TuscanyTile2 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 If we lose Aaron Rodgers and it causes us to be a 5 win team then how talented is this roster, that most of us (including me) have said is very talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 The roster as a whole is very strong. There are obviously weak spots, and a quarterback that is severely limited in the game speed intelligence area will lose games for this team. The biggest reason for the loss last week was a broken coverage. Take that one play away and everything else played out the same way, the Jets win. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted October 1 Popular Post Share Posted October 1 5 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: If we lose Aaron Rodgers and it causes us to be a 5 win team then how talented is this roster, that most of us (including me) have said is very talented. Chiefs are a five win team without Mahomes. Jaguars don’t win a game without Lawrence. Let’s relax a bit here 10 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 I am not sold on the defense as much as others here have stated. I believe last years stats were misleading since teams really didnt need to score a lot of points to win. Just get the lead and cruise to the finish. I like a lot of the players on defense but I don't think they are near as good as advertised. With that said, there is an easy part of schedule coming up after bye where they can look lots better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetsfan4life72 Posted October 1 Popular Post Share Posted October 1 Talented team but honestly one of the weakest coaching staffs in the league. They play so vanilla and make zero adjustments. Never scheme towards their strengths or exposing opponents weaknesses. And NEVER scheme to take out their opponents best player. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TuscanyTile2 Posted October 1 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 1 Just now, jetsfan4life72 said: Talented team but honestly one of the weakest coaching staffs in the league. They play so vanilla and make zero adjustments. Never scheme towards their strengths or exposing opponents weaknesses. And NEVER scheme to take out their opponents best player. Agreed. I really think our CS is below average. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 1 Author Share Posted October 1 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Chiefs are a five win team without Mahomes. Jaguars don’t win a game without Lawrence. Let’s relax a bit here But doesn't that mean that the QB basically is the roster then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted October 1 Popular Post Share Posted October 1 Football is the ultimate team sport but QB is the most important position on the field. If you go from one of the best QB's to a QB that doesn't belong in the league it has an impact on every player and every unit. Teams play us differently because we have a dysfunctional QB. They have a different defensive game plan and don't need to take as many chances on offense. btw we won 7 games last year w/out Rodgers. We just need a functional QB to properly judge how talented the roster is. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Very. We saw it against the bills when they cared. they are discouraged now and are just going through the motions and Saleh has no idea how to handle it and will tell Hack to throw on first down when they should open the game in a hurry up attack mode. They will be playing from behind all season. The game will be over anytime an opponent gets to 14 points. J! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 QB is pretty.much the only thing that matters. For better or worse It’s the way the NFL wants it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 1 Author Share Posted October 1 5 minutes ago, Larz said: Very. We saw it against the bills when they cared. they are discouraged now and are just going through the motions and Saleh has no idea how to handle it and will tell Hack to throw on first down when they should open the game in a hurry up attack mode. They will be playing from behind all season. The game will be over anytime an opponent gets to 14 points. J! Not buying that. I think Josh Allen had a bad first week and the Bills, in general, hadn't kicked it in gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost420 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 27 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: If we lose Aaron Rodgers and it causes us to be a 5 win team then how talented is this roster, that most of us (including me) have said is very talented. The team has no QB. Hard to win games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 The QB stirs the drink 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 It’s pretty good. But as usual, we have no QB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted October 1 Popular Post Share Posted October 1 18 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: But doesn't that mean that the QB basically is the roster then? The QB is 65% of a roster. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachtomims47 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Apparently bottom 5 roster since JD sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 We're not as talented as our fans wanted to believe. Especially at WR. But the QB is the fulcrum upon which the success of a modern NFL team balances. And ours is a historic-level of horrible. Change that, and maybe we can start to really evaluate how good/bad the rest of the team is in a normal situation with a normal NFL QB. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted October 1 Popular Post Share Posted October 1 28 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: But doesn't that mean that the QB basically is the roster then? Why is this so surprising to you? 16 of the 17 highest paid employees in the sport are QBs. The other is Nick Bosa, who is paid $34M per to try to hit the other team’s QB. The league has geared nearly every rule change to head into this direction. The league getting into bed with Fantasy football and gambling only added to that. It’s economics at this point. No QB, no chance at a home playoff game. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 1 Author Share Posted October 1 6 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The QB is 65% of a roster. How far do you think the Jets would go with Brock Purdy as our starting QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Just now, TuscanyTile2 said: How far do you think the Jets would go with Brock Purdy as our starting QB? Competing for the division title. And that would be true if you inserted quite a few QBs in that spot. Including the one I’ve been saying we should have traded for since back in June: Davis Mills. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said: How far do you think the Jets would go with Brock Purdy as our starting QB? I think the Niners are a different world when it comes to offense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 1 Author Share Posted October 1 If Brock Purdy gets hurt and the 49ers have to go to Sam Darnold, how far do you think the 49ers could go with him? To me, they still have a shot to go to the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, if you put Sam Darnold on the Jets right now, what do you think our record would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 1 Author Share Posted October 1 Just now, T0mShane said: I think the Niners are a different world when it comes to offense. In other words, they have a much more talented roster than the Jets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 5 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: If Brock Purdy gets hurt and the 49ers have to go to Sam Darnold, how far do you think the 49ers could go with him? To me, they still have a shot to go to the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, if you put Sam Darnold on the Jets right now, what do you think our record would be? Darnold has been given every chance to take that job away from Purdy. Lance got traded away. Purdy was hurt all summer. He never seized the reins. I don’t think Darnold is a strong counter to our takes here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 1 Author Share Posted October 1 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Competing for the division title. And that would be true if you inserted quite a few QBs in that spot. Including the one I’ve been saying we should have traded for since back in June: Davis Mills. I find it very hard to believe that a Brock Purdy-led Jets team would have a legit chance to win the AFC East. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: How far do you think the Jets would go with Brock Purdy as our starting QB? Brock Purdy is in the best possible coaching environment while the Jets provide arguably the worst. I don’t think he would look nearly as good here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said: In other words, they have a much more talented roster than the Jets? I mean yeah but if that is your lone example it doesn’t win you the argument. I’d argue the Jets are right there in that 2nd tier with a bunch of other teams on the roster strength list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 1 Author Share Posted October 1 Just now, GangGreened said: Brock Purdy is in the best possible coaching environment while the Jets provide arguably the worst. I don’t think he would look nearly as good here. I agree that the 49ers have a way better CS than we do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 2 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I find it very hard to believe that a Brock Purdy-led Jets team would have a legit chance to win the AFC East. You came to a conclusion and are using confirmation bias in this thread to win an argument with yourself. listen to Shane at least if you won’t listen to me. Meanwhile Joshua Dobbs beat the sane “loaded” Dallas roster we lost 30-10 to due to Zach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 1 Author Share Posted October 1 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: You came to a conclusion and are using confirmation bias in this thread to win an argument with yourself. Meanwhile Joshua Dobbs beat the sane “loaded” Dallas roster we lost 30-10 to due to Zach. I look at the Jets' roster and see a lot of talent but I'm starting to wonder if we're as talented as many of us (me included) think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 7 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: If Brock Purdy gets hurt and the 49ers have to go to Sam Darnold, how far do you think the 49ers could go with him? To me, they still have a shot to go to the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, if you put Sam Darnold on the Jets right now, what do you think our record would be? If you switched HC's the Jets would be in the SB hunt and the 49ers would struggle to make the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 It’s a talented roster with the worst qb in the league. That is a huge problem. Also coaching staff is prob bottom 10 in the league. I think the defense is a tad overrated but yea competent qb play the team would should be at 10 wins min. Zach may not even be in the league in a few years and looking back it will make sense why we imploded this year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 7 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I look at the Jets' roster and see a lot of talent but I'm starting to wonder if we're as talented as many of us (me included) think. Like I said it’s in a large 2nd tier. Niners are on their own in tier 1. Jets have a very good roster. Not great, since there are several holes at a few key spots. Still good enough to win a lot of games with any semblance of QB play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 19 minutes ago, Warfish said: We're not as talented as our fans wanted to believe. Especially at WR. But the QB is the fulcrum upon which the success of a modern NFL team balances. And ours is a historic-level of horrible. Change that, and maybe we can start to really evaluate how good/bad the rest of the team is in a normal situation with a normal NFL QB. Yup. The team overall doesn’t have many tippy top game changing players. Sauce and Q are the best. Bryce Huff is elite at a very important skill but doesn’t get the opportunity to do it enough. Garrett Wilson is very good but firmly not a top tier doesn’t matter who the QB is WR. Breece Hall is extremely talented but not healthy. Alijah Vera-Tucker hasn’t had the opportunity to prove himself as an elite guard because of injuries and position changes. There’s no top tier edge rusher, just a bunch of very good ones. And when you’re not winning games and getting tons of pass rush snaps, the depth versus having a special guy doesn’t really move the needle because the guys coming in waves doesn’t help as much. The rest of the defense is mostly composed of good veterans. The offensive line is largely below average. And the other offensive skill players are largely just guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 21 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think the Niners are a different world when it comes to offense. Do you credit that more to the roster or the coaching staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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