Zach Wilson still isn't good

[kevinc855]

You all get that right? The Jets were totally inept in every statistical state on offense. He was at the bottom of QB's starting in the league at 73.2 QB rating. He had 6 TD's and 7 INTs. He missed open revievers all the time and took bad sacks. 

Just beacuse a 3rd string biuddy of Rodgers named Tim Boyle was bad does not make Zach Wilson good. 

What it means is JD built one of the worst QB rooms in football. 

[playtowinthegame]

1 minute ago, kevinc855 said:

You all get that right? The Jets were totally inept in every statistical state on offense. He was at the bottom of QB's starting in the league at 73.2 QB rating. He had 6 TD's and 7 INTs. He missed open revievers all the time and took bad sacks. 

Just beacuse a 3rd string biuddy of Rodgers named Tim Boyle was bad does not make Zach Wilson good. 

What it means is JD built one of the worst QB rooms in football. 

 

JD has used all his mulligans up. He has to be fired at the end of the season.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

ZW is done here, he will never take another snap again for the jets, and good riddance. Now, that in no way fixes the disaster we have on offense, and quite frankly, neither does a 40 year old AR. Everyone spent so much time blaming everything on ZW that they completely lost site on how bad everything is on offense. All I kept reading was how Simien is a professional QB, he can run this offense. Boyle is a proffesional QB and a quick decision maker, he will distritube the ball all over and fix this offense. Well, the offense looked like dog sh*t with everyone. The QB is one position, not 11. We have 2 good pieces on offense and the rest is dog sh*t. We have zero ability to run, zero ability to pass protect, one good receiver and one good back and the rest is dog sh*t

[Biggs]

3 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

You all get that right? The Jets were totally inept in every statistical state on offense. He was at the bottom of QB's starting in the league at 73.2 QB rating. He had 6 TD's and 7 INTs. He missed open revievers all the time and took bad sacks. 

Just beacuse a 3rd string biuddy of Rodgers named Tim Boyle was bad does not make Zach Wilson good. 

What it means is JD built one of the worst QB rooms in football. 

Rodgers had 0 QB rating playing in the same O.  

[Integrity28]

4 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

ZW is done here, he will never take another snap again for the jet

People said this last year.

[Beerfish]

Wilson is bad

Wilson is better than Boyle

Wilson is better than Siemian

Thus you play your best alternative, that being Wilson

Wilson will be gone next year so no long term worries but he is the only guy that can seem to actually win a game for the Jets.

[kevinc855]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Wilson is bad

Wilson is better than Boyle

Wilson is better than Siemian

Thus you play your best alternative, that being Wilson

Wilson will be gone next year so no long term worries but he is the only guy that can seem to actually win a game for the Jets.

I think Wilson is shelved for the year

[Beerfish]

3 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

I think Wilson is shelved for the year

Probably correct but he shouldn't be.   He is gone after this year anyway, play your best players even if it is the the best of a terrible lot.

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

I love football so I’ve just been watching redzone these last 2 weeks. Jets are completely unwatchable, regardless of which horrific qb they trot out there. It’s just not entertaining.

JD saleh, Hackett, everyone should be fired. (They won’t be unfortunately) A qb should be drafted with our top 5 pick (but we won’t because it will upset Arod)

The direction and state of the franchise gives me nothing to look forward to. It’s so hard to root for them when everything they do is wrong.

[Larz]

I’m at the point where I hope he escapes this sh*tshow and gets to back up with a legitimate franchise and maybe get back on track

 

[Adoni Beast]

34 minutes ago, Larz said:

I’m at the point where I hope he escapes this sh*tshow and gets to back up with a legitimate franchise and maybe get back on track

 

I kind of agree that this team has been so bad that I want to see them suffer humiliation. I kind of felt like that with Bowles and Gase but I had hope of regime and QB changes to fix the problems. It’s gotten to the point of no hope at all with this franchise.

It’s gotten so bad that I almost want to see Darnold vs Wilson in a Super Bowl where they are starting for the Patriots and Giants.

[TuscanyTile2]

38 minutes ago, Larz said:

I’m at the point where I hope he escapes this sh*tshow and gets to back up with a legitimate franchise and maybe get back on track

Same here.  Plus if we're rooting for the tank, it's in our best interests for either Siemian or Boyle to be our QB.

[TuscanyTile2]

6 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

I kind of agree that this team has been so bad that I want to see them suffer humiliation. I kind of felt like that with Bowles and Gase but I had hope of regime and QB changes to fix the problems. It’s gotten to the point of no hope at all with this franchise.

It’s gotten so bad that I almost want to see Darnold vs Wilson in a Super Bowl where they are starting for the Patriots and Giants.

I get the feeling many Jet fans are upset and want someone to pay the price for something.  Even if nobody ends up getting fired, I'm rooting for the Jets to end the season with 10 losses in a row.  I want to see Woody's response to that (especially after he raised prices on the STH's).

I liked Bowles as a person so I didn't want to see him suffer any humiliation.  I still root for the guy to succeed. 

Gase I couldn't stand but I think he was just plain nuts. 

Saleh seems like he's a nice guy and I don't dislike him or anything but sometimes he's really annoying and comes across as a phony.  For example, he talks about the Navy Seals (who are all about "extreme ownership") but doesn't come anywhere close to living up to it.  The convo he had with Joe B about ZW ("regarding number 3, Joe B, are you serious?") was absolutely outrageous!  I'm surprised it hasn't been picked up yet by sportswriters.  Also, he talks in PC's like he's the DC rather than the HC.  And he's yet another Jet HC who loves to talk smack before the team ever accomplishes anything.  There are more things but those are a few off the top of my head.

[BurntDice]

Zach hasn’t played in weeks yet is still one of the main topics. This fanbase has problems 

[CrazyCarl40]

56 minutes ago, Larz said:

I’m at the point where I hope he escapes this sh*tshow and gets to back up with a legitimate franchise and maybe get back on track

 

Back on track to what, exactly? He’s a huge bust, a terrible QB, and his future is holding a clipboard. He’s currently doing his future job. 

[section314]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Wilson is bad

Wilson is better than Boyle

Wilson is better than Siemian

Thus you play your best alternative, that being Wilson

Wilson will be gone next year so no long term worries but he is the only guy that can seem to actually win a game for the Jets.

If my math correct, didn’t he win 9 of the 11 games we’ve won this season and last?

[rex-n-effect]

1 hour ago, kevinc855 said:

I think Wilson is shelved for the year

It seems they are trying to avoid injury and further depleting what little trade value he might have for a team that thinks they can rehab him. There's no other way to look at the other two guys as a better option to put on the field. 

[Warfish]

42 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

This fanbase has problems 

And the QB position is #1 on the list of problems.

But you knew that.

[Warfish]

26 minutes ago, section314 said:

If my math correct, didn’t he win 9 of the 11 games we’ve won this season and last?

Are we STILL rolling out the "He Won" argument, even now?

SMH.

And no, the Jets record in games started by Zach Wilson the past two years is 8-10.  Not 9.

Source:  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsZa00.htm

Just like our GM and Head Coach, Zach is basically a .333 or worse winner.

[Plen T]

Playing Semien, someone who has negative trade value and 0 chance to get better or net ANYTHING in a trade, is IDIOTIC

[Plen T]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Are we STILL rolling out the "He Won" argument, even now?

SMH.

And no, the Jets record in games started by Zach Wilson the past two years is 8-10.  Not 9.

Source:  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsZa00.htm

Post it without Zach they’ve lost out twice now after he’s benched 

The bottom line is this regime is simply AWFUL

[Maxta_p]

zach is the best available qb on the roster. you cant stand there and argue otherwise

[Integrity28]

17 minutes ago, Plen T said:

Post it without Zach they’ve lost out twice now after he’s benched 

The bottom line is this regime is simply AWFUL

Context matters. They’ve benched him late after the season is lost and the team quits on the Head Cheerleader.

[JoJoTownsell1]

2 hours ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

I love football so I’ve just been watching redzone these last 2 weeks. Jets are completely unwatchable, regardless of which horrific qb they trot out there. It’s just not entertaining.

JD saleh, Hackett, everyone should be fired. (They won’t be unfortunately) A qb should be drafted with our top 5 pick (but we won’t because it will upset Arod)

The direction and state of the franchise gives me nothing to look forward to. It’s so hard to root for them when everything they do is wrong.

I think we should hope to lose out, get a top 4 pick. Trade down for a 2nd plus.  Use the later first on WR or OL then use the 2nd on a QB we can develop. 

If wen are stuck with Rodgers, you can afford to take a QB a little later that you can groom while at the same time rebuilding the offense so the young QB can step into a functional system that isn't reliant on one good WR and no protection. 

[Ken Schroy]

3 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

You all get that right? The Jets were totally inept in every statistical state on offense. He was at the bottom of QB's starting in the league at 73.2 QB rating. He had 6 TD's and 7 INTs. He missed open revievers all the time and took bad sacks. 

Just beacuse a 3rd string biuddy of Rodgers named Tim Boyle was bad does not make Zach Wilson good. 

What it means is JD built one of the worst QB rooms in football. 

News at 11.

[peebag]

1 hour ago, BurntDice said:

Zach hasn’t played in weeks yet is still one of the main topics. This fanbase has problems 

The fanbase?

FU in the AH

 

[T0mShane]

40 minutes ago, Maxta_p said:

zach is the best available qb on the roster. you cant stand there and argue otherwise

He’s the best QB on the roster by design and the team still had to bench him.

[The Crusher]

2 hours ago, Larz said:

I’m at the point where I hope he escapes this sh*tshow and gets to back up with a legitimate franchise and maybe get back on track

 

That's fair but he hasn't been on track since he left BYU. 

[Jdeet]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Are we STILL rolling out the "He Won" argument, even now?

SMH.

And no, the Jets record in games started by Zach Wilson the past two years is 8-10.  Not 9.

Source:  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsZa00.htm

Just like our GM and Head Coach, Zach is basically a .333 or worse winner.

5-4 in 2022 and 4-6 in 2023 = 9-10 including beating Buffalo twice and the Eagles. The Jets are 2-8 without him. Not saying he is good. Just the facts. If we want to win any more games this year, then Zach is the best of 3 bad options. If we don’t want to win, we stick with Boyle. 

[BurntDice]

10 minutes ago, peebag said:

The fanbase?

FU in the AH

 

No FU in the AH

 

Take that!!!!

 

sick burn right???

[DoubleDown]

Yeah, he's bad.  He's still the best option on the roster right now.  As sad as that is.

[BurntDice]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

And the QB position is #1 on the list of problems.

But you knew that.

Sure, it’s like beating a dead horse tho. We all know the qbs are absolutely terrible. 
 

constantly talking about the guy who’s the 3rd qb on game day tho?? We know he sucks 

[Pac]

Siemian with a full week of reps will look at least as functional as Zip but more likely better. 

It's not good for draft position but this team needs a win.  The D deserves it. 

[section314]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Are we STILL rolling out the "He Won" argument, even now?

SMH.

And no, the Jets record in games started by Zach Wilson the past two years is 8-10.  Not 9.

Source:  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsZa00.htm

Just like our GM and Head Coach, Zach is basically a .333 or worse winner.

This is not minimizing how bad Zach has been, just responding to the statement that he has been the only guy who has won some games for us the last two years. He played with the same sh*ty OC’s, OL and other assorted bums as all the others did. That’s it. Period.

[Warfish]

1 minute ago, section314 said:

This is not minimizing how bad Zach has been, just responding to the statement that he has been the only guy who has won some games for us the last two years. He played with the same sh*ty OC’s, OL and other assorted bums as all the others did. That’s it. Period.

Zach Wilson is the poster child for why "wins" isn't a QB stat in football like it is in Baseball.

Any and almost all wins we've got the past three years have been in spite of Zach.  They're not his wins.

And to be clear, he didn't play with "the same bums".  He played plenty of games early in each year with healthy teams that hadn't yet quit, while all the backups have played after saving the season was too late, with rosters torn asunder by injuries and players no longer caring.  Not exactly apples for apples.

But yeah, it's gonna be a fun few weeks as folks tout all those Zach's "wins" as a Jet.  SMH.