Trading for Rodgers was idiotic and some version of this outcome was VERY predictable

[JohnnyLV]

DISCLAIMER before @jetsfan80 @jgb and others lose their mind. I did not think Zach should have been the starter this year.

I was ALWAYS against the Rodgers trade

He is a HOF QB. He would certainly make us more competitive, even elite but the cost was prohibitive, the changes dramatic and the risk astronomical.

Rodgers is a 39 year old QB that clearly regressed thumb or no last year and laid a complete egg against Detroit in the final game.

Outside of Brady, NFL QBs fall off a cliff at that age. And their bodies just start to break down.

To get Rodgers we had to:

1.  Give up more than a first in draft capital

2.  Commit to $110 million over 2 years (now only $75 million)

3. Sign a specific OC whose only real value is to lure Rodgers

4. Sign Lazard (who sucks)

5. Sign Cobb (who is ancient and sucks)

6. Sign a very mediocre backup QB to help teach one of the most complex offenses in the league

Then the Jets decided to keep Zach as the backup (with full Rodgers approval)

I never ever expected Rodgers to last the season, or perform anywhere near his previous capability. 

I thought he would last more than 4 plays though. I actually predicted 5-12 under Rodgers and we might wind up worst than that.

So the inevitable happened and we are left with

1. Zack Wilson

2. $75 million against the cap

3. Misguided hope that next year Rodgers will be the savior

4. A crappy OC and 3 crappy players

5. A cappy head coach

Such an idiotic move. The Favre trade was OK. Small compensation, single year commitment.

New coach and GM in 2025 I guess.

 

 

 

[Barkus]

It was a huge risk for sure. Woody likes the shiny objects. Will restart the perpetual rebuild in 2025

[Saul Goodman]

It gets worse. The team will be relying on an even older Aaron Rodgers next season.

[LIJetsFan]

11 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said:

DISCLAIMER before @jetsfan80 @jgb and others lose their mind. I did not think Zach should have been the starter this year.

I was ALWAYS against the Rodgers trade

He is a HOF QB. He would certainly make us more competitive, even elite but the cost was prohibitive, the changes dramatic and the risk astronomical.

Rodgers is a 39 year old QB that clearly regressed thumb or no last year and laid a complete egg against Detroit in the final game.

Outside of Brady, NFL QBs fall off a cliff at that age. And their bodies just start to break down.

To get Rodgers we had to:

1.  Give up more than a first in draft capital

2.  Commit to $110 million over 2 years (now only $75 million)

3. Sign a specific OC whose only real value is to lure Rodgers

4. Sign Lazard (who sucks)

5. Sign Cobb (who is ancient and sucks)

6. Sign a very mediocre backup QB to help teach one of the most complex offenses in the league

Then the Jets decided to keep Zach as the backup (with full Rodgers approval)

I never ever expected Rodgers to last the season, or perform anywhere near his previous capability. 

I thought he would last more than 4 plays though. I actually predicted 5-12 under Rodgers and we might wind up worst than that.

So the inevitable happened and we are left with

1. Zack Wilson

2. $75 million against the cap

3. Misguided hope that next year Rodgers will be the savior

4. A crappy OC and 3 crappy players

5. A cappy head coach

Such an idiotic move. The Favre trade was OK. Small compensation, single year commitment.

New coach and GM in 2025 I guess.

 

 

 

Pretty good post except Lazard doesn't suck.  

[Zachtomims47]

Yeah, should've totally seen him popping his Achilles on an awkward bad tackle. Always happens when you're close to 40. I prefer the strength of a younger calf.

[THE BARON]

21 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said:

 

New coach and GM in 2025 I guess.

 

 

 

Not if it was Woody that insisted on Rodgers,  And it was.  And he sold tickets to those who can not get a refund. 

[Bronx]

22 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said:

I was ALWAYS against the Rodgers trade

Come out and confess fellas! @Joe W. Namath  

BTW, I was not either pro or con, but I thought that Carr would have been a better choice due his team-friendly contract and draft capital retention. 

[bonkertons]

Couldn't disagree more.  Jets needed a guy who could do two things:  be good enough to make them a legit contender right now, and be short-term enough to bridge the gap from Zach to the next drafted QB.  Rodgers was really the only guy that made sense if the Jets wanted to win these next couple of years.  Was Tannehill that guy?  Jimmy G?  Gardner Minshew(lol)?  If we got Carr, he was going to be the guy for a long time.  They obviously weren't sold on him being a SB-caliber QB.  Either way, he's hurt too. 

 

By the time our top guys start demanding top dollars, Rodgers will be gone.  I really don't care about his cap number.  I care about his term.  By the time Garrett, Breece, Sauce, AVT, JJ, McDonald, Tippmann truly get PAID, we should - in theory - have a QB1 on his rookie contract.  

 

He got hurt.  It sucks, but it happened.  I don't see how it changes the big picture though.  Go get your Zach replacement and plant him behind Rodgers next year.  Bring in Tannehill as well or whatever cheap backup you prefer.  All you have to do is not **** up the draft pick, which is easier said than done.

[UntouchableCrew]

Certainly plenty of truth there but I think it was a risk worth taking and the extreme negative outcome could have avoided by doing what obviously should have been done — dumping Zach Wilson for pennies on the dollar and signing a real backup QB.

In terms of appeasing Rodgers the only legitimate lasting damage is that we’re stuck with Hackett (Mike LaFluer runs circles around this guy) but that was kind of an essential piece if the Rodgers thing was going to work.

But yeah, I’m coming to terms with the fact that we’re completely F’d. We’re stuck with the corpse of Rodgers and Hackett in 2024 and who knows how many of the young pieces on this team will he revolting and requesting trades by then. We won’t be bad enough to get a top lock and will probably go 6-11 and pick 11th. Draft some bust LT and rinse/repeat for next year.

Same old story. Different day.

[BigRy56]

Trading for Rodgers was the only move that would’ve put the Jets in the conversation that they were in heading into the season. That move has to happen 100/100 times if possible

[Bronx]

31 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said:

DISCLAIMER before @jetsfan80 @jgb and others lose their mind. I did not think Zach should have been the starter this year.

I was ALWAYS against the Rodgers trade

He is a HOF QB. He would certainly make us more competitive, even elite but the cost was prohibitive, the changes dramatic and the risk astronomical.

Rodgers is a 39 year old QB that clearly regressed thumb or no last year and laid a complete egg against Detroit in the final game.

Outside of Brady, NFL QBs fall off a cliff at that age. And their bodies just start to break down.

To get Rodgers we had to:

1.  Give up more than a first in draft capital

2.  Commit to $110 million over 2 years (now only $75 million)

3. Sign a specific OC whose only real value is to lure Rodgers

4. Sign Lazard (who sucks)

5. Sign Cobb (who is ancient and sucks)

6. Sign a very mediocre backup QB to help teach one of the most complex offenses in the league

Then the Jets decided to keep Zach as the backup (with full Rodgers approval)

I never ever expected Rodgers to last the season, or perform anywhere near his previous capability. 

I thought he would last more than 4 plays though. I actually predicted 5-12 under Rodgers and we might wind up worst than that.

So the inevitable happened and we are left with

1. Zack Wilson

2. $75 million against the cap

3. Misguided hope that next year Rodgers will be the savior

4. A crappy OC and 3 crappy players

5. A cappy head coach

Such an idiotic move. The Favre trade was OK. Small compensation, single year commitment.

New coach and GM in 2025 I guess.

 

 

 

Thank you for the format. It is hard to know what could it have been with AR in charge. Maybe things would have been much different even with the current JAGs.  

Their biggest failure was naming Wilson the back-up immediately without QB competition.  Again, the Mike FKN White scenario all over again, even if it was for the backup spot. Heck, do they have amnesia? Didn't they pull WIlson for Streveler? The entire management needs to be accountable, even if Woody had his fingers on it.  

[JagsFanJif]

With huge risk, comes huge reward.  Besides, this could happen to anyone at any age. 

The issue wasnt trading for Rodgers. The issue was backing him up w/ Zach Wilson.  

[slimjasi]

I have no issue with the Rodgers trade. They had a good roster, thought they could attract a HOF talent at QB, and went for it. No complaints from me there. 

The mistake was making Zach the backup. They talked at the end of last season about Zach needing a reset and then immediately made him the second most important player on the team. He should have been essentially red-shirted as the third string emergency QB. 

Right now, that mistake looks fatal.

[DoubleDown]

No issue with the Rodgers trade. They swung for the fences and struck out. I'd rather them take that approach than half ass their way to a mediocre result.

The entire offseason and season hinged on Rodgers coming in and having success for 2+ years. The minute he went down the entire house of cards fell.

[Barry McCockinner]

It was a high risk, high reward move. The risk part coming in sucks hard because everything was built around Rodgers and there's no parachute out of here.

Just because you don't hit on a high risk move doesn't mean it wasn't worth trying.

I like the aggressive move. Now we lay in the bed that was made.

[JagsFanJif]

Drafting Zach Wilson #2 overall based on 1 year of yolo ball in a nothing conference during the covid year in which the scheduled was even easier than normal was a huge risk and also, idiotic and predictable.  Just like to state for the record as we continue to bash trying to hit lightening in a bottle w/ an older HOF QB (it's worked a few times recently btw) who even if he was 80% of himself would be the best QB play the Jets have ever seen.

 

 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

8 minutes ago, DoubleDown said:

No issue with the Rodgers trade. They swung for the fences and struck out. I'd rather them take that approach than half ass their way to a mediocre result.

The entire offseason and season hinged on Rodgers coming in and having success for 2+ years. The minute he went down the entire house of cards fell.

But now people want to half ass their way to a mediocre result by signing Wentz or trading for Cousins rather than playing Boyle or Simian.  

[Untouchable]

The Jets would be right up there with the Chiefs, Dolphins, Bills, Eagles and Cowboys if Rodgers didn’t get hurt.

The Jets swung for the fences and I’m glad as hell that they did. We’ve had the worst QB history this side of the Chicago Bears over the last half century.

Rodgers is going to be back next year and the Jets are going to invest pretty much every available resource in the OL.

[Beerfish]

The op is totally correct in this at least in the end result.

Rodgers was always my #2 choice to Carr but the Jets just had to upgrade at QB.   The issue was that it was a MONUMENTAL risk which fans and coaches and front office never recognized or ignored becasue they all got caught up in 'hf QB!'

By getting Rodgers and how they approached it the team itself is MUCH worse than it was last year.  They did this to get the QB and now that he is out we are left with all that went along with getting him.

Our draft and FA and even loses like a guy like Corey Davis might all have been heavily influenced by other moves to appease Rodgers.

Saleh and Dogulas put all the chips on black in it came up red.

[FidelioJet]

9 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

The Jets would be right up there with the Chiefs, Dolphins, Bills, Eagles and Cowboys if Rodgers didn’t get hurt.

The Jets swung for the fences and I’m glad as hell that they did. We’ve had the worst QB history this side of the Chicago Bears over the last half century.

Rodgers is going to be back next year and the Jets are going to invest pretty much every available resource in the OL.

There is just no proof that this is true.

Based on his performance last year - they would likely still be 1-2 and on their way to down the stretch wild card race.

[NIGHT STALKER]

Buckle up because part deux of AR is right around the corner...if anyone thinks AR isn't coming back as our QB, you haven't been paying attention.

[Claymation]

Those 75 seconds was a thing of beauty.

Next year I am hoping he doubles his playing time. Wishful thinking I know, but sometimes you have to dream big.

[Larz]

I should have gotten bitcoin at $59

[Alworth]

This is going to be as cranky a post as I've ever made. I want to skip over the specific arguments as to why the poor outcome was predictable or not. Instead, let's focus on the fact that the trade was endorsed as soon as, or just before, it happened in a poll thread to a degree that some posters observed was the  closest to a consensus that the members of this board ever got. Moreover, those in opposition were mocked for their small numbers, being called "the 12" or "the 15" or whatever. To state that one knew the result all along at this point  serves no purpose other than self-congratulation. Our savvy membership analyzed the heck out of thigs before the fact. That's good enough for me. (By the way, I'm not saying how I voted because in one case I would be accused of self-congratulation, and in the other, having an axe to grind).

[Joe W. Namath]

55 minutes ago, Bronx said:

Come out and confess fellas! @Joe W. Namath  

BTW, I was not either pro or con, but I thought that Carr would have been a better choice due his team-friendly contract and draft capital retention. 

If I was GM wed have Jimmy G at qb w/ Minshew as his backup.

JSN and Will McDonald

Another player I would have picked in round 2 of this draft cause wed of had that pick.

Id have a 2nd round pick next year. 

Wed be 2-1 right now.

Id have a few extra big time free agents with the money we spent on Rodgers.

Scrubs like lazard, hardman and cobb would not be on this roster.

Dalvin Cook would not be on this roster.

Give Joe W. the reigns Woody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bonkertons]

To be fair, any disastrous outcome is always "predictable" after it happens.  You think if we signed Carr and he melted down and played like trash in the NY market, there wouldn't be people saying "who didn't see this coming?".  Or if we manage to draft Caleb Williams or Drake Maye and they bust:  "who didn't see this coming?".  Any time you combine "Jets" and "failure", it's always predictable.  

[Creepy Lurker]

1 hour ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Yeah, should've totally seen him popping his Achilles on an awkward bad tackle. Always happens when you're close to 40. I prefer the strength of a younger calf.

Well, I prefer the strength of a cow. 

[bonkertons]

4 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

If I was GM wed have Jimmy G at qb w/ Minshew as his backup.

JSN and Will McDonald

Another player I would have picked in round 2 of this draft cause wed of had that pick.

Id have a 2nd round pick next year. 

Wed be 2-1 right now.

Id have a few extra big time free agents with the money we spent on Rodgers.

Scrubs like lazard, hardman and cobb would not be on this roster.

Dalvin Cook would not be on this roster.

Give Joe W. the reigns Woody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aren't you the guy known for having like a (less than)0% success rate with your predictions?  I like those odds...you're hired.  

 

Jimmy G lol....dafuq are we even doing here?  What are we talking about?  What is the objective of this team with Jimmy G at QB?  Respectability?  Also "big time" free agents?  WHOMST????  Name names Joe.  

[Creepy Lurker]

21 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

 

Saleh and Dogulas put all the chips on black in it came up red.

I would argue that it came up brown. 

[FactsOnly]

Being out for the year 4 snaps in was something nobody expected 

[FactsOnly]

9 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

If I was GM wed have Jimmy G at qb w/ Minshew as his backup.

JSN and Will McDonald

Another player I would have picked in round 2 of this draft cause wed of had that pick.

Id have a 2nd round pick next year. 

Wed be 2-1 right now.

Id have a few extra big time free agents with the money we spent on Rodgers.

Scrubs like lazard, hardman and cobb would not be on this roster.

Dalvin Cook would not be on this roster.

Give Joe W. the reigns Woody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First round exit with Jimmy Handsome and a season ending injury

Better off praying Zach ‘gets it’ at some point during the season 

[Joe W. Namath]

3 minutes ago, bonkertons said:

Aren't you the guy known for having like a (less than)0% success rate with your predictions?  I like those odds...you're hired.  

 

Jimmy G lol....dafuq are we even doing here?  What are we talking about?  What is the objective of this team with Jimmy G at QB?  Respectability?  Also "big time" free agents?  WHOMST????  Name names Joe.  

We would have made the playoffs this year and would have addressed the qb position in next years draft.  

 

[Joe W. Namath]

Just now, FactsOnly said:

First round exit with Jimmy Handsome and a season ending injury

Better off praying Zach ‘gets it’ at some point during the season 

Has Jimmy G ever exited in the 1st round of the playoffs?  He has played in multiple nfc championship games and a Super bowl.

[bonkertons]

1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said:

We would have made the playoffs this year and would have addressed the qb position in next years draft.  

 

So essentially a bridge year.  Fantastic.  Also you realize that Jimmy is probably the most injury prone QB in the league, right?  I guess that's where Gardner Minshew comes in....Christ.  

[joewilly12]

The Jets put all their eggs in AR basket DUMB 40 yr old QB in a young fast strong NFL. Everyone is not TB. I was never in favor of AR we took a chance paid the price.