TNJet Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 In my opinion Keith Carter is the problem with the oline. His unit is underachieving badly and totally unprepared. We haven't had a good offensive line coach since Steve Marshall was here in the Bowles era. Pollock sucked as well. Most talented unit? No way but hardly the least talented. Why aren't we playing Max Mitchell at RT? Where's Carter Warren been? Dudes talented and much needed now that Brown is down. Oline should look as follows: Becton/Tomlinson/Tippman/AVT/Mitchell. Yes, Mcgovern is absent because he has been the biggest liability in the run game for about 3 years. He should be a backup G at this point. We need a rotation of Max, Carter W., and Turner at RT and its a no brainer. AVT is a probowl G, don't mess him up at T where he is less valuable. Mitchell played well as a rookie last season there's no reason he shouldn't be even better in his sophomore year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JiFtheOracle Posted September 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2023 Warren is on IR I believe and Mitchell isn’t good. And the line up that was in there, should be the line up moving forward. They played well, Becton is way better than Brown at this point in his career and AVT is a stud at RT. Best blitz pick ups I’ve seen in awhile on Sunday. Really played well in the second half. And isnt Zach averaging the most time to throw in the NFL? Everything is hard to assess when the worst QB in league history is behind Center. IMO The OL was fine on Sunday. People realize pressure is like a thing in the NFL, right? Like players get paid millions to sack the QB and by golly gee, sacks and pressures happen every week in every game to every QB but it’s the death kneel for the Jets because?!?! Zach Wilson sucks donkey balls. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ex-Rex Posted September 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, JiF said: Warren is on IR I believe and Mitchell isn’t good. And the line up that was in there, should be the line up moving forward. They played well, Becton is way better than Brown at this point in his career and AVT is a stud at RT. Best blitz pick ups I’ve seen in awhile on Sunday. Really played well in the second half. And isnt Zach averaging the most time to throw in the NFL? Everything is hard to assess when the worst QB in league history is behind Center. IMO The OL was fine on Sunday. People realize pressure is like a thing in the NFL, right? Like players get paid millions to sack the QB and by golly gee, sacks and pressures happen every week in every game to every QB but it’s the death kneel for the Jets because?!?! Zach Wilson sucks donkey balls. Holds the ball like it was his mom's bestie. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 The OL isn’t great but if defenses had any respect for ZW at all it would competently change how they play us and they’d look much better. My two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudcat22 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 We couldn't run the ball last week. OL has to take blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 this was a combination of things that all built off of each other. Not in order, but all major contributors Coaching staff called extremely conservative game plan, Patriots expected it, Patriots defended the run and short passing game, jets made zero adjustments ZW is not good, and when you put him in bad situations hes worse Oline is not very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 The OL would look better with a QB that can rid of the ball on time - but they are still bad. QB is the bigger problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: The OL would look better with a QB that can rid of the batll on time - but they are still bad. QB is the bigger problem. QB, OL and playcalling all suck and work together to create a bad offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 Bottom line is you can’t run an NFL offense without a quarterback. This is the Jets’ predicament. Deflecting blame — justifiable or not — to other areas won’t change the fact that Zach Wilson sucks, that he is the worst starting QB in the NFL and has been the worst the last 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 I think the issues with the Jets OL go beyond Carter. It's their philosophy of how to handle OL in the offseason that seems to be a problem. When you have guys that are constantly on pitch counts or rotating in different spots or not participating in training camp/preseason at all, how can you have a cohesive group? I get it- they want to avoid injuries especially after what happened last year, but maybe they're taking too cautious of an approach? Becton, AVT, and Tomlinson probably participated in 50% of training camp at most. McGovern, Tippmann, Schweitzer, and Colon constantly rotated. Brown logged 0% of the snaps. When you run a ZBS that is predicated on chemistry and timing, how can these guys line up and be on the same page when they've barely played together? Some coaches are better at getting it out of them regardless, but I still think a lot of it has to do with how the Jets as an organization prepare their lineman... same was the case last year and it took 4-5 weeks before they could knock the rust off and get into a rhythm. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudcat22 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 A big problem is that in the off season JD went for Quantity rather quality on his OL signings. The guys he added all sucked and were primarily backups. Haven't we learned that most backups we sign are incapable of playing when the starter is injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkertons Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 It's crazy to me how many people seem to not know how football works, or don't understand what they're watching. Defense stacks the box against us because they know our QB is incapable of beating them: "what chance does Zach have? Our run blocking is terrible!". Zach gets sacked after holding the ball for 5 seconds and panic runs into a defender: "look at this!!! No protection!!" I've almost smashed my head against a wall several times reading comments here and on youtube/twitter/whatever. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevys Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 hour ago, mudcat22 said: We couldn't run the ball last week. OL has to take blame. Blame the OL? New England was stacking the box, knowing ZW wasn't going to challenge them on first down. Blame Hackett, that dude is turning out to be a bigger turd than LeFleur, as incredibly difficult as that is to believe. Pass protection held up fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 I am not a fan of Keith Carter, but I don't think the line is the issue. I guess we will find out soon enough. It will be interesting if a crappy, but borderline competent QB, like Siemian, can complete some passes and open up the run game. If teams were cheating up like this on me I would be changing plays at the line until you thought I was Daryle Lamonica. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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