MaybeOneDay Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 I’ve always hated the way Bill Belichicken awkwardly retired as the Jets head coach…of course he was subsequently traded to NE, they drafted Brady, and the rest is history. All these years, I’ve assumed great Jets success has BB stuck around… However; I’ve had an epiphany: Unless the Jets drafted Brady, BB would have been very mediocre with the Jets and probably would been fired after 4-5 years. It’s obvious at this point it was 90% Brady, and 10% BB. Where the Jets really messed up was firing Pete Carroll. I think it’s pretty obvious he’s better than BB, although popular opinion will say otherwise. Parcells is far and away the best head coach the Jets ever had. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Adoni Beast Posted October 4 Popular Post Share Posted October 4 Yes. Belichick’s record pre and post Brady says everything anyone needs to know + Spygate. He’s a middle class man’s Eric Mangini. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 I have felt this way for years the QB stirs the drink 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Bellichek is the greatest coach of all time. Hes the greatest defensive mind that ever lived. Why do jet fans do this? 1 7 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 17 minutes ago, MaybeOneDay said: I’ve always hated the way Bill Belichicken awkwardly retired as the Jets head coach…of course he was subsequently traded to NE, they drafted Brady, and the rest is history. All these years, I’ve assumed great Jets success has BB stuck around… However; I’ve had an epiphany: Unless the Jets drafted Brady, BB would have been very mediocre with the Jets and probably would been fired after 4-5 years. It’s obvious at this point it was 90% Brady, and 10% BB. Where the Jets really messed up was firing Pete Carroll. I think it’s pretty obvious he’s better than BB, although popular opinion will say otherwise. Parcells is far and away the best head coach the Jets ever had. And somehow, they manage to beat us again and again. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaybeOneDay Posted October 4 Author Share Posted October 4 3 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Bellichek is the greatest coach of all time. Hes the greatest defensive mind that ever lived. Why do jet fans do this? Yeah, he's doing great without Brady. He may be the best Defensive Coordinator of all time, but he's a very slightly-above-average Head Coach....and he's an A-Hole on top of it...the way he treats the media is abysmal. Nope, Parcells is the best Head Coach of all time, and Pete Carroll is up there as well, certainly better than BB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaybeOneDay Posted October 4 Author Share Posted October 4 2 minutes ago, Bronx said: And somehow, they manage to beat us again and again. Yup, BB excels against bad, young QB's....and the Jets have had an unbelievable stream of bad, young QB's these last 12 years. *sighs* 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 1 minute ago, MaybeOneDay said: Yeah, he's going great without Brady. He may be the best Defensive Coordinator of all time, but he's a very slightly-above-average Head Coach....and he's an A-Hole on top of it...the way he treats the media is abysmal. Nope, Parcells is the best Head Coach of all time, and Pete Carroll is up there as well, certainly better than BB. Parcells won squat w/o bellichek. Only jet fans would try to argue against bellichek being great in the midst of their team losing to him 15 straight times. Hahahahaha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetswinbaby! Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Here... Have a few more... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falco21 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 I have said it for years, Bellichick is an average to below average head coach without Brady. It is so obvious since Brady has left. Further, if you look at his draft picks as a GM, he is God awful. Now you are seeing that play out given they don't have the best QB to ever play the game at the helm. One of the biggest fakes in sports history. Hard to prove otherwise 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaybeOneDay Posted October 5 Author Share Posted October 5 2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Parcells won squat w/o bellichek. Only jet fans would try to argue against bellichek being great in the midst of their team losing to him 15 straight times. Hahahahaha. Yeah, cuz the Jets record is so great vs. the rest of the league.... BB has been completely mediocre without Brady. Period. Jets have been crap vs. pretty much everyone the last 12 years. If Mike McCarthy was head coach of the Patriots, he'd beat the Jets 15 straight times also. The Jets suck. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 3 minutes ago, MaybeOneDay said: Yeah, cuz the Jets record is so great vs. the rest of the league.... BB has been completely mediocre without Brady. Period. Jets have been crap vs. pretty much everyone the last 12 years. If Mike McCarthy was head coach of the Patriots, he'd beat the Jets 15 straight times also. The Jets suck. Every coach woulld be mediocre w/ mac jones at qb. Bellichek actually got the the playoffs with him. That might be his greatest accomplisment of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 You never know how that would have played out. He might have drafted Brady to the Jets but then Woody probably doesn't deal under the table, Brady doesn't take as friendly of contracts and the team doesn't have the same success because they have to pay Brady more money. Even with Brady I'm not sure Woody would have fired him for being mediocre. He had just bought the team and BB was the heir to Parcells. In this hypothetical we might still have Parcells in the building looking over the shoulder which would make firing BB even less likely. I agree--without Brady he has been mediocre at best. He had at that point only had his awful career in CLE and success under Parcells' wing. I don't think he is a bad coach but like many head coaches he knows how to win when he's got the pieces to do it. IMO he's not trying especially hard to have winning seasons anymore. He seems to be out to win games and beat Shula's record before he retires. Hard not to come to that conclusion when he rolled into last year without an OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.GANGGREEN28 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Just now, Joe W. Namath said: Bellichek is the greatest coach of all time. Hes the greatest defensive mind that ever lived. Why do jet fans do this? You can both agree with this and acknowledge that without Brady, Belichick has a career 80-91 record with 1 single playoff win. In 10 seasons with no Brady, he won no division titles and had a losing record 7/10 years, about to be 8/11. I read somewhere that he’s 31-64 vs .500 and above teams without Tom. The obvious argument is that you don’t win in this league without a really good QB.. true. But with that logic, how could you ever know who’s a potential “goat” head coach if they don’t have a HOF/goat QB to pair up with? BB is a great coach but his goat status should be credited to Dick Rehbein for suggesting that the Patriots draft Brady in the 6th round. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 12 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Parcells won squat w/o bellichek. Only jet fans would try to argue against bellichek being great in the midst of their team losing to him 15 straight times. Hahahahaha. So the captain thing is just Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaybeOneDay Posted October 5 Author Share Posted October 5 No person…QB, Coach, GM, ect. Can do it alone. I think that’s the takeaway. Marino never won a SB. Does Jerry Rice ever win a SB playing his entire career with the Cardinals? On that scenario, he’s Larry Fitzgerald. Football is the ultimate team sport…why coaches are forever talking about culture. Man I really hope this season lays out favorably for the Jets…at least get to .500 without AR…It would suck to see Joe D. and Saleh let go and have to start back at square 1… 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 hour ago, Falco21 said: I have said it for years, Bellichick is an average to below average head coach without Brady. It is so obvious since Brady has left. Further, if you look at his draft picks as a GM, he is God awful. Now you are seeing that play out given they don't have the best QB to ever play the game at the helm. One of the biggest fakes in sports history. Hard to prove otherwise So bellichek is a fake, yet you praise tom brady who took more hgh and testosterone then any player in nfl history. Yeah, that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold's Forehead Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Reid > Belicheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Bellichek is the greatest coach of all time. Hes the greatest defensive mind that ever lived. Why do jet fans do this? Do you wake up mad that the sun is shining? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 2 hours ago, MaybeOneDay said: I’ve always hated the way Bill Belichicken awkwardly retired as the Jets head coach…of course he was subsequently traded to NE, they drafted Brady, and the rest is history. All these years, I’ve assumed great Jets success has BB stuck around… However; I’ve had an epiphany: Unless the Jets drafted Brady, BB would have been very mediocre with the Jets and probably would been fired after 4-5 years. It’s obvious at this point it was 90% Brady, and 10% BB. Where the Jets really messed up was firing Pete Carroll. I think it’s pretty obvious he’s better than BB, although popular opinion will say otherwise. Parcells is far and away the best head coach the Jets ever had. I think you forget how good Chad was before the shoulder injury, and he would have had 2 years of Vinny with Curtis before that. Bad take. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 2 hours ago, MaybeOneDay said: Yeah, he's doing great without Brady. He may be the best Defensive Coordinator of all time, but he's a very slightly-above-average Head Coach....and he's an A-Hole on top of it...the way he treats the media is abysmal. Nope, Parcells is the best Head Coach of all time, and Pete Carroll is up there as well, certainly better than BB. I think coaching almost adults is the hardest thing IE most college kids. The best coaches of all time are all college coaches. Carroll was great. Saban is amazing Some older coaches as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballLove Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 tup....and we would have the most BORING HC in the league. His pressers would be just a frustrating mumble of nothingness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 3 hours ago, MaybeOneDay said: I’ve always hated the way Bill Belichicken awkwardly retired as the Jets head coach…of course he was subsequently traded to NE, they drafted Brady, and the rest is history. All these years, I’ve assumed great Jets success has BB stuck around… However; I’ve had an epiphany: Unless the Jets drafted Brady, BB would have been very mediocre with the Jets and probably would been fired after 4-5 years. It’s obvious at this point it was 90% Brady, and 10% BB. Where the Jets really messed up was firing Pete Carroll. I think it’s pretty obvious he’s better than BB, although popular opinion will say otherwise. Parcells is far and away the best head coach the Jets ever had. ...Rex Ryan enters the room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Pete Carrol couldn’t become Pete Carrol without the Jets firing him. It is an integral element of his origin story. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said: So bellichek is a fake, yet you praise tom brady who took more hgh and testosterone then any player in nfl history. Yeah, that makes sense. So you're saying the only reason Belichick won anything was because his best player took a ton of hgh and testosterone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falco21 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 5 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: So bellichek is a fake, yet you praise tom brady who took more hgh and testosterone then any player in nfl history. Yeah, that makes sense. Not sure if serious..... And yeah I praise Brady. Unlike maybe the vast majority, Brady is legitimately the best QB I've ever watched on a football field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falco21 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 4 hours ago, Hex said: So you're saying the only reason Belichick won anything was because his best player took a ton of hgh and testosterone? Duh! That makes total sense.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Have you guys looked at the Patriots roster the last few years? Vince Lombardi himself wouldn’t win with these teams. In fact, you can argue that they should’ve had the first pick in the draft at some point. BB kept them competitive with a dog crap roster. This years roster is the worst in the NFL, so the fall is expected. Especially now after injuries. They are in the first pick overall convo. The real problem is, BB the GM needs to go. But there isn’t a better game day HC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1. Tom Brady wasn't TB12 for those first 3 Super Bowls. He was an average to above average QB until about his 5th year starting. The early dynasty was all BB. 2. The Jets are 0-7 vs the Pats since Brady left NE. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 A lot is hypothetical. But I think it takes both the HC and QB to be good to be great. If we drafted Mahomes and he was with Bowles or Gase... I don't think he's the Mahomes we see today. I think he's that bc he's with Andy Reid. I wasn't on this forum yet, but I was MOD on FF for the Jets and I was screaming for us to hire Daboll at HC over anyone else. For this reason. I thought he could do to Zach what he did with Allen in BUF. We saw him make Jones good last year (given they look awful this year). But over time... Daboll has shown he can make QBs great. Look at Shanahan in SF. He can pretty much make any QB look good. You put Purdy with us and he's not who we see out there in SF. What happened with Brady is so rare. He was a late round flier and was actually the 4th QB on the depth chart as a rookie. Bledsoe had a decent year and became the highest paid QB. So NE wasn't looking to start Brady at all. Mo Lewis ruined that Week 2 and forced Brady in. The rest is history. Brady lets not forget wasn't great as a 2nd year player and 1st year starting, he had 18 TDs to 12 INTs. That team had a good OL and great defense and that's why they won. Much like how we did with Sanchez as a rookie and 2nd year player. But Brady was learning this whole time how to be a good QB. But had that learning curve. It wasn't until Brady's 3rd year and 2nd year starting where he looked good. He wasn't exactly this QB that was drafted in the 6th and came in and took the league by storm. It was his year 3 that he individually was a difference maker at QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 I think the OP's point is crazy. TB12 or not, BB is still one of the all-time greats. Which HC do you think is better than him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagsFanJif Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Biggest fraud in the history of sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 9 hours ago, Lupz27 said: I think coaching almost adults is the hardest thing IE most college kids. The best coaches of all time are all college coaches. Carroll was great. Saban is amazing Some older coaches as well. What?! College coaches get to recruit players to super-teams. Look at how many college greats were failures in the NFL. Saban was one of them. Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer, Lou Holtz, Dennis Ericksen, Greg Schiano, Lane Kiffin, Bobby Petrino Jimmy Johnson and Pete Carroll were great in both though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 11 hours ago, MaybeOneDay said: I’ve always hated the way Bill Belichicken awkwardly retired as the Jets head coach…of course he was subsequently traded to NE, they drafted Brady, and the rest is history. All these years, I’ve assumed great Jets success has BB stuck around… However; I’ve had an epiphany: Unless the Jets drafted Brady, BB would have been very mediocre with the Jets and probably would been fired after 4-5 years. It’s obvious at this point it was 90% Brady, and 10% BB. Where the Jets really messed up was firing Pete Carroll. I think it’s pretty obvious he’s better than BB, although popular opinion will say otherwise. Parcells is far and away the best head coach the Jets ever had. Weeb is the best coach the jets ever had. As for the bellichicken, I don’t think Brady became the qb he was until after his third or fourth season. People seem to forget that Bledsoe played one of the playoff games during their first sb run. Brady lucked into the tuck rule. Bellichicken is a heck of a coach and the jets would’ve done pretty well with him from 2000 on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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