Poll: Do You Have Renewed Hope For ZW?

[TuscanyTile2]

Obviously we know he has to prove it again in more than 1 game.  You don't need to make that point (though I'm confident multiple people will).

[playtowinthegame]

Absolutely! 

[usanyj]

He has to show he can do it consistently...If he goes out and does this again in Denver next week, then maybe I will get excited...I'm intrigued right now, I will really begin to have hope if he does it again next week.  So I am in between a yes and a no right now.

[shuler82]

I honestly didn’t think he was capable of looking  competent . It’s a low bar but what he put on tape last night shows the jets can have an actual NFL offense. 

[British Jet]

To do what he did, with the world collapsing around him all week, showed some testicular fortitude that people should be giving him huge credit for.

Everyone loves an underdog, and you only have to look at the likes of Chris Jones and Micah Parsons on the socials, to see that other professionals recognize the immense pressure Zach is under literally every single time the ball is in his hands.

Head up Zach, keep moving forward.

[bonkertons]

I don't see how you couldn't, and this is coming from someone who said Wilson was DONE a week ago.  I wouldn't have cared if they cut him at that moment.

 

It wasn't like Zach was sitting back there with all day to throw either, or he was succeeding with trickery or living off the success of the running game.  He was actually getting the ball out quickly.  He was throwing with confidence.  Trusting his arm and trusting his receivers.  Was it perfect?  No.  Obviously the fumble as well as the miss to Wilson where he just overthrew a bit, and to Conklin underthrowing him, but that was easily the best Zach has ever looked as a pro.  IMO it's not even close.  

 

This whole time in my head I've just wanted to see him look like an NFL QB.  Just show me signs of being an NFL QB, and we can build off that.  Last night he didn't just look like an NFL QB, but a good NFL QB.  He's gotta build on this though, and luckily Denver is the perfect follow-up game on paper.  Got torched by Miami for 70 and gave up 4 passing TD's to Justin Fields yesterday.  Let's see what the kid can do a week from now, but I'm the most encouraged that I've ever been.

[Rhg1084]

5 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Obviously we know he has to prove it again in more than 1 game.  You don't need to make that point (though I'm confident multiple people will).

I mean this was obviously his last chance and he came out and had the game of his life outplaying Mahomes. Let’s see how he finishes the season out but hopefully this is a turning point in his career.

[The Crusher]

He was fun to watch last night and looking forward to him doing it again next week. I don’t  dare comment further or ask for more.

 

[T0mShane]

Not really. I thought Spagnuolo was dropping everyone into the box and daring Zach to push it downfield, and Zach finally hit a few intermediates and gained some confidence. When Spagnuolo adjusted, Zach went back to looking not so awesome. He missed at least three TDs—one on the jump ball he threw to Lazard, the overthrow to Garrett Wilson, and one late to Cobb (I think) where Cobb had cooked his man and was running free along the right side. His accuracy is still very bad. I was encouraged by the OL and Hackett, and I thought the receivers did yeoman work reeling in those inaccurate passes as best they could. 

[Jets723]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Not really. I thought Spagnuolo was dropping everyone into the box and daring Zach to push it downfield, and Zach finally hit a few intermediates and gained some confidence. When Spagnuolo adjusted, Zach went back to looking not so awesome. He missed at least three TDs—one on the jump ball he threw to Lazard, the overthrow to Garrett Wilson, and one late to Cobb (I think) where Cobb had cooked his man and was running free along the right side. His accuracy is still very bad. I was encouraged by the OL and Hackett, and I thought the receivers did yeoman work reeling in those inaccurate passes as best they could. 

Come on dude.  Last night he was very good.  You gotta give him credit for that at least.  Doesn’t mean he is all of a sudden a good QB but gotta be a tad bit fair 

[Jetty]

One game is not enough. Needs to do it for the rest of the season.

[More Cowbell]

11 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Obviously we know he has to prove it again in more than 1 game.  You don't need to make that point (though I'm confident multiple people will).

I've seen this movie before. Not convinced. Also, this wasn’t a complete performance. An argument can be made that he fumbled the game away. I'm not making that argument, I think the Refs did more to rob us than Zach but it is out there. 

[PavlovsDogs]

Not sure I agree with Tom - for the most part he was taking what the D was giving and making quick hitch ball out of his hands honest to god west coast throws and decisions.  Accuracy was really good to amazing on some throws.  As Crusher said - ‘fun to watch’.  I wanted Zach gone last week, but Zach wouldn’t be the first QB to have the light go on in season 3.  I think Hackett and Rodgers have coached the heck out of him.  Now just play him in the offense as it was designed to run the next few weeks and see where we are.  He has a great confidence game next week against a terribly coached Broncos team!  Bring on Denver!

[BigRy56]

I’m going to say no until he goes out and does it multiple times in a row. If he plays like this through the bye week, I’m in

[docdhc]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Not really. I thought Spagnuolo was dropping everyone into the box and daring Zach to push it downfield, and Zach finally hit a few intermediates and gained some confidence. When Spagnuolo adjusted, Zach went back to looking not so awesome. He missed at least three TDs—one on the jump ball he threw to Lazard, the overthrow to Garrett Wilson, and one late to Cobb (I think) where Cobb had cooked his man and was running free along the right side. His accuracy is still very bad. I was encouraged by the OL and Hackett, and I thought the receivers did yeoman work reeling in those inaccurate passes as best they could. 

That 5/5 td drive to tie it was 5 perfect throws. It shows potential at least. Compared to the last 2 weeks of looking horrible I’ll take your assessment as him not looking so awesome late in the game as a major improvement!  Obviously he has to do it again. 

[Bronx]

Yes, why the hell not? It is probably by far his best performance of his career.  I say this because he overcame an immense amount of pressure and negativity leading to this game.  Think about all the variables, first Sunday night game in 11 years, underdogs, etc.  

Why the hell not? 

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

Come on dude.  Last night he was very good.  You gotta give him credit for that at least.  Doesn’t mean he is all of a sudden a good QB but gotta be a tad bit fair 

I thought the OL was very good and Zach had a good, encouraging stretch from the mid-2nd and to open Q3. After that, he went 5 for 8 for 29 yards and the fumbled snap. Some encouraging stuff overall.

[Jets723]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I thought the OL was very good and Zach had a good, encouraging stretch from the mid-2nd and to open Q3. After that, he went 5 for 8 for 29 yards and the fumbled snap. Some encouraging stuff overall.

He definitely outplayed Mahomes one one night at least and it wasn’t close

[Barry McCockinner]

He was passable as an NFL QB last night, which is a lot more than he usually is. The best part of what he did was throw those two back shoulder passes - one to conk in the middle of the field and one to Ruckert down the sideline. Those are throws I don't think I've seen him attempt before. 

There was still a lot left on the table but if he can use this as a jumping off point and get better we can win some games.

 

[T0mShane]

8 minutes ago, docdhc said:

That 5/5 td drive to tie it was 5 perfect throws. It shows potential at least. Compared to the last 2 weeks of looking horrible I’ll take your assessment as him not looking so awesome late in the game as a major improvement!  Obviously he has to do it again. 

Yes! He deserves a lot of credit! Showed a lot of mental fortitude just showing up for this game. 

[Ecuadorian Jet]

Not only Zach, who played pretty well, but Hackett also showed me something.

Both units, offense and defense need to be ready from minute 1. Those slow starts need to stop.

[Joe W. Namath]

Absolutely.  We have some juice as fans for next weeks game.  We avoided the Defcon 3 thread.  Lets go and build on this.  Zach gets our support this week for the Denver game.  Lets go!

[Jets723]

2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

He was passable as an NFL QB last night, which is a lot more than he usually is. The best part of what he did was throw those two back shoulder passes - one to conk in the middle of the field and one to Lazard down the sideline. Those are throws I don't think I've seen him attempt before. 

There was still a lot left on the table but if he can use this as a jumping off point and get better we can win some games.

 

Well I certainly agree with your last statement.  Although he was definitely more than passable.  He was a big part we got back into the game.  Yes the fumble was unfortunate but it doesn’t ruin his great game.  Other than the missed GW pass he was hitting his targets and spreading it around.  The Conklin drop was tough but still should’ve had it I think.  The Carter drop was completely on Carter and I think if he comes down with that catch it might be a different result 

[Ghost420]

Just like the renewed hope after the Bills game last yr. Do it the rest of the season and maybe I'll change my mind. 

[OilfieldJet]

Game plan helped, we finally used the pass to setup the run. Zach looked good and his stat line shows it.

[DireJet]

Need a half dozen similar games to spark hope. 

[Barry McCockinner]

3 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

Well I certainly agree with your last statement.  Although he was definitely more than passable.  He was a big part we got back into the game.  Yes the fumble was unfortunate but it doesn’t ruin his great game.  Other than the missed GW pass he was hitting his targets and spreading it around.  The Conklin drop was tough but still should’ve had it I think.  The Carter drop was completely on Carter and I think if he comes down with that catch it might be a different result 

Yea the overthrow to Wilson was one. He also missed 2 Lazard TD's. One Lazard had his guy smoked and he waited to long and under threw it. Still made a big play but it was an easy TD. The second maybe wasn't so easy, I'd have to review to see - could be wrong. But on that flea flicker play if he throws it right away Lazard is wide open deep. 

There was quick pressure on the play but my take watching it in real time was that he hesitated and allowed the pressure to get there rather than just throw it right away.

He looked the part for a day. Let's see if he can stack them and build on it.

[rangerous]

After yesterday and the fourth quarter of the patsie game how can one not have much better feelings about Zach.  He made some really nice throws and didn’t have any ints.  The fumble was not good and he pretty much beat himself up over it.  Obviously it’s only one game but from here on out it’s more a case of Zach getting on the same page with Hackett and the receivers.  The oline is coming around.  These changes will help the jets to be a much better team.

[Jets723]

1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Yea the overthrow to Wilson was one. He also missed 2 Lazard TD's. One Lazard had his guy smoked and he waited to long and under threw it. Still made a big play but it was an easy TD. The second maybe wasn't so easy, I'd have to review to see - could be wrong. But on that flea flicker play if he throws it right away Lazard is wide open deep. 

There was quick pressure on the play but my take watching it in real time was that he hesitated and allowed the pressure to get there rather than just throw it right away.

He looked the part for a day. Let's see if he can stack them and build on it.

All QBs miss a couple times every game.  Sometimes miscommunication happens.      There was some huge drops too.  The Conklin one I don’t blame on anyone because it was a lot of pressure and Conklin nearly had it too.  The Carter drop was huge.  I’m telling you if he catches that I think it’s a different result 

[carlito1171]

Not quite yet....the playcalling is encouraging, they're actually calling to his strengths and it's improving his confidence....however I will say it takes huge balls to play like that with the world writing you off, back against the wall playing for your career, and already going down 17-0 to the World champs. You have to give him credit for that IDC if you're the biggest Zach hater alive

 

Happy to see him be a functional NFL QB, but I need to see him string together a few more similar performances (and hopefully some Ws) before getting too excited

[Jets723]

4 minutes ago, DireJet said:

Need a half dozen similar games to spark hope. 

I mean yes I agree he needs to be more consistent but i think it’s tough not to walk away from last night at least feeling a little better about him at least as opposed to the hopelessness before last night 

[Creepy Lurker]

I definitely don’t feel “worse” about him after last night but he would have to string together a bunch of competent performances before I have any “hope”. 

[carlito1171]

32 minutes ago, PavlovsDogs said:

for the most part he was taking what the D was giving and making quick hitch ball out of his hands honest to god west coast throws and decisions.  Accuracy was really good to amazing on some throws.

We know he missed a couple of key throws but some of those back shoulders he hit to Conklin and Lazard were absolute money 

[ScarletKnight89]

I want to see him build off of it, play a good game, and beat the Broncos. If he can do that then maybe I'll start believing that there is some hope for him. Still way too much bad than good in his career though for me to assume this was anything other than a fluky game. 

[Trotter]

56 minutes ago, Ghost420 said:

Just like the renewed hope after the Bills game last yr. Do it the rest of the season and maybe I'll change my mind. 

understand completely however, i think it is a bit different since Hackett is a better more experienced OC then Lafeluer and Rodgers.

I'm not saying Zach played that way last night because Rodgers was present, but I also don't underestimate the impact he can have on him.

Looking up but there can't be a letdown against Denver and no moral victories. This team must beat Denver if there is even talk of a run.