We all see your gaslighting as well. It’s ok though.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

45 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Well here’s what we know….

1. Tebow: we know Rex didn’t want him because he didn’t want to play him. You think Tanny made this trade without consulting Rex? This was a woody Johnson move. 
 

2. trading revis: From Jason La Canfora: "Johnson has made it very clear he would like to pursue a means to reap rewards for Revis now, sources said, and it is likely to be an immediate part of Idzik's initial job duties."  
 

“Johnson is worried the Jets won't be able to re-sign Revis and wants options.”

he was also a driving force in resigning revis a few years later.

 https://www.nfl.com/news/woody-johnson-meddles-with-darrelle-revis-decision-0ap1000000130427

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/meddling-owner-puts-jets-in-an-awkward-spot

 

3. Woody forced saleh to get rid of Lafleur and make offensive changes

4. JD and staff apparently really wanted Derek Carr but woody was infatuated with the possibility of landing Aaron rodgers.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nbcsports.com/fantasy/football/matthew-berry/nfl/news/article-matthew-berrys-nfl-combine-buzz-23-most-interesting-things-i-heard-combine

this is just a few examples of woody johnson meddling with his toy.

Is it far fetched to believe that he is friends with the Wilson family and likes Zach Wilson? Woody doesn’t want to get rid of him. 

People think Woody is involved in way too much lol. It's pretty funny. Sure he has influence on the bigger moves, but telling Saleh to get rid of Lafluer? No. 

They WERE initially going to go with Carr but then Rodgers showed his interest and that turned all their heads. Was not a Woody only thing.

[JagsFanJif]

19 hours ago, All Gas No Substance said:

Yea woody is going to sabotage his multi billion dollar franchise to appease his buddy who owns a couple hundred million dollars of jet blue stock. 
 

Also, im sure uncle Wilson would rather see Zach be booed and ridiculed for his play vs sitting on the bench “learning”

The Jets have the longest active playoff drought in major sports and are middle of the pack for team profitability in the NFL.  All you have to do is keep the lights on and run a somewhat ethical operation and you will print money owning an NFL team right now, wins and losses do not matter.

And your last comment, not sure if you're being sarcastic but I honestly wonder if that's true?  This cant be fun for his family.  He's the biggest joke in the NFL and going to be remembered as one of the biggest busts ever.  I think that would awful to watch as a parent/uncle, etc, like I'd be proud he made it but I'd also be like, you know Zach, there is a nice corner office w/ a view waiting for you here at Jet Blue.

 

[jetblue95]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Oh, so now it's Woody-gives-Zach-the-Job in order to lure Neeleman to donate to Trump?

Why is it, do you think, that Woody would need to incite him via Zach-as-QB-bribery to do that, rather than him just doing that? 

if you search the internet, neeleman has very little history of being a major political donor.

the closest i could find to him being a vocal advocate for a candidate was when he supported his fellow mormon mitt romney in 2012.  last i checked, the "romney wing" of the party and the "trump wing" are about as tight as jets fans are with bill belichick.

i think neeleman actually donated to martin o'malley's presidential campaign in 2016 (for those that don't know, o'malley is a former democratic governor of maryland).

but yeah, woody is forcing them to stick with zach to get money from neeleman for trump...

[Warfish]

22 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

We all see your gaslighting as well. It’s ok though.

Yeah mate, got it.  

[dbatesman]

19 hours ago, All Gas No Substance said:

Yea woody is going to sabotage his multi billion dollar franchise to appease his buddy who owns a couple hundred million dollars of jet blue stock. 

Woody paid $635 million for the Jets in 2000. In his 23-plus seasons as owner, the team is 162-211, with six playoff appearances and one division title. The franchise is now estimated to be worth over $6 billion.

[Matt39]

6 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

if you search the internet, neeleman has very little history of being a major political donor.

the closest i could find to him being a vocal advocate for a candidate was when he supported his fellow mormon mitt romney in 2012.  last i checked, the "romney wing" of the party and the "trump wing" are about as tight as jets fans are with bill belichick.

i think neeleman actually donated to martin o'malley's presidential campaign in 2016 (for those that don't know, o'malley is a former democratic governor of maryland).

but yeah, woody is forcing them to stick with zach to get money from neeleman for trump...

Woody was a major supporter of Romney too. Trump is going to be the nominee so the relevance of that seems small. The major rich people generally donate to the left anyways, so the pool of people (a smaller pool) Woody needs to hit are former Romney guys anyways. 
 

and to everyone whining about conspiracies this is exactly how political fundraising works 

[jetblue95]

6 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Woody was a major supporter of Romney too. Trump is going to be the nominee so the relevance of that seems small. The major rich people generally donate to the left anyways, so the pool of people (a smaller pool) Woody needs to hit are former Romney guys anyways. 

there is nothing to suggest neeleman is actually a big time republican donor.

https://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/david-neeleman.asp?cycle=08

 

 

[Matt39]

20 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

there is nothing to suggest neeleman is actually a big time republican donor.

https://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/david-neeleman.asp?cycle=08

 

 

individual campaign donations are capped no

[jetblue95]

47 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

individual campaign donations are capped no

he has given under $200,000 over a 20 year period, the largest of which was $78,300 to a Romney PAC in 2012.

in 2016, he gave a total of $2,700 - to the presidential campaign of the former democratic governor of maryland

in 2020, he didn't donate anything

but yeah, he's the big money woody is chasing to support trump, even at the risk of imploding his football team by playing the guys nephew

you've convinced me...