Breece Be Beastin

[Vader]

 

"Breece Hall is averaging 6.16 yards after contact per rush, second only to De'Von Achane among RBs. He's 19th in rushing yards on only 32 attempts. There are 32 RBs to rush for over 150 yards so far. Only three have fewer than 35 carries: Achane, Hall and Nick Chubb. He's fourth in Rushing Yards Over Expected, per NextGen. Breece Hall is good. He should never end a game with only six carries. #Jets"

Breece Hall is next level, and next on the list to remove the shackles from. BH shouldn't be getting less than 15 carries game and at least ~20 touches, he is that dynamic of a player, and needs to be featured. A pass first offense that runs strong on 2nd or 3rd (not usually both) and works passing game touches in for Breece Hall.

BH had 6 carries v KC. I get that ZW was the focus of the coaching staff and play calling especially after going down 17 early, but now it's time to spread the common sense. You need to replace all of Cooks touches rn with Hall and some Carter (who despite the bad drop looks good this year and bc of that could get traded). 

Breece Hall has been feast or famine but he needs double to triple touches if these statistics bear themselves out over time

edit: want to point out too that focusing nearly the entire run game on Hall with these numbers would also help open up the regular playaction for Zach Wilson

 

[MR.GANGGREEN28]

Numbers are inflated due to 3-4 chunk plays in limited touches, two out of his 4 games played he has 2.2 and 1.5 YPC. That says a lot more about the overall offense than it does Breece though. I expect him to average somewhere between 5-6 ypc normally but given the long runs he's broken off this year he really should be around 8 ypc at this point.

When the offense clicks and he gets a little space, he's one of the most dangerous players in the league. 6 touches in a game is criminal especially when Cook, who has no burst and goes down easily after the slightest hint of contact, is the guy getting more touches.

[Hal]

He’s just back off his ACL.  Before the season started I guessed his touches would go up in the 2nd half of the season.  

[static14]

I think this week he has big numbers.

[FidelioJet]

6 hours ago, MR.GANGGREEN28 said:

Numbers are inflated due to 3-4 chunk plays in limited touches, two out of his 4 games played he has 2.2 and 1.5 YPC. That says a lot more about the overall offense than it does Breece though. I expect him to average somewhere between 5-6 ypc normally but given the long runs he's broken off this year he really should be around 8 ypc at this point.

When the offense clicks and he gets a little space, he's one of the most dangerous players in the league. 6 touches in a game is criminal especially when Cook, who has no burst and goes down easily after the slightest hint of contact, is the guy getting more touches.

The other RB’s get chunk plays too.  It’s why you have an average. It’s not like chunk plays are out of the norm for him / it’s the most important and valuable part of his game. 

[UntouchableCrew]

50 minutes ago, static14 said:

I think this week he has big numbers.

He was murdering Denver before the injury last year.

[Bobby816]

He's doing better than I thought he'd do this early. Still isn't himself it seems though. He'd have 3 long TD runs if he was himself. 2 against BUF and 1 this last Sunday against KC. But he's been great all things considered. 

[OilfieldJet]

Give it a rest, he is rehabbing a season ending injury. They are trying to make sure it doesn’t become a career ending injury. Bring up Izzy and give him some carries.

[Bronx]

If only Becton was on the right side. We need a LT and move Becton to RT where I think he will be dominant. Breece would have more yardage otherwise. 

[slimjasi]

6 hours ago, MR.GANGGREEN28 said:

Numbers are inflated due to 3-4 chunk plays in limited touches, two out of his 4 games played he has 2.2 and 1.5 YPC. That says a lot more about the overall offense than it does Breece though. I expect him to average somewhere between 5-6 ypc normally but given the long runs he's broken off this year he really should be around 8 ypc at this point.

When the offense clicks and he gets a little space, he's one of the most dangerous players in the league. 6 touches in a game is criminal especially when Cook, who has no burst and goes down easily after the slightest hint of contact, is the guy getting more touches.

He will always have chunk plays. He’s a big play waiting to happen. Have to get him the ball more 

[JagsFanJif]

omg, boot Cook to the moon.   Breece should be getting 20 touches a game.

[MR.GANGGREEN28]

5 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

The other RB’s get chunk plays too.  It’s why you have an average. It’s not like chunk plays are out of the norm for him / it’s the most important and valuable part of his game. 

Right, but having 2 games averaging less than 2.5 ypc is a normal thing for Breece? Exactly why I said he’d be averaging closer to 8 YPC if he wasn’t getting suffocated at the LOS most of the time.

[Jetfuel66]

They need to Bring Izzy up and give Breece and Izzy the carries they keep giving to Cook. Dalvin looks washed up right now and maybe needs a week or two off.

[Drums]

The CS has made it too easy on opposing defenses throughout the year. 6 carries? Seriously?

[Barry McCockinner]

Nice run blocking here. I love how they get Ruckert out leading the way with the motion. Ruckert is a weapon.

 

[rangerous]

7 hours ago, Vader said:

 

"Breece Hall is averaging 6.16 yards after contact per rush, second only to De'Von Achane among RBs. He's 19th in rushing yards on only 32 attempts. There are 32 RBs to rush for over 150 yards so far. Only three have fewer than 35 carries: Achane, Hall and Nick Chubb. He's fourth in Rushing Yards Over Expected, per NextGen. Breece Hall is good. He should never end a game with only six carries. #Jets"

Breece Hall is next level, and next on the list to remove the shackles from. BH shouldn't be getting less than 15 carries game and at least ~20 touches, he is that dynamic of a player, and needs to be featured. A pass first offense that runs strong on 2nd or 3rd (not usually both) and works passing game touches in for Breece Hall.

BH had 6 carries v KC. I get that ZW was the focus of the coaching staff and play calling especially after going down 17 early, but now it's time to spread the common sense. You need to replace all of Cooks touches rn with Hall and some Carter (who despite the bad drop looks good this year and bc of that could get traded). 

Breece Hall has been feast or famine but he needs double to triple touches if these statistics bear themselves out over time

edit: want to point out too that focusing nearly the entire run game on Hall with these numbers would also help open up the regular playaction for Zach Wilson

 

it sounds like it's up to hall to take the shackles off.  the oline has nothing to do with his success.  he needs blocking and so far the jets haven't been very good.  of course a strong passing game will help.  we saw the lbs starting to lay off the line in sundays game.  if zach continues to make throws the holes will open for hall.  interesting that the game was still in doubt with lots of time yet the jets continued to throw the ball when their was plenty of time to use a run game.  it's possible the oline was focused on pass blocking for this game.  i think the oline will come around more and be good run blockers.

[FlightBoyz]

2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Nice run blocking here. I love how they get Ruckert out leading the way with the motion.

 

Solid blocking. Man if Breece didn't cut left he'd of takin it to the house.

[Barry McCockinner]

3 minutes ago, FlightBoyz said:

Solid blocking. Man if Breece didn't cut left he'd of takin it to the house.

yea it seemed that way in real time too. they need to get this man more carries.

[Integrity28]

7 hours ago, MR.GANGGREEN28 said:

Numbers are inflated due to 3-4 chunk plays in limited touches, two out of his 4 games played he has 2.2 and 1.5 YPC. That says a lot more about the overall offense than it does Breece though. I expect him to average somewhere between 5-6 ypc normally but given the long runs he's broken off this year he really should be around 8 ypc at this point.

When the offense clicks and he gets a little space, he's one of the most dangerous players in the league. 6 touches in a game is criminal especially when Cook, who has no burst and goes down easily after the slightest hint of contact, is the guy getting more touches.

Achane same thing. Those chunk plays kinda matter though. 

[slimjasi]

29 minutes ago, FlightBoyz said:

Solid blocking. Man if Breece didn't cut left he'd of takin it to the house.

So many “what if” plays from that game 

[Adoni Beast]

34 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Nice run blocking here. I love how they get Ruckert out leading the way with the motion. Ruckert is a weapon.

 

It's great that Ruckert has earned his playing time. Kid can catch and block...release this beast!!!

[jvill 51]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Nice run blocking here. I love how they get Ruckert out leading the way with the motion. Ruckert is a weapon.

 

There’s other factors at play, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the two best games running the ball were also the two games where Ruckert saw his most playing time.

[Barry McCockinner]

11 minutes ago, jvill 51 said:

There’s other factors at play, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the two best games running the ball were also the two games where Ruckert saw his most playing time.

100%

This guys is an awesome run blocker! It's one thing to do it in line but to pull or be in motion and find a guy in space and lock him down like that is a higher level of difficulty. He makes it look easy.

What did Joe Douglas do in 2022?

Round 1 (4th overall) Ahmad “Sauce” Gardner, Cornerback, Cincinnati

Round 1 (10th overall) Garrett Wilson, Wide Receiver, Ohio State

Round 1 (26th overall) Jermaine Johnson II, EDGE, Florida State

Round 2 (36th overall) Breece Hall, Running Back, Iowa State

Round 3 (101st overall) Jeremy Ruckert, Tight End, Ohio State

Round 4 (111th overall) Max Mitchell, Offensive Tackle, Louisiana-Lafayette

Round 4 (117th overall) Micheal Clemons, EDGE, Texas A&M

[Green Ghost]

9 hours ago, Vader said:

 

"Breece Hall is averaging 6.16 yards after contact per rush, second only to De'Von Achane among RBs. He's 19th in rushing yards on only 32 attempts. There are 32 RBs to rush for over 150 yards so far. Only three have fewer than 35 carries: Achane, Hall and Nick Chubb. He's fourth in Rushing Yards Over Expected, per NextGen. Breece Hall is good. He should never end a game with only six carries. #Jets"

Breece Hall is next level, and next on the list to remove the shackles from. BH shouldn't be getting less than 15 carries game and at least ~20 touches, he is that dynamic of a player, and needs to be featured. A pass first offense that runs strong on 2nd or 3rd (not usually both) and works passing game touches in for Breece Hall.

BH had 6 carries v KC. I get that ZW was the focus of the coaching staff and play calling especially after going down 17 early, but now it's time to spread the common sense. You need to replace all of Cooks touches rn with Hall and some Carter (who despite the bad drop looks good this year and bc of that could get traded). 

Breece Hall has been feast or famine but he needs double to triple touches if these statistics bear themselves out over time

edit: want to point out too that focusing nearly the entire run game on Hall with these numbers would also help open up the regular playaction for Zach Wilson

 

I’m going to respectfully disagree here.

Rehabbing and pitch count aside, we need a lot more from him than he’s given thus far. This offense needs him to be the bell cow type with 20-25 carrys a game. Right now, he’s not that, and it’s killing the offense.

[RevisIsland610]

3 hours ago, Bobby816 said:

He's doing better than I thought he'd do this early. Still isn't himself it seems though. He'd have 3 long TD runs if he was himself. 2 against BUF and 1 this last Sunday against KC. But he's been great all things considered. 

Yup, definitely not where he was last year but still damn good and when the other 2 RB's are Cook and MC he needs to get more touches. He's had games of 4 and 6 touches which is dumb. It's game 5 now. He needs to get 12-15 touches on Sunday. 

[Green Ghost]

3 hours ago, Bronx said:

If only Becton was on the right side. We need a LT and move Becton to RT where I think he will be dominant. Breece would have more yardage otherwise. 

I think we all need to get over the “Becton can dominate” thing, that ship has sailed. Let’s just be happy that he’s stayed healthy enough to play so far. 

Aside from being a much needed available body, he’s been average at best.
 

[slats]

9 hours ago, MR.GANGGREEN28 said:

Numbers are inflated due to 3-4 chunk plays in limited touches, two out of his 4 games played he has 2.2 and 1.5 YPC. That says a lot more about the overall offense than it does Breece though. I expect him to average somewhere between 5-6 ypc normally but given the long runs he's broken off this year he really should be around 8 ypc at this point.

He’s averaging 6.16 ypc after contact, overall he’s averaging 6.6 ypc. In other words, he averages getting hit within a half yard of the los on every carry. 
 
And thru two seasons, it would seem that breaking long runs for him is, indeed, the norm. He needs more opportunities to do exactly that, rather than hand them to some dude who used to break off long runs but in the same offense as Breece currently averages 1.1 yac. 

[Vader]

4 hours ago, slats said:

He’s averaging 6.16 ypc after contact, overall he’s averaging 6.6 ypc. In other words, he averages getting hit within a half yard of the los on every carry. 
 
And thru two seasons, it would seem that breaking long runs for him is, indeed, the norm. He needs more opportunities to do exactly that, rather than hand them to some dude who used to break off long runs but in the same offense as Breece currently averages 1.1 yac. 

this is the point with BH. Teams that don't stop him at the LOS, he's going to break those long runs. If they can't stop him with 8 in the box he's gone. Sometimes, they do stop him at the LOS. Feast or famine. 

[slats]

7 minutes ago, Vader said:

this is the point with BH. Teams that don't stop him at the LOS, he's going to break those long runs. If they can't stop him with 8 in the box he's gone. Sometimes, they do stop him at the LOS. Feast or famine. 

So far in his young career Breece is averaging 6 yards a carry. That would seem to imply quite a bit of feasting. Enough to give him more than 6 carries in a winnable game that was tied 20-20 early in the third quarter. He should be the bell cow, everyone else should be getting the scraps. 

[Vader]

34 minutes ago, slats said:

So far in his young career Breece is averaging 6 yards a carry. That would seem to imply quite a bit of feasting. Enough to give him more than 6 carries in a winnable game that was tied 20-20 early in the third quarter. He should be the bell cow, everyone else should be getting the scraps. 

agreed 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

If it wasn’t for some other curious personnel decisions, one might think it’s simply a smart pitch count that will be going up as the season progresses.

But when you look at the early season usage of Ruckert, Tippmann, Gipson, Hardman, Huff, it’s fair to say Saleh and staff aren’t very good at optimizing the talent they have.  Then you see how much better Zach played when he was allowed to play not scared.

Breece should be the lead and Michael Carter should be the complimentary back.

[Vader]

8 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

If it wasn’t for some other curious personnel decisions, one might think it’s simply a smart pitch count that will be going up as the season progresses.

But when you look at the early season usage of Ruckert, Tippmann, Gipson, Hardman, Huff, it’s fair to say Saleh and staff aren’t very good at optimizing the talent they have.  Then you see how much better Zach played when he was allowed to play not scared.

Breece should be the lead and Michael Carter should be the complimentary back.

It's really incredible when you look at Ruckert, Tippman, Gipson and Huff. These players would hands-down start on other teams based on their performance.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

17 minutes ago, Vader said:

It's really incredible when you look at Ruckert, Tippman, Gipson and Huff. These players would hands-down start on other teams based on their performance.

Yep, Ruckert has a chance to be one of the top ‘complete’ TEs in the league.  A guy who can catch and block.

Tippmanm is already better than McGovern and Tomlinson.  Chance to be a 5-10 year quality starter for the Jets.

Gipson is the perfect slot receiver.  Quick twitch in & out of breaks with dangerous YAC potential.

Huff been underrated on this board.  So many assume he is gone next year.  If the Jets were smart, they’d keep increasing his reps and if successful sign him to a long term deal.  

[Bronx]

5 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

I think we all need to get over the “Becton can dominate” thing, that ship has sailed. Let’s just be happy that he’s stayed healthy enough to play so far. 

Aside from being a much needed available body, he’s been average at best.
 

I agree,  but given his long absence, there might be more room for improvement. 

[#27TheDominator]

You guys are that high on Gipson?  He is a nice returner, but c'mon.  He has one catch for 4 yards and you are talking about him being the ideal slot receiver?  We will be lucky if he gives us Braxton Berrios production by next season.  He had one nice carry, but had the ball punched out at the end and his other carry was for negative yards.  I really like the kid and would like to see them work him in, but guys get like this over every Greg Dortch, Chad Hansen, or Jalen Saunders that comes along.  Let's see how he plays as they expand his role.  He flubbed a punt in preseason and hasn't looked super comfortable.  He is exciting, but has also been a bit scary.  I hope he concentrates on securing the ball.