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Stop with the "Vegas" nonsense. Please.

The amount of bets for the Jets was approximately equal to the amount of bets against the Jets. This is always the case in every game, and how money lines are determined. Vegas makes their money on the vig, and they get that money no matter what the outcome of the games are. This has been explained on this board hundreds of times and people still don't get this simple concept.

The games are "nudged" by the LEAGUE because they have desired outcomes that dictate revenue. Mahomes is the league's star QB. Therefore, he will get calls that other QBs don't get. This is a proven, successful business model. The added incentive this week was the Swift factor. This silly nonsense has brought the league a whole new chunk of morons who wouldn't have watched before, and these are young people with money to spend. They are not going to be left disappointed in their coming out party to what used to be a league about football. 

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You have a whole week of build-up about how the Chiefs & Taylor Swift are coming to town to tap dance on the Jets’ grave. It’s a drumbeat by the NFL itself. You think that doesn’t impact the officials? They’re human. They’re exposed to the same media as everyone else. That’s how you get nonsensical calls like last night. Still, you gotta overcome it. 

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2 hours ago, Sammybighead said:

They are clearly bought. All the gambling nowadays pretty much ensures that teams like the Jets, when they are heavy underdogs and there is so much money going against them, will never get fair calls. I'm honestly getting sick of this nonsense week in and week out now.

Frankly, if all the money is going toward the Chiefs, a bought official would be against the Chiefs.

I am in the Chiefs are a better brand for the NFL than the Jets, and as such the NFL will push towards a Chiefs win.  

Regardless, their is enough "leeway" to look into an independent study.  The rules are the rules and they should impact the game the same way during the game.  

If they were calling holds the whole game the way Sauce held, fine.  They didn't, so now it looks like a conspiracy.

Will there be one off bad calls, of course, but far to often are you seeing change in officiating in game at crucial points. 

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11 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Stop with the "Vegas" nonsense. Please.

The amount of bets for the Jets was approximately equal to the amount of bets against the Jets. This is always the case in every game, and how money lines are determined. Vegas makes their money on the vig, and they get that money no matter what the outcome of the games are. This has been explained on this board hundreds of times and people still don't get this simple concept.

The games are "nudged" by the LEAGUE because they have desired outcomes that dictate revenue. Mahomes is the league's star QB. Therefore, he will get calls that other QBs don't get. This is a proven, successful business model. The added incentive this week was the Swift factor. This silly nonsense has brought the league a whole new chunk of morons who wouldn't have watched before, and these are young people with money to spend. They are not going to be left disappointed in their coming out party to what used to be a league about football. 

You make an interesting point about how Vegas operates, but I think you're missing the main point here. While it's true that sportsbooks make their money off the "vig," that doesn't account for the potential of individual corruption within the game itself. If, for instance, a referee has placed a substantial bet on a particular team, the odds and money lines set by Vegas become irrelevant. That referee has the power to influence the game's outcome independently of what any betting agency wants or predicts.

With the league embracing gambling, the risk isn't just theoretical. All it would take is for one or two individuals—whether they're referees, coaches, or coordinators—to be corrupted for the integrity of the game to be compromised. So, while the league and Vegas have their ways of making money, the potential for game-fixing can't be dismissed outright.

This sure looks like the referee had more riding on this game than I did.

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5 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

You make an interesting point about how Vegas operates, but I think you're missing the main point here. While it's true that sportsbooks make their money off the "vig," that doesn't account for the potential of individual corruption within the game itself. If, for instance, a referee has placed a substantial bet on a particular team, the odds and money lines set by Vegas become irrelevant. That referee has the power to influence the game's outcome independently of what any betting agency wants or predicts.

With the league embracing gambling, the risk isn't just theoretical. All it would take is for one or two individuals—whether they're referees, coaches, or coordinators—to be corrupted for the integrity of the game to be compromised. So, while the league and Vegas have their ways of making money, the potential for game-fixing can't be dismissed outright.

This sure looks like the referee had more riding on this game than I did.

Ok, fair, but a referee, like any member of the public with the money lines set as they are, is as likely to bet on the Jets as he is against. So then why is it always on the team with the QB/storyline that coincidentally is also a cash cow?

The referees are made aware of the desired outcome and are encouraged to help it along if possible. Sometimes the easiest explanation is the right one: if you're a ref and betting on games and get caught, your employer is going to fire you and you'll face possible prosecution (among other things). If you're a ref and your employer is instructing you to manipulate calls and if you get caught, the entire multi-billion industry goes down with you. They're going to go to great lengths to protect you, which is the real reason referees are not held accountable for egregious mistakes.

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4 hours ago, bitonti said:

Everyone freaking out about the refs didn't have much to say when they invented a safety for us down 17-0 

2 points isnt that much better than forcing a punt from your opponents goal line.

Thats pretty different than a fake hold under 3 minutes, and not calling the hold against JJ on the 3rd and 22.

Magnitude and differences and stuff.

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As for the vegas stuff im not sure. This line was fish stink city to begin with at 9.5 and only got more stinky down to 7.5. Vegas was begging people to take the Cheifs. They knew the Jets would somehow keep it close. Giving KC a gift in that situation makes no sense if your a vegas truther (which I sometimes i am, but the evidence here, this time goes against it).

The refs dont suck because of vegas they suck because of unions.

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23 minutes ago, Ruby2 said:

2 points isnt that much better than forcing a punt from your opponents goal line.

Thats pretty different than a fake hold under 3 minutes, and not calling the hold against JJ on the 3rd and 22.

Magnitude and differences and stuff.

any points that break a shutout at home are huge 

how about the ineligible downfield on McGovern? That penalty is hardly ever called and it was huge

what you're talking about it happens every week especially on prime time 

a play that meant more than most of those was Greg the leg doinking the FG 

that would have made it 23-23 at least 

 

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3 hours ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

But there are weeks where Vegas and books around the country take serious serious beatings.

the NFL makes 10 billion plus a year in TV contracts they are slaves to ratings numbers

they don't give a rats tail about if DraftKings or FanDuel take a beating 

if they owned a casino or something I'd agree they just take those marketing dollars and it's up to the casinos to make their own profits (which by the way, they always do. Not because of conspiracy refs but because of the VIG) 

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4 hours ago, bitonti said:

Everyone freaking out about the refs didn't have much to say when they invented a safety for us down 17-0 

The refs also called holding on the chiefs twice in that final drive — once negating a long third down conversion by the Chiefs, once on the play before the defensive holding called on Sauce. If the refs were really trying to influence the game in favor of the Chiefs, those would have been two easy calls to “miss.” There were several bad calls last night against both teams. And the late holding on Sauce absolutely was a killer. But the evidence for a conspiracy just isn’t there in this instance.

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I think what you guys need to recognize is the sole existence of the NFL is for entertainment purposes. Sure, it gives athletes jobs as well, but they're getting paid no matter who wins. The NFL will do things that gain them more money. That isn't going to change. Sure, they'll try to make it as fair as they can, but they will turn a blind eye to calls that help their popularity overall.If they have an opportunity to get the Swiftie mob to tune in, they'll do that.

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9 minutes ago, bitonti said:

any points that break a shutout at home are huge 

how about the ineligible downfield on McGovern? That penalty is hardly ever called and it was huge

what you're talking about it happens every week especially on prime time 

a play that meant more than most of those was Greg the leg doinking the FG 

that would have made it 23-23 at least 

 

Yes the McGovern call was also awful, almost forgot about that one in the sea of awful.

The Facemask is less awful because it was really close, and like i said not much difference in 2 points vs punting from back of your own end zone. The calls on Sauce, not called against JJ were not remotely close. They were just awful indefensible, and made at the worst time. Thats in a different category than the facemask imo.

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4 minutes ago, Ruby2 said:

Yes the McGovern call was also awful, almost forgot about that one in the sea of awful.

The Facemask is less awful because it was really close, and like i said not much difference in 2 points vs punting from back of your own end zone. The calls on Sauce, not called against JJ were not remotely close. They were just awful indefensible, and made at the worst time. Thats in a different category than the facemask imo.

Agree 100%

It is what it is though.

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2 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Agree 100%

It is what it is though.

Yup aint nothing we can do. The NFL aint going to fight a unwinnable battle against the refs when they know our dumb asses are going to watch no matter what.

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9 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

Maybe I just don’t understand gambling since I don’t partake, but the jets covered the spread so what difference does it make to Vegas if the jets win or lose if they already covered? 

Theres little to suggest they were trying to get the Cheifs to cover based on the line and how it moved. Maybe there was some advanced metrics on moneyline plays where a Jets outright win would have hurt them, but that doesn't really make sense.

The refs just suck, Vegas is clean this time imo.

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4 hours ago, JetPotato said:

Stop with the "Vegas" nonsense. Please.

The amount of bets for the Jets was approximately equal to the amount of bets against the Jets. This is always the case in every game, and how money lines are determined. Vegas makes their money on the vig, and they get that money no matter what the outcome of the games are. This has been explained on this board hundreds of times and people still don't get this simple concept.

The games are "nudged" by the LEAGUE because they have desired outcomes that dictate revenue. Mahomes is the league's star QB. Therefore, he will get calls that other QBs don't get. This is a proven, successful business model. The added incentive this week was the Swift factor. This silly nonsense has brought the league a whole new chunk of morons who wouldn't have watched before, and these are young people with money to spend. They are not going to be left disappointed in their coming out party to what used to be a league about football. 

To be clear, the bolded is completely untrue. You're right that that is the idea -- they want equal betting on both sides -- but very frequently that is not the case even when the line moves and Vegas has liabilities to certain outcomes.

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6 hours ago, Bronx said:

Make all judgement calls reviewable. 

This is the answer. These old men running up and down the field watching these games played at lightning speed miss tons of calls, and think they see things that don't happen. The only way to ensure the garbage call(s) that were made last night does not repeat is to make ALL penalty calls reviewable. Not challengeable, but reviewable. Have someone in NY or in the booth at the respective venues for the sole purpose of reviewing and verifying penalties are correctly called.

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11 minutes ago, Ruby2 said:

Yes the McGovern call was also awful, almost forgot about that one in the sea of awful.

The Facemask is less awful because it was really close, and like i said not much difference in 2 points vs punting from back of your own end zone. The calls on Sauce, not called against JJ were not remotely close. They were just awful indefensible, and made at the worst time. Thats in a different category than the facemask imo.

I’m as big a Jets homer as anyone else, but be real — the facemask clearly started outside the end zone and, agree with the rule or not, should not have been a safety (I personally think any holding or facemask when the QB is in end zone should result in a safety, no matter where the penalty occurs … but those arent the rules). And the Sauce holding call was borderline — he DID have his hands all over the guy and DID kind of pull him, the problem was it wasn’t blatant and hadn’t been called in other spots during the game. But to say the holding call was egregious and blantantly awful, but the facemask call wasn’t that bad because it was “close”, is just ridiculous.

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4 hours ago, bitonti said:

Everyone freaking out about the refs didn't have much to say when they invented a safety for us down 17-0 

It would have been interesting to see the Chiefs punt from their own end Zone on 4th and a 12 from their 3.5 yard line if the safety wasn't called.  It might have worked out better than the safety?  The Chiefs kick off after the safety put us at our own 25 where we had a long drive that ended in a FG.  A shorter field might have ended in a TD?

We do know the key penalty on the Jets ended any chance for them to tie or win the game.  We also know that even without the safety if they had gotten that hold they still would have been down 1 score with the ball.  

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7 hours ago, Sammybighead said:

They are clearly bought. All the gambling nowadays pretty much ensures that teams like the Jets, when they are heavy underdogs and there is so much money going against them, will never get fair calls. I'm honestly getting sick of this nonsense week in and week out now.

Guess you'll need to call your congressman then, because outside of that, it's simply not going to happen.

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1 minute ago, Gaffneycatch81 said:

I’m as big a Jets homer as anyone else, but be real — the facemask clearly started outside the end zone and, agree with the rule or not, should not have been a safety (I personally think any holding or facemask when the QB is in end zone should result in a safety, no matter where the penalty occurs … but those arent the rules). And the Sauce holding call was borderline — he DID have his hands all over the guy and DID kind of pull him, the problem was it wasn’t blatant and hadn’t been called in other spots during the game. But to say the holding call was egregious and blantantly awful, but the facemask call wasn’t that bad because it was “close”, is just ridiculous.

Maybe using "close" to describe the facemask was wrong. It was initiated before the endzone. It is extremely inconsequential. One could make an argument that its better to get the ball around midfield after the cheifs would have punted outta there own endzone, as opposed to 2 pts and the ball back out our own 25. Thats the point I was trying to make.

As far as the call against Sauce, that wasn't borderline. The call against the Eagles in the superbowl was borderline, this was made up. The Cheifs receiver ran straight into Gardner. the DB has ever much a right to the ball as the WR, thats seriously the main thing that the refs never seem to take into account when it comes to holding/PI imo.

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4 minutes ago, Biggs said:

It would have been interesting to see the Chiefs punt from their own end Zone on 4th and a 12 from their 3.5 yard line if the safety wasn't called.  It might have worked out better than the safety?  The Chiefs kick off after the safety put us at our own 25 where we had a long drive that ended in a FG.  A shorter field might have ended in a TD?

We do know the key penalty on the Jets ended any chance for them to tie or win the game.  We also know that even without the safety if they had gotten that hold they still would have been down 1 score with the ball.  

Thank you for explaining my point better than I can :)

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