JT O’Sullivan breaking down Jets Chiefs is awesome (Patreon channel, but worth the $5)

[T0mShane]

—Disclaimer: it’s on his Patreon channel so it’ll cost five bucks to watch it, but it is very much worth it if you’re curious about what was happening in the Chiefs game with Zach and the offense. Halfway through it, and the major takeaways so far

—This was O’Sullivan’s first time seeing any of this game, so he’s experiencing everything in real time, with hysterical results. He clearly goes in not thinking much of either Hackett or Zach (which isn’t uncommon in the football nerd analyst world), but he goes through each offensive play and shows why they worked or (more often) didn’t work.
 

—Likens many of Hackett’s early play calls to Greg Roman’s crappy Baltimore route combos, and shows what the route combos should look like in an easier, more efficient offense.

—Is pretty fair to distribute both blame and praise to Zach. His conclusion from the first half is that Zach is improved and got screwed by the scheme on a bunch of plays, but still missed multiple TD opportunities by holding the ball. The end zone “drop” by Conklin, for instance, was caused by Zach not throwing it earlier, as Conklin was open for a full second on the play. The back would have also scored on the play if Zach simply took the checkdown.

—While the OL played better, O’Sullivan shows McGovern getting blown back into Zach’s feet repeatedly, which screws up Zach on a few pass attempts. 
 

—O’Sullivan also does a great job of showing how open Garrett Wilson is on so many plays, and a few plays where Lazard’s route running is so sh*tty that it kills the whole concept. 
 

Very good stuff if you’re curious about what the future might look like for both Zach and Hackett. So far, O’Sullivan is exasperated with them both, but I’m at the point in the video right after the lob TD to Uzomah. 
 

https://www.patreon.com/posts/zach-wilson-week-90298770

[slats]

Ooh, look at Man of the People @T0mShane with his patreon membership. 

[FidelioJet]

I have to honest.  And just my view of the situation.

1) I'm not going to pay the $5

2) While I absolutely appreciate you taking the time to write this up.....Your dislike of Zach is so skewed to the negative that's it's hard to believe your interpretation of what this guy is saying

 

[Zachtomims47]

My take away was-

Offense should be Breece and Wilson for 90 percent of it. Critiqued Cook for taking bad running lanes and making things harder. 

Zach left at least 2 easy TDs on the field. 

Hackett is obsessed with that “Greg Roman” route, he ran it over and over with poor success. And with Lazard getting bullied often on his route. 

But encouraged how the offense and ZW progressed as the game went on. Basically just need throw that route concept in the garbage. 

Overall nothing bad bad from Zach, just some plays he’s still missing completely. You hope the confidence and experience in this offense helps those. 

[FidelioJet]

1 minute ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Zach left at least 2 easy TDs on the field.

If one of those is the Conklin drop it's BS.

Zach was flushed out of the pocket and threw the ball and soon as he was able to set his feet.  If he throws the ball before he sets his feet (across is body mind you) it would have floated and been picked off.  

That's a mistake he used to make, this time he waited until his feet were set. - And then he gave his receiver a chance and he couldn't make the play (yes, it would have been a great and impressive catch, but one NFL WR/TE's make throughout the league regularly.

 

[T0mShane]

12 minutes ago, slats said:

Ooh, look at Man of the People @T0mShane with his patreon membership. 

I like to flaunt my wealth by paying for harsh Zach Wilson critiques!

[T0mShane]

12 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I have to honest.  And just my view of the situation.

1) I'm not going to pay the $5

2) While I absolutely appreciate you taking the time to write this up.....You're dislike of Zach is so skewed to the negative that's it's hard to believe your interpretation of what this guy is saying

 

This is why I paid the $5, Fidelio—to have experts explain to me why Zach Wilson sucks ass. 
 

Also agree with @Zachtomims47—he wasn’t especially harsh on Zach and was able to point out areas where the players around him and the scheme cost him on a bunch of plays. He sh*t on Hackett much more than Zach, imo. 

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

My take away was-

Offense should be Breece and Wilson for 90 percent of it. Critiqued Cook for taking bad running lanes and making things harder. 

Zach left at least 2 easy TDs on the field. 

Hackett is obsessed with that “Greg Roman” route, he ran it over and over with poor success. And with Lazard getting bullied often on his route. 

But encouraged how the offense and ZW progressed as the game went on. Basically just need throw that route concept in the garbage. 

Overall nothing bad bad from Zach, just some plays he’s still missing completely. You hope the confidence and experience in this offense helps those. 

Will watch the second half later, but O’Sullivan was definitely trending more positive as the adjustments were made. I liked his point about asking Zach to throw from the same launch point repeatedly to start the game. 

[Zachtomims47]

9 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

If one of those is the Conklin drop it's BS.

Zach was flushed out of the pocket and threw the ball and soon as he was able to set his feet.  If he throws the ball before he sets his feet (across is body mind you) it would have floated and been picked off.  

That's a mistake he used to make, this time he waited until his feet were set. - And then he gave his receiver a chance and he couldn't make the play (yes, it would have been a great and impressive catch, but one NFL WR/TE's make throughout the league regularly.

 

That play should have gone to the flat, it was a pick/rub route, freeing up Carter in the flat. For whatever reason he didn’t throw it. 

4:18 mark

[slimjasi]

Not the biggest O’Sullivan guy. Never been blown away by his analysis. 

I'm not paying 5 bucks, but I would be curious to see what he is talking about on the Conklin play - Wilson was running for his life on the play. 

[Creepy Lurker]

22 minutes ago, slats said:

Ooh, look at Man of the People @T0mShane with his patreon membership. 

This swiftie elitist is out of control. 

[FidelioJet]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is why I paid the $5, Fidelio—to have experts explain to me why Zach Wilson sucks ass. 
 

Also agree with @Zachtomims47—he wasn’t especially harsh on Zach and was able to point out areas where the players around him and the scheme cost him on a bunch of plays. He sh*t on Hackett much more than Zach, imo. 

Exactly.  I get the sense you scoured the internet to find something negative about the big ZW and couldn't find anything but eventually had to go down the pay wall route to get it

Seriously, of course he wasn't perfect.  I wouldn't expect him to be.  The real take away from the game was he played within the offense for a full game - he mostly looked comfortable and no deer in the headlight moments.  That was the first time he did that.  I realize that's not particularly special, but the really is if that wasn't a fluke and he's capable of doing that consistently he has all the other tools.   That's is why I think so many Jet fans were excited and something a single game analysis can't possibly understand.

[slimjasi]

 

For the folks who like free stuff, here is Simms showing the Conklin play (and talking about a bunch of other stuff - Conklin play is at 48:00)

Yeah, Zach abandoned the first read too quickly, which ended up being wide open for an easy TD. 

 

[rtnelson]

7 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Not the biggest O’Sullivan guy. Never been blown away by his analysis. 

I'm not paying 5 bucks, but I would be curious to see what he is talking about on the Conklin play - Wilson was running for his life on the play. 

The play was designed to pick the LB and break open Carter for an easy TD.  Zach was looking at it, it was wide open for an easy score but he didn't pull the trigger.  The end result still should have been a TD with a better ball / better catch, but it shouldn't have been that hard to begin with.

I didn't watch JT's video but saw this play broken down elsewhere.

[FidelioJet]

8 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

That play should have gone to the flat, it was a pick/rub route, freeing up Carter in the flat. For whatever reason he didn’t throw it. 

4:18 mark

Yeah, it looks like he sees him a split second too late and then the rush was on top of him.  He was looking the other way and probably held on to the read prior a half a second too long.  Had he had that half second back he probably does get it to the back in the flat.

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, rtnelson said:

The play was designed to pick the LB and break open Carter for an easy TD.  Zach was looking at it, it was wide open for an easy score but he didn't pull the trigger.  The end result still should have been a TD with a better ball / better catch, but it shouldn't have been that hard to begin with.

I didn't watch JT's video but saw this play broken down elsewhere.

yes - i posted it above. it looked like Zach didn't let it develop and came off Carter too quickly. it was WIDE open

[#27TheDominator]

18 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

If one of those is the Conklin drop it's BS.

Zach was flushed out of the pocket and threw the ball and soon as he was able to set his feet.  If he throws the ball before he sets his feet (across is body mind you) it would have floated and been picked off.  

That's a mistake he used to make, this time he waited until his feet were set. - And then he gave his receiver a chance and he couldn't make the play (yes, it would have been a great and impressive catch, but one NFL WR/TE's make throughout the league regularly.

 

Drop my ass.  You'd miss that ball 10 times out of 10.  So would Ozzy Newsome. 

[JetPotato]

22 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

If one of those is the Conklin drop it's BS.

Zach was flushed out of the pocket and threw the ball and soon as he was able to set his feet.  If he throws the ball before he sets his feet (across is body mind you) it would have floated and been picked off.  

That's a mistake he used to make, this time he waited until his feet were set. - And then he gave his receiver a chance and he couldn't make the play (yes, it would have been a great and impressive catch, but one NFL WR/TE's make throughout the league regularly.

 

Nope. Carter was wide open long before the actual throw and Zach had an easy lane right to him and passed on it. Carter would have walked into the end zone.

[TuscanyTile2]

41 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

—Disclaimer: it’s on his Patreon channel so it’ll cost five bucks to watch it, but it is very much worth it if you’re curious about what was happening in the Chiefs game with Zach and the offense. Halfway through it, and the major takeaways so far

—This was O’Sullivan’s first time seeing any of this game, so he’s experiencing everything in real time, with hysterical results. He clearly goes in not thinking much of either Hackett or Zach (which isn’t uncommon in the football nerd analyst world), but he goes through each offensive play and shows why they worked or (more often) didn’t work.
 

—Likens many of Hackett’s early play calls to Greg Roman’s crappy Baltimore route combos, and shows what the route combos should look like in an easier, more efficient offense.

—Is pretty fair to distribute both blame and praise to Zach. His conclusion from the first half is that Zach is improved and got screwed by the scheme on a bunch of plays, but still missed multiple TD opportunities by holding the ball. The end zone “drop” by Conklin, for instance, was caused by Zach not throwing it earlier, as Conklin was open for a full second on the play. The back would have also scored on the play if Zach simply took the checkdown.

—While the OL played better, O’Sullivan shows McGovern getting blown back into Zach’s feet repeatedly, which screws up Zach on a few pass attempts. 
 

—O’Sullivan also does a great job of showing how open Garrett Wilson is on so many plays, and a few plays where Lazard’s route running is so sh*tty that it kills the whole concept. 
 

Very good stuff if you’re curious about what the future might look like for both Zach and Hackett. So far, O’Sullivan is exasperated with them both, but I’m at the point in the video right after the lob TD to Uzomah. 
 

https://www.patreon.com/posts/zach-wilson-week-90298770

Out of curiosity, did he say anything about the play just before halftime where Zach missed a pass to (what looked to me like) a wide open GW that could've (should've?) been a TD?  I didn't even notice how bad it was at the time.

 

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, JetPotato said:

Nope. Carter was wide open long before the actual throw and Zach had an easy lane right to him and passed on it. Carter would have walked into the end zone.

Yea, there was nothing wrong with the throw to Conklin itself, it's that he should have thrown it to Carter who was wide open and his first read

[#27TheDominator]

I can imagine he will be complaining about the long deep right completion to Lazard.  Lazard had McDuffie beaten like a rented mule while Zach was stutter stepping on the rollout.  It was a long completion and still a missed opportunity.  Zach didn't really get to step into the throw, but it could have easily been picked and the main reason it wasn't was because McDuffie was beaten so bad he couldn't turn for the ball. 

[TuscanyTile2]

Also, did he talk about the flea flicker play?  I thought ZW didn't have a chance to throw it because of the pass rush.  I think Jetsfan80 is the person I was arguing with, who thought ZW basically had a chance but blew it.

[Pac]

Here saved you $5.  These are just as good as JT's. 

Definitely Zachs best game as a Jet.  Not perfect but so much better than we're accustomed to.

 

[TuscanyTile2]

11 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

I can imagine he will be complaining about the long deep right completion to Lazard.  Lazard had McDuffie beaten like a rented mule while Zach was stutter stepping on the rollout.  It was a long completion and still a missed opportunity.  Zach didn't really get to step into the throw, but it could have easily been picked and the main reason it wasn't was because McDuffie was beaten so bad he couldn't turn for the ball. 

There was also a guy right in his face as he threw the ball.  He had to make sure that pass wasn't tipped.

[#27TheDominator]

Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

There was also a guy right in his face as he threw the ball.  He had to make sure that pass wasn't tipped.

Watch the play again.  He could have thrown it way sooner.  As soon as Lazard turns up the CB and S are both coming towards the LOS.  At the point he made the throw he couldn't step into it and it became a dangerous underthrow. The timing of the rollout didn't really match the route.  I assume they didn't think the LB would be free there.

[Saul Goodman]

38 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

If one of those is the Conklin drop it's BS.

 

But the pass from Mike White to Berrios versus Minnesota was a bad pass, not a drop…too funny.

Right back to where you were the past years. Nothing is ever Zach’s fault 😂

[Integrity28]

52 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I have to honest.  And just my view of the situation.

1) I'm not going to pay the $5

2) While I absolutely appreciate you taking the time to write this up.....You're dislike of Zach is so skewed to the negative that's it's hard to believe your interpretation of what this guy is saying

 

Kinda how we feel about your affinity for illogical nonsense.

[T0mShane]

14 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Out of curiosity, did he say anything about the play just before halftime where Zach missed a pass to (what looked to me like) a wide open GW that could've (should've?) been a TD?  I didn't even notice how bad it was at the time.

 

Haven’t gotten to that part yet. 

13 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

I can imagine he will be complaining about the long deep right completion to Lazard.  Lazard had McDuffie beaten like a rented mule while Zach was stutter stepping on the rollout.  It was a long completion and still a missed opportunity.  Zach didn't really get to step into the throw, but it could have easily been picked and the main reason it wasn't was because McDuffie was beaten so bad he couldn't turn for the ball. 

Covered it pretty comprehensively. The Chiefs were lining up their OLB really wide the first half and the Jets couldn’t figure out how to block him. Blew up a Breece Hall run early and screwed up the naked boot on the flea flicker. JT felt like he should have just thrown it, but once the edge guy got on him, Zach did a good job just to give Lazard a chance. Ultimately concluded that it could have been a TD if Zach ripped it, but came down on criticizing the blocking on the play and said something to the effect that he’d have had to produce a “magic” throw to get it where it needed to be for the TD

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said:

But the pass from Mike White to Berrios versus Minnesota was a bad pass, not a drop…too funny.

Right back to where you were the past years. Nothing is ever Zach’s fault 😂

[JagsFanJif]

42 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is why I paid the $5, Fidelio—to have experts explain to me why Zach Wilson sucks ass. 
 

Also agree with @Zachtomims47—he wasn’t especially harsh on Zach and was able to point out areas where the players around him and the scheme cost him on a bunch of plays. He sh*t on Hackett much more than Zach, imo. 

JT is one of my favorite, Chase Daniel has been posting some good stuff lately too.  One thing consistent w/ JT is he almost always hates everyones scheme and concepts, probably the jaded failed QB syndrome.  In this instance, you have him saying that Hackett failed Wilson, yet Wilson left multiple TD's on the field.  Ok?  Which is it?  Not every play called is a home run, they cant all be perfect.  Just not how it goes.  And as much as players failed Zach per JT, they also bailed him out.  There were a couple of huge plays by his guys from that vain, Lazard's comeback, Cobb's reach for the first down, Wilson's finger tip grab on a wild ball, dudes were making plays for him too, that's the game.  Anywho, one of the best in the biz but just wanted to point that out.

 

 

[Integrity28]

19 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Yea, there was nothing wrong with the throw to Conklin itself, it's that he should have thrown it to Carter who was wide open and his first read

Huh? Conklin had to lay out completely to even have a chance. 

 

[slimjasi]

2 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Huh? Conklin had to lay out completely to even have a chance. 

 

He was running to his left. Thought he was kind of lucky to even get it to him. 
 

should have thrown it to Carter 

[#27TheDominator]

28 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Out of curiosity, did he say anything about the play just before halftime where Zach missed a pass to (what looked to me like) a wide open GW that could've (should've?) been a TD?  I didn't even notice how bad it was at the time.

 

I thought that ball might have been tipped at the line, but I could never get a very good look.

[Beerfish]

Sullivan is very good, his QB analysis and tips are excellent.  I've never gone the patreon route but his youtubes are very useful.

[BurntDice]

It seems like zachs main problem still is lack of confidence. He’s waiting too long trying to decide if he should go there instead of just throwing it