Most pressures among edge defenders

[FactsOnly]

wonder if he’ll play more than 1/3 of the game 

[CrazyCarl40]

JD twiddling his thumbs while the price to get him under contract goes up. Insane. 

[Bleedin Green]

Just now, CrazyCarl40 said:

JD twiddling his thumbs while the price to get him under contract goes up. Insane. 

At this point, Huff has absolutely no reason to accept an offer from the Jets.

JFM, JJ, and McDonald all had far more invested in them by JD than Huff, so he's never getting the pay or playing time while he's here.  He can surely find a better opportunity in many, many other places, JD cemented that with the McDonald selection.

[FactsOnly]

11 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

At this point, Huff has absolutely no reason to accept an offer from the Jets.

JFM, JJ, and McDonald all had far more invested in them by JD than Huff, so he's never getting the pay or playing time while he's here.  He can surely find a better opportunity in many, many other places, JD cemented that with the McDonald selection.

Why not both

Huff and McDonald on the edges with Q on the inside is vicious

[The Crusher]

18 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

wonder if he’ll play more than 1/3 of the game 

Play him less and trade him next year? Wow 

[EM31]

Lawson will be off the books at some point.  Maybe not as soon as many of us would like but definitely after this year

 

[Bleedin Green]

2 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

Why not both

Huff and McDonald on the edges with Q on the inside is vicious

That would involve JD moving on from both JFM (big contract) and JJ (1st rounder), which is literally never going to happen.

[Falco21]

People have been quick to sh*t on JD lately...

I wonder if anyone is sh*tting on this undrafted free agent signing from 2020? You know, kind of similar to Quincy Williams who was cut from Jacksonville and has arguably became one of the best linebackers in the NFL....

[Ecuadorian Jet]

24 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

wonder if he’ll play more than 1/3 of the game 

He will. He is making believers out of the coaches. In this, I have full confidence.

[doitny]

3 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

Why not both

Huff and McDonald on the edges with Q on the inside is vicious

cant pay everyone. 

if you sign Huff then a big bulk of that money either comes next year when we need some space to sign people or in 2025 when we get a 60 mil Rodgers cap hit. that why McDonald was drafted, to team with JJ. 

if Huff wants a 4 year deal that will take him to 2027, the 1st year of mega deals to GW and Sause plus Hall will get a nice raise in 2026.

[doitny]

8 minutes ago, Falco21 said:

People have been quick to sh*t on JD lately...

I wonder if anyone is sh*tting on this undrafted free agent signing from 2020? You know, kind of similar to Quincy Williams who was cut from Jacksonville and has arguably became one of the best linebackers in the NFL....

he is good at finding UDFAs. he might have found another one in Gipson.

everyone sh*ts on Saleh too. who do they think is developing these defensive guys.

[pointman]

So basically, if our coaching staff wasn't a bunch of dunces.. we would have the second highest pressure count player. Huff > Watt and definitely better than almost Jet, Bosa.

[Anthony Jet]

Real like Bryce huff as a player, great find as an UDFA, really good player. Hes got 1 sack thru 5 games, let’s pump the brakes on him being top 5 edge rusher in the league. Doesnt mean he isn’t a good player but gotta get the sacks to be up there on the top

[Obrien2Toon]

Jfm on the edge on passing downs is criminal 

[Bronx]

4 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

JD twiddling his thumbs while the price to get him under contract goes up. Insane. 

Sleepy Joe. 

[LIJetsFan]

11 hours ago, EM31 said:

Lawson will be off the books at some point.  Maybe not as soon as many of us would like but definitely after this year

 

Irony:

Most here didn't want to pay him.

I think JD kept him as insurance. 

He's the one who's injured.   

[rex-n-effect]

Lawson is almost certainly out after this year. Douglas maybe tries to trade away JFM. 

Even with those moves, there are still too many guys who will want to get paid what they're worth. Eventually some good defensive linemen will have to go. This is what teams with good rosters do. I know, it's unusual here. When you develop an excess of talent at a position you can moderate costs by having rookie contracts in the unit. You let some good players go on trades and comp picks. Then you don't have to rely upon extreme luck in the draft and paying premiums for aging vets in free agency. 

Jettisoning JFM to keep Huff makes the most sense if Douglas can find a buyer. 

[Lupz27]

6 hours ago, FactsOnly said:

Why not both

Huff and McDonald on the edges with Q on the inside is vicious

Ummm JJ has to have a role.

[Sperm Edwards]

9 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

At this point, Huff has absolutely no reason to accept an offer from the Jets.

JFM, JJ, and McDonald all had far more invested in them by JD than Huff, so he's never getting the pay or playing time while he's here.  He can surely find a better opportunity in many, many other places, JD cemented that with the McDonald selection.

If he gets another injury and goes on IR, and he heads into FA with just 1 sack while he’s still months away from hopefully running full speed…

If we were in December I’d agree with you, but there’s still a lot of football left this year, which means a lot more opportunity for injury. It’s a rough sport and even the strongest get injured. There’s a long list of players who bet on themselves and it blew up in their faces. 

Hard to know what his value is (contract-wise) when he’s not getting voted to probowl and all pro lists, and the team would be bidding against itself. Premium position, but he’s not getting the premium stat even though they’re mostly putting him in on obvious passing plays with well-rested breathers in between. So it’s hard to guess what he’d get.

The time to try to lock him up is before he racks up some sacks, though, when he only finally got 1 this year against an older QB who actually holds the ball longer than Zach Wilson.

[rangerous]

10 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

At this point, Huff has absolutely no reason to accept an offer from the Jets.

JFM, JJ, and McDonald all had far more invested in them by JD than Huff, so he's never getting the pay or playing time while he's here.  He can surely find a better opportunity in many, many other places, JD cemented that with the McDonald selection.

Not for nothing but JJ had a heck of a game on Sunday.  Huff played well too.  The thing is signing huff for next season and beyond isn’t critical.  If he walks in free agency the jets will get a pretty high compensation pick.  I think they’ll make him an offer but it’s not going to be crazy high.

[Anthony Jet]

40 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

If he gets another injury and goes on IR, and he heads into FA with just 1 sack while he’s still months away from hopefully running full speed…

If we were in December I’d agree with you, but there’s still a lot of football left this year, which means a lot more opportunity for injury. It’s a rough sport and even the strongest get injured. There’s a long list of players who bet on themselves and it blew up in their faces. 

Hard to know what his value is (contract-wise) when he’s not getting voted to probowl and all pro lists, and the team would be bidding against itself. Premium position, but he’s not getting the premium stat even though they’re mostly putting him in on obvious passing plays with well-rested breathers in between. So it’s hard to guess what he’d get.

The time to try to lock him up is before he racks up some sacks, though, when he only finally got 1 this year against an older QB who actually holds the ball longer than Zach Wilson.

As of right now Huff has Warning track power 

[Matt39]

Hard to fathom that the Jags didn’t take Hutchinson  at 1.

[Bleedin Green]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

If he gets another injury and goes on IR, and he heads into FA with just 1 sack while he’s still months away from hopefully running full speed…

If we were in December I’d agree with you, but there’s still a lot of football left this year, which means a lot more opportunity for injury. It’s a rough sport and even the strongest get injured. There’s a long list of players who bet on themselves and it blew up in their faces. 

Hard to know what his value is (contract-wise) when he’s not getting voted to probowl and all pro lists, and the team would be bidding against itself. Premium position, but he’s not getting the premium stat even though they’re mostly putting him in on obvious passing plays with well-rested breathers in between. So it’s hard to guess what he’d get.

The time to try to lock him up is before he racks up some sacks, though, when he only finally got 1 this year against an older QB who actually holds the ball longer than Zach Wilson.

It is fair that injury is the one potential motivation for Huff to consider offers, but with only 2/3 of a season left to go until FA, the Jets would need to make that offer today and still make it a much better deal than his current one, even if potentially less than he could get as a FA. He's still not going to be scared enough to take #4 DE money and he really shouldn't be. Short of a career-ending type injury, he'd still be able to get at least that in FA, so Jets would need to do better.

I also actually completely agree with the concept of questioning the true contract value of a backup DE getting pressures but not sacks. However, if wondering whether a player can really get paid for that, I present to you.... Carl Lawson.

[Bobby816]

Pretty remarkable considering all those other guys probably have at least 33% more snaps than him. 

[jamesr]

56 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Hard to fathom that the Jags didn’t take Hutchinson  at 1.

Outsmarted themselves with the Walker pick if you ask me. Detroit will be forever grateful.

[chirorob]

11 hours ago, FactsOnly said:

Why not both

Huff and McDonald on the edges with Q on the inside is vicious

I'll call McDonald vicious after he makes his 1st sack.   Or solo tackle.

[hmhertz]

1 minute ago, jamesr said:

Outsmarted themselves with the Walker pick if you ask me. Detroit will be forever grateful.

Speaking of Detroit, we were at the same level as them when we played them

in the SR Bowl. In fact we had better resources. Few years latter they are a better team.

I there by conclude Douglas is a bum and the coach he hired and his staff are dopes

[hmhertz]

7 minutes ago, chirorob said:

I'll call McDonald vicious after he makes his 1st sack.   Or solo tackle.

Van Ginkel is a better pass rusher than any of our lauded edge rushers

[FidelioJet]

They have no intention of bringing Huff back. 

Again, they reached for a second round prospect at #15 overall to replace him.  

The Huff ship has sailed.

[JohnnyLV]

I am not so sure Huff's contract would be all that prohibitive. He is an elite pass rusher, but the sack totals are low, which will slot him below the elite guys. His contract should be able to be structured for little impact. I have to think he is one of the most held players in the NFL. Reality is that teams do not fear JFM, JJ, or Mac as pass rushers. Ulbrich needs to scheme him into different spots

[JohnnyLV]

1 minute ago, FidelioJet said:

They have no intention of bringing Huff back. 

Again, they reached for a second round prospect at #15 overall to replace him.  

The Huff ship has sailed

MacDonald is Lawson's replacement

[FidelioJet]

5 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said:

MacDonald is Lawson's replacement

JJ is Lawson's replacement.  It's why you're barely seeing Lawson right now now - JJ has taken most of his snaps.

McDonald won't be able to hold up in the run game.

[Sonny Werblin]

Bryce Huff is a really good situational rusher. I hope he gets paid accordingly. But, remember he's not an every down DE. He's an edge rusher. McDonald may be the guy they are thinking can replace Huff next season. What I keep wondering is if the Jets could land Chase Young in free agency. That would be a game changer.  

[Claymation]

 

12 hours ago, FactsOnly said:

wonder if he’ll play more than 1/3 of the game 

Only one of those edge rushers was undrafted. Great job by this FO to find diamonds in the rough. 

[Sperm Edwards]

57 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

It is fair that injury is the one potential motivation for Huff to consider offers, but with only 2/3 of a season left to go until FA, the Jets would need to make that offer today and still make it a much better deal than his current one, even if potentially less than he could get as a FA. He's still not going to be scared enough to take #4 DE money and he really shouldn't be. Short of a career-ending type injury, he'd still be able to get at least that in FA, so Jets would need to do better.

I also actually completely agree with the concept of questioning the true contract value of a backup DE getting pressures but not sacks. However, if wondering whether a player can really get paid for that, I present to you.... Carl Lawson.

Yep agree with all this.

To make it worth Huff's while, it has to happen while there are still like a dozen games left in which to sustain a serious injury that'd carry over to the offseason. He waits until there are just a handful of games left...then the only way he locks up Huff is if he more or less matches his agent's asking price. 

Then again, I thought Quincy might possibly break through the $10MM mark after starting the prior two seasons, and with the added benefit of helping to keep his brother from wanting to search elsewhere, and then Douglas gets him locked him up at 6 as he's just come into his own. It's easier to put a pricetag on elite players, because you see what other elite players are getting. For guys whom they're paying for potential at least in some ways, it's a lot harder to nail down because that's determined by a lot more eye of the beholder variety.

Anyway I think we'd all like to keep him, but in light of him closing the deal so infrequently - particularly with such a strong comparative secondary helping to create coverage sack opportunities - it has to make sense for the team, too.