Zach’s villain arc has begun

[Rhg1084]

 

This man is set to prove a lot of people wrong 

[Barry McCockinner]

Zach: * leads the offense to 18 points *

Jets Fans:

[Warfish]

Shocked no one has AI'd Zach's face onto Toby McGuire's "Bad Peter" meme gif from Spider Man 3.

[BCJet]

Jordan Plamer was on a podcast last week (really great guy to listen to if you love football) and was talking specifically about QBs and how hard it is to predict which guys will make it.  He said that if you dont have confidence and character then you have very little chance to make it in the NFL unless you are EXTREMELY talented.  

Do I think zach was a bit immature when he was picked - yes.

Do I think it was a HUGE jump from BYU to this media market (and fan base) - yes

Do I think its really hard to start as a rookie for almost every QB - yes.

Do I think a lot of this is on him for handling some situations poorly - yes.

But at the end of the day, there was a great video of his Pats performance next to his BYU tape and it was really stark to see how (yes he had a clean pocket at BYU) often he attacked single coverage down the field. The kid really just played - he didnt seem to be thinking all that much. 

I also understand while saleh had the inclination to coach zach to be conservative and not turn it over, that does make sense with a good defense but you also need to look at the player and the situation and see that something isnt working.  To me, Saleh needs to tell zach to "just play!  I dont care if you have 3 picks im staying with you".  Let the kid take shots like he did on sunday night, we have too many playmakers to be conservative and frankly we have nothing to lose.  Plus the OL is really playing well with this group and should give him time vs Denver.

Just let it rip zach!

[JetPotato]

Just now, Warfish said:

Shocked no one has AI'd Zach's face onto Toby McGuire's "Bad Peter" meme gif from Spider Man 3.

Give these dorks about 8 minutes

[DireJet]

I can’t believe no one told him to lose the headband earlier. 

[jetswinbaby!]

[Adoni Beast]

26 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

 

This man is set to prove a lot of people wrong 

If its a villain arc and not a hero then this story ends with him signing with New England and starting a new dynasty with Bill Belichick cloning himself as an immortal being that will forever coach the Patriots and slaughter the Jets.

No sir....this story will not work for me. I approve only one an arc of heroism in which Zach Wilson avenges the tyrannical government that is the NFL Empire and leads the peasant folks, the Jets of York to freedom and prosperity.

[The Crusher]

23 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Zach: * leads the offense to 18 points *

Jets Fans:

Considering he typically lead us to depression and the desire to harm ourselves, I think this is nice. 

[bitonti]

we all either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain 

[The Crusher]

2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

we all either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain 

Speak for yourself. Imma die fat and happy. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

39 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Zach: * leads the offense to 18 points *

Jets Fans:

Just WAIT till they score 20 next week. 

[Barry McCockinner]

2 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Just WAIT till they score 20 next week. 

Facing the Broncos this week is a great setup for the kid to build confidence. They should be able to drop 30 on them.

[pointman]

49 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

 

This man is set to prove a lot of people wrong 

That is soooo good. damn

[pointman]

45 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Zach: * leads the offense to 18 points *

Jets Fans:

[JagsFanJif]

18 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Speak for yourself. Imma die fat and happy. 

In the land of fat and happy......

[jamesr]

Jordan Plamer was on a podcast last week (really great guy to listen to if you love football) and was talking specifically about QBs and how hard it is to predict which guys will make it.  He said that if you dont have confidence and character then you have very little chance to make it in the NFL unless you are EXTREMELY talented.  
Do I think zach was a bit immature when he was picked - yes.
Do I think it was a HUGE jump from BYU to this media market (and fan base) - yes
Do I think its really hard to start as a rookie for almost every QB - yes.
Do I think a lot of this is on him for handling some situations poorly - yes.
But at the end of the day, there was a great video of his Pats performance next to his BYU tape and it was really stark to see how (yes he had a clean pocket at BYU) often he attacked single coverage down the field. The kid really just played - he didnt seem to be thinking all that much. 
I also understand while saleh had the inclination to coach zach to be conservative and not turn it over, that does make sense with a good defense but you also need to look at the player and the situation and see that something isnt working.  To me, Saleh needs to tell zach to "just play!  I dont care if you have 3 picks im staying with you".  Let the kid take shots like he did on sunday night, we have too many playmakers to be conservative and frankly we have nothing to lose.  Plus the OL is really playing well with this group and should give him time vs Denver.
Just let it rip zach!

Thing about Sunday is ... he didn't really have many (any?) plays that would count as "near interceptions" either. He was throwing lots but not taking bad risks. Often with "let it rip" you need to be lucky as well as good. He was just ... good. No luck required.

Boy does it feel weird writing that!

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[frankiepapa]

Thing about Sunday is ... he didn't really have many (any?) plays that would count as "near interceptions" either. He was throwing lots but not taking bad risks. Often with "let it rip" you need to be lucky as well as good. He was just ... good. No luck required.

Boy does it feel weird writing that!

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Like an idiot, I say there counting Mississippi each time the ball was snapped and it's all about getting rid of it quick... not sure why it's taken so long to see this... need to get a w in Denver

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[Hex]

His villian arc began last season

This was the last game the Jets won that season

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Maybe they'll get exposed in the long run, but CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson already look like franchise QBs.

Panthers may have whiffed taking Doug Flutie #1 overall.

[Claymation]

59 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Give these dorks about 8 minutes

So Artificial Intelligence are dorks or the people who created the Artificial Intelligence are dorks?

[rbstern]

5 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Maybe they'll get exposed in the long run, but CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson already look like franchise QBs.

Panthers may have whiffed taking Doug Flutie #1 overall.

 

As tape accumulates and defensive coordinators learn tendencies, the young QB job gets harder.  That's usually the root cause of the common "sophomore slump."  Frequently happens with rookie baseball players.  Hitting is harder the 2nd year, as pitchers figure out what you have trouble hitting.

The key is, can the young QB adapt to elevated defensive tenacity that takes away what they are best at?  Perfect example: Justin Fields.  If defenses are keying on his runs, then he has to up his passing game.  He hasn't.  It shows.

[extmenace]

3 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Maybe they'll get exposed in the long run, but CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson already look like franchise QBs.

Panthers may have whiffed taking Doug Flutie #1 overall.

A lot of these young QBs start off looking decent. Maybe not great but you see the potential and flashes. It’s just a matter of when they have their first bad game. Then their 2nd bad game. Then their first extended slump…Then when the confidence starts getting shaky, how do they respond? Most of these high draft picks have everything they need to be elite as far as physical traits go. The difference between the busts, good, and greats is the mental side.  The bad ones can’t get the confidence back, inconsistent guys can’t stay level headed and have ups and downs, and the legit starting qbs are very strong minded and never lose the confidence. 

if Zach wants to stick, he has to figure out a way to get the confidence back and then keep it. He has been completely broken up until Sunday night.

[Jetluv58]

I think the Namath thing pissed him off. He’d had enough.

[Pac]

[Dunnie]

Maybe they'll get exposed in the long run, but CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson already look like franchise QBs.
Panthers may have whiffed taking Doug Flutie #1 overall.

It's common .. especially for running QBs to take the world by surprise ... then the world catches up.

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[JetPotato]

1 hour ago, jamesr said:

Thing about Sunday is ... he didn't really have many (any?) plays that would count as "near interceptions" either. He was throwing lots but not taking bad risks. Often with "let it rip" you need to be lucky as well as good. He was just ... good. No luck required.

Boy does it feel weird writing that!

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That's not true. There were some near picks.

1) Screen play near the 2 minute warning before halftime, hit defender in the hands and dropped.

2) Zach didn't see the safety on the TD pass to Lazard. Luckily, it was just slightly behind Lazard and defender just missed it. 

3) 3rd and 11 overthrow to Cobb in 3rd quarter, directly to Edwards. Cobb made a great play to break it up as the defender.

Other than those, he was pretty sharp. Some really great throws especially to the TEs.

[JetPotato]

21 minutes ago, Claymation said:

So Artificial Intelligence are dorks or the people who created the Artificial Intelligence are dorks?

Yes

[DonCorleone]

5 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

It's common .. especially for running QBs to take the world by surprise ... then the world catches up.

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Don Majkowski.........

[Warfish]

16 minutes ago, Jetluv58 said:

I think the Namath thing pissed him off. He’d had enough.

Then I hope Namath insults and offends him every week for the rest of his career, if that's what it takes to get actual performance/production from him.

Although I'd prefer it if Namath insults him even more, so we get four good quarters and a win out of him, not just a quarter and a drive of good play.

[Vader]

 

[BCJet]

1 hour ago, jamesr said:

Thing about Sunday is ... he didn't really have many (any?) plays that would count as "near interceptions" either. He was throwing lots but not taking bad risks. Often with "let it rip" you need to be lucky as well as good. He was just ... good. No luck required.

Boy does it feel weird writing that!

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Correct me if im wrong, but didnt he also almost completely avoid the middle of the field?  GW throws were basically all out routes and the 2 big throws to the TEs were sideline throws.  Rogers said he didnt talk to zach much but it sure seems like zach took a page out of his book with avoiding the middle of the field, taking short outs and checkdowns and then taking shots down the field on the sideline.  

[Barry McCockinner]

1 hour ago, jamesr said:

Thing about Sunday is ... he didn't really have many (any?) plays that would count as "near interceptions" either. He was throwing lots but not taking bad risks. Often with "let it rip" you need to be lucky as well as good. He was just ... good. No luck required.

Boy does it feel weird writing that!

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Cobb broke up one pass that could have been intercepted if he didn't.

[jamesr]

47 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

That's not true. There were some near picks.

1) Screen play near the 2 minute morning before halftime hit defender in the hands and dropped

2) Zach didn't see the safety on the TD pass to Lazard. Luckily, it was just slightly behind Lazard and defender just missed it. 

3) 3rd and 11 overthrow to Cobb in 3rd quarter, directly to Edwards. Cobb made a great play to break it up as the defender,

Other than those, he was pretty sharp. Some really great throws especially to the TEs.

Thanks - I did wonder if there were one or two I'd missed / forgotten. But off of 39 throws, if he was truly in "gunslinger" mode you'd expect a lot more, IMHO. 3 in 39 plays seems fairly run of the mill. As you say, he was sharp most of the time, and not requiring miracle catches by the receiver to get the completions. Most of his throws were where the receiver would want them to be, or where they needed to be to avoid the DB.

Long may it continue.  

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

It's time..