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Not much there. Sounds atypical to what happens to bad teams. Saleh talks a good game but we have no idea what really goes on, how intense practices are or even what Saleh’s actual work ethic is. I thought the DC came off as pretty embarrassing on HK.

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Hopes were high for the 2023 New York Jets. After the trade for quarterback Aaron Rodgers, many thought the franchise would contend in the very competitive AFC East and make a deep run through the playoffs. A Super Bowl appearance? Many thought it was possible, as the hype machine wound into full gear.

Yet just four snaps into their first offensive possession of the season, the dream quickly died. Now the finger pointing begins.

The first shot was fired yesterday when ESPN's Rich Cimini reported that the situation in the Jets locker room is getting ugly, as players accused Robert Saleh of being an apologist for quarterback Zach Wilson, who the head coach continues to defend. Yet after multiple conversations with sources, I’ve found the problem runs much deeper.

 

 

Aaron Rodgers getting hit during Buffalo Bills v New York Jets Aaron Rodgers getting hit during Buffalo Bills v New York Jets

Jets locker room panicking after Aaron Rodgers' injury

Hearing from multiple players, I’m told there is a feeling of dread in the Jets locker room, and it is not a good vibe. Zach Wilson spectacle aside, several players have admitted they don’t see the Jets winning many more games this season without Rodgers behind center. No one specifically said the season is over despite their attitude.

Some have complained it’s more of the same on offense, with quarterback Zach Wilson being just a portion of the problem. There have been complaints about the game planning, the coaching (especially the offensive line and running backs coach) and the fact that the team put all their eggs into one basket -- Aaron Rodgers -- and when he went down there was no backup plan.

Saleh himself is part of the problem, according to several of the players.

Robert Saleh facing locker room scrutiny Robert Saleh facing locker room scrutiny

Prior to the start of the season, sources in the building told me that Saleh was trying too hard to inject himself as a team leader rather than just letting things develop internally. The players loved what Aaron Rodgers was preaching and completely bought into their new quarterback as the team leader.

Linebacker C.J. Mosley was the one on defense that the players looked up to, or at least the ones I’ve heard from. According to many people, Saleh tried to imprint his leadership on the team when it really wasn’t necessary.

As of today, I am told many of the players never really bought into what Saleh has been selling. They’re not confident in his leadership as a head coach, especially after last year’s collapse. The Jets lost their final six games and eight of the last 10 after a 5-2 start. In two years as Jets head coach, Saleh has yet to deliver a winning season.

Then there’s quarterback Zach Wilson. Yesterday’s report from Cimini should come as no surprise to anyone. Just weeks after their final regular-season game, a loss to the Miami Dolphins, I reported players were telling Saleh and general manager Joe Douglas during exit interviews that they needed to move on from Wilson and look for another starting quarterback, which the franchise did in acquiring Rodgers.

Yet even with the team’s thrilling Week 1 victory over the Buffalo Bills, attitudes and beliefs about Wilson were not about to change on a dime.

The schedule doesn’t get any easier for Gang Green. Their opponents over the next five weeks include the Kansas City Chiefs, Philadelphia Eagles and Los Angeles Chargers. A victory here and there could change attitudes, otherwise people I’ve spoken with expect the situation to go from bad to worse.

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JD has had a terrible QB room since he got here. Zach’s rookie season he didn’t bother to get a veteran backup to groom him.  The QB room that year had 6 total starts. 
 

Whoever is behind the plan, the plan is for Rodgers to get 2 years and Zach to take over after he is gone 

Saleh has done a terrible job communicating the plan, getting buy in and leading the team. 
 

Rono said on the broadcast something like “I mentioned to coach Saleh that the way to help a young QB is to throw on first down but coach Saleh said he likes to establish the run “

the 82 yard drive they let him throw on first down and you could actually see his confidence grow. 
 

naturally belicheat adjusted and a good playcalller would have run on the next first down but they threw and got sacked if I remember correctly. Romo even said “that’s the time you run it”

 

Saleh has to let Zach throw on first down, and Hack needs to be better all around but definitely in calling a game based on what the defense is doing. 
 

It’s a mess, Zach stinks , but he stinks less when he’s not running into stacked boxes and throwing against pressure. 

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JOKE IS ON YOU TONY PAULINE WE ARE AN RPO TEAM NOW
 

 

Linebacker C.J. Mosley was the one on defense that the players looked up to, or at least the ones I’ve heard from. According to many people, Saleh tried to imprint his leadership on the team when it really wasn’t necessary.

As of today, I am told many of the players never really bought into what Saleh has been selling. They’re not confident in his leadership as a head coach, especially after last year’s collapse. The Jets lost their final six games and eight of the last 10 after a 5-2 start. In two years as Jets head coach, Saleh has yet to deliver a winning season.

Then there’s quarterback Zach Wilson. Yesterday’s report from Cimini should come as no surprise to anyone. Just weeks after their final regular-season game, a loss to the Miami Dolphins, I reported players were telling Saleh and general manager Joe Douglas during exit interviews that they needed to move on from Wilson and look for another starting quarterback, which the franchise did in acquiring Rodgers.

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7 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

Two common themes amidst all the rumors are that wilson needs to go and that the coaches suck.  Both will be gone after the season. 

All roads lead back to the Jets rehiring Rex.

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43 minutes ago, Bronx said:

Hopes were high for the 2023 New York Jets. After the trade for quarterback Aaron Rodgers, many thought the franchise would contend in the very competitive AFC East and make a deep run through the playoffs. A Super Bowl appearance? Many thought it was possible, as the hype machine wound into full gear.

Yet just four snaps into their first offensive possession of the season, the dream quickly died. Now the finger pointing begins.

The first shot was fired yesterday when ESPN's Rich Cimini reported that the situation in the Jets locker room is getting ugly, as players accused Robert Saleh of being an apologist for quarterback Zach Wilson, who the head coach continues to defend. Yet after multiple conversations with sources, I’ve found the problem runs much deeper.

 

 

Aaron Rodgers getting hit during Buffalo Bills v New York Jets Aaron Rodgers getting hit during Buffalo Bills v New York Jets

Jets locker room panicking after Aaron Rodgers' injury

Hearing from multiple players, I’m told there is a feeling of dread in the Jets locker room, and it is not a good vibe. Zach Wilson spectacle aside, several players have admitted they don’t see the Jets winning many more games this season without Rodgers behind center. No one specifically said the season is over despite their attitude.

Some have complained it’s more of the same on offense, with quarterback Zach Wilson being just a portion of the problem. There have been complaints about the game planning, the coaching (especially the offensive line and running backs coach) and the fact that the team put all their eggs into one basket -- Aaron Rodgers -- and when he went down there was no backup plan.

Saleh himself is part of the problem, according to several of the players.

Robert Saleh facing locker room scrutiny Robert Saleh facing locker room scrutiny

Prior to the start of the season, sources in the building told me that Saleh was trying too hard to inject himself as a team leader rather than just letting things develop internally. The players loved what Aaron Rodgers was preaching and completely bought into their new quarterback as the team leader.

Linebacker C.J. Mosley was the one on defense that the players looked up to, or at least the ones I’ve heard from. According to many people, Saleh tried to imprint his leadership on the team when it really wasn’t necessary.

As of today, I am told many of the players never really bought into what Saleh has been selling. They’re not confident in his leadership as a head coach, especially after last year’s collapse. The Jets lost their final six games and eight of the last 10 after a 5-2 start. In two years as Jets head coach, Saleh has yet to deliver a winning season.

Then there’s quarterback Zach Wilson. Yesterday’s report from Cimini should come as no surprise to anyone. Just weeks after their final regular-season game, a loss to the Miami Dolphins, I reported players were telling Saleh and general manager Joe Douglas during exit interviews that they needed to move on from Wilson and look for another starting quarterback, which the franchise did in acquiring Rodgers.

Yet even with the team’s thrilling Week 1 victory over the Buffalo Bills, attitudes and beliefs about Wilson were not about to change on a dime.

The schedule doesn’t get any easier for Gang Green. Their opponents over the next five weeks include the Kansas City Chiefs, Philadelphia Eagles and Los Angeles Chargers. A victory here and there could change attitudes, otherwise people I’ve spoken with expect the situation to go from bad to worse.

Thanks.

Personally, I would put zero stock in this. He’s inferring that he’s getting all of this info from multiple players, as if they’re all clamoring to talk to him.

Laughable.

 

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@Maxman whatever it changes we’re made last weekend, can they be applied again?

I think another 2 day outage could be a good thing to calm this place down and weed out some of the click/bait posts/threads that have been popping up

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The way the 2023 Jets were constructed in terms of player personnel and offensive coaching choices - it was a fantasy football dream, a house of cards waiting for a September breeze.

Aaron Rodgers would avoid direct blame for this tire fire by getting hurt after a few plays. The core mistakes were made in drafting and in being blind to the reality of signing aging players even if one of them is a hall of fame qb.

Rodgers looked (and looks) unusually aged for 39 years. For all his past greatness, his destiny was written before he took a snap in training camp.

Watching this team this year, yes the qb play is abysmal but the coaching on offense looks rudderless.

On what planet was hiring Hackett okay? Because Rodgers would ultimately hold everyone accountable? 

Despite the embarrassment, I guess they will manage another 4-6 wins based on personnel talent, but Douglas and Saleh have had enough rope by now.  It's time to start scouting GM and coaching talent.

 

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Cimini and Pauline "reports" are correct but they are also similar to the following:

  • I'm actively watching a building on fire
  • I "report" that "My internal sources in the building are scared of dying and actively looking to escape. If I had to guess and I don't because I have a lot of real sources....sources suggest that the fire department are possibly to arrive in the next hour or so. 
  • Actually calling myself a journalist with a straight face
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Not buying what Pauline is saying about Saleh, that's a stretch. No one in a lockerroom talks about a head coach like that. Who said that they don't buy Saleh? Becton? Tippman? the Williams Bros? Garrett Wilson? Sauce? J-W? Doesn't pass the smell test

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How often does a $6 billion NFL team basically hand over its operations to a single player?  Maybe the Bucs and Brady were close.  

How many times has a GM picked a QB in the top 3 who was a colossal failure, and actually survived cutting that QB?  Not very often-Lynch may be one, but he countered with Purdy.  Smart. 

We know how this is ending.  The only question is what happens in 2024.  We know no one will be here in 2025.  

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2 hours ago, Vader said:

Not buying what Pauline is saying about Saleh, that's a stretch. No one in a lockerroom talks about a head coach like that. Who said that they don't buy Saleh? Becton? Tippman? the Williams Bros? Garrett Wilson? Sauce? J-W? Doesn't pass the smell test

Makes perfect sense to me.

One presser from Saleh was all it took to decipher that he’s a fraud, sloganeering snake oil salesman.

The players weren’t born yesterday.

The “fiery” speeches were for Hard Knocks entertainment purposes.

Players don’t want to hear Tony Robbins type stuff.

They want to you to give them a credible plan for beating the Kansas City Chiefs.

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7 hours ago, Larz said:

JD has had a terrible QB room since he got here. Zach’s rookie season he didn’t bother to get a veteran backup to groom him.  The QB room that year had 6 total starts. 
 

Whoever is behind the plan, the plan is for Rodgers to get 2 years and Zach to take over after he is gone 

Saleh has done a terrible job communicating the plan, getting buy in and leading the team. 
 

Rono said on the broadcast something like “I mentioned to coach Saleh that the way to help a young QB is to throw on first down but coach Saleh said he likes to establish the run “

the 82 yard drive they let him throw on first down and you could actually see his confidence grow. 
 

naturally belicheat adjusted and a good playcalller would have run on the next first down but they threw and got sacked if I remember correctly. Romo even said “that’s the time you run it”

 

Saleh has to let Zach throw on first down, and Hack needs to be better all around but definitely in calling a game based on what the defense is doing. 
 

It’s a mess, Zach stinks , but he stinks less when he’s not running into stacked boxes and throwing against pressure. 

Some things I agree with.  I don’t think it was Douglas who didn’t get a qb mentor for Zach.  They had Flacco and mfw.  There was quite a bit of experience with those two.  I think the issue was milfy.  Milfy wanted a quiet qb room meaning no inside squabbling.  I think that’s why Cavanaugh left.  And saleh is a fool if he thinks he can be the leader of any part of the team.  Sure he’s the head coach but he, being management, will never have the trust of the players. He got lucky this year with the jets bringing in Rodgers because here is a guy who demands immediate respect. The players will listen to him right off.  And one of the downsides is saleh didn’t have to learn a thing about offenses.  The comment about him wanting to run on first down to establish the run game is telling.  There are other ways to do it besides telegraphing run plays.

 As for Zach, he needs to get into a rhythm. He needs to have one read throws so he can get rid of the ball quickly.  The receivers need to do a better job of getting open early and then catching the ball.  And if they are successful passing then they can start running and using play action.

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