"This Organization will lift you up."

[Jetfuel66]

Remember when Salah told Zach that "This organization will lift you up" on draft night? 

What a joke..... they have destroyed this kid. Literally NO idea how to develop a QB. They took his greatest strength, "off scripted plays" and coached him into a ZERO risk, afraid to take a chance QB.

I am not saying Zach doesn't have some responsibility in this mess, but you can see the kid is trying to do what he is told. Then when its desperation time they let him play his game and he gets it done. How many times in the last three years have we seen him complete the impossible fourth and long, third and a mile? 

I've seen it over and over, this CS is coaching him against his natural talent. Square peg, round hole. An innovative offensive coach would have this kid lighting it up. We may never see that now, he may be ruined. And for ALL of the SH*T this kid has been through with this team he has handled it well. A few bumps but he works hard and tries. you can see it. 

Anyway now they are saying he doesn't want to play. I don't believe that for a second.

And before all the Zach haters chime in...... HE SUCKS He sucks! 

I know...... but maybe he doesn't suck. Maybe he just came to the wrong team at the wrong time with the wrong staff and the wrong system.

 

[y2k8]

HE SUCKS He sucks! 

[Biggs]

There's an argument to be made that Zach does suck and if Joe Montana was drafted by JD to this team nobody would know who he is. 

[MR.GANGGREEN28]

12 minutes ago, Jetfuel66 said:

Remember when Salah told Zach that "This organization will lift you up" on draft night? 

What a joke..... they have destroyed this kid. Literally NO idea how to develop a QB. They took his greatest strength, "off scripted plays" and coached him into a ZERO risk, afraid to take a chance QB.

I am not saying Zach doesn't have some responsibility in this mess, but you can see the kid is trying to do what he is told. Then when its desperation time they let him play his game and he gets it done. How many times in the last three years have we seen him complete the impossible fourth and long, third and a mile? 

I've seen it over and over, this CS is coaching him against his natural talent. Square peg, round hole. An innovative offensive coach would have this kid lighting it up. We may never see that now, he may be ruined. And for ALL of the SH*T this kid has been through with this team he has handled it well. A few bumps but he works hard and tries. you can see it. 

Anyway now they are saying he doesn't want to play. I don't believe that for a second.

And before all the Zach haters chime in...... HE SUCKS He sucks! 

I know...... but maybe he doesn't suck. Maybe he just came to the wrong team at the wrong time with the wrong staff and the wrong system.

 

i agree with some parts, a little.. kind of.. but off scripted plays aren't off scripted if you script them. He can't do the basic bread and butter plays and that's why he blows. I do agree that this organization worked really hard to accentuate his suckness but he very much sucked on his own from day 1. Zach and the Jets were like the perfect storm of pure putrid offensive suckness. I really don't believe he would've been successful with another org. He'd be an adorable flight attendant for JetBlue though.

[BigRy56]

The official list of excuses for Zach

[GangGreened]

[Matt39]

21 minutes ago, Jetfuel66 said:

Remember when Salah told Zach that "This organization will lift you up" on draft night? 

What a joke..... they have destroyed this kid. Literally NO idea how to develop a QB. They took his greatest strength, "off scripted plays" and coached him into a ZERO risk, afraid to take a chance QB.

I am not saying Zach doesn't have some responsibility in this mess, but you can see the kid is trying to do what he is told. Then when its desperation time they let him play his game and he gets it done. How many times in the last three years have we seen him complete the impossible fourth and long, third and a mile? 

I've seen it over and over, this CS is coaching him against his natural talent. Square peg, round hole. An innovative offensive coach would have this kid lighting it up. We may never see that now, he may be ruined. And for ALL of the SH*T this kid has been through with this team he has handled it well. A few bumps but he works hard and tries. you can see it. 

Anyway now they are saying he doesn't want to play. I don't believe that for a second.

And before all the Zach haters chime in...... HE SUCKS He sucks! 

I know...... but maybe he doesn't suck. Maybe he just came to the wrong team at the wrong time with the wrong staff and the wrong system.

 

Zach was so committed to being lifted up by the Jets he never even moved to New York.

[Lurker89]

Can't wait for Zachs next chapter as a youth preacher preying on mom jeans.

[Trotter]

they will lift you up

and drop you right on your ass

[Warfish]

Zach simps are gonna simp.  Doesn't matter what we see from him on the field, they'll always be someone else to blame for the simp.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

[bitonti]

[Bronx]

"You are going to be a Jet4life"-

Joe "tiny-crooked nipple" Dogass

[Matt39]

23 minutes ago, Trotter said:

they will lift you up

and drop you right on your ass

Not much you can do with the kid if he’s gonna do the bare minimum and spend all of his time in Utah. Great players are made in the off-season. His consist of white water rafting and milf chasing on Mountain Time.

[Saul Goodman]

Zach is a smallish QB with no special talents other than a plus arm, that was competing to start at BYU a few months before he was drafted. He was never going to be good.

He still looks like a little kid, eating his Uncrustables, and people think the Jets doomed him from becoming a stud NFL QB. 
 

[Trotter]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

Not much you can do with the kid if he’s gonna do the bare minimum and spend all of his time in Utah. Great players are made in the off-season. His consist of white water rafting and milf chasing on Mountain Time.

i cant speak to any of that - you seem to have inside knowledge to zach, woody and Jetblue.

Zach stinks and needs to go for his own good and the team however, he alone is not the sole issue. There are many others starting with the GM and coaching staff.

[Trotter]

Just now, Saul Goodman said:

Zach is a smallish QB with no special talents other than a plus arm, that was competing to start at BYU a few months before he was drafted. He was never going to be good.

He still looks like a little kid, eating his Uncrustables, and people think the Jets doomed him from becoming a stud NFL QB. 
 

uncrustables are solid

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, Saul Goodman said:

Zach is a smallish QB with no special talents other than a plus arm, that was competing to start at BYU a few months before he was drafted. He was never going to be good.

He still looks like a little kid, eating his Uncrustables, and people think the Jets doomed him from becoming a stud NFL QB. 
 

Meh, his arm strength is elite, his release is particularly fast, and he's mobile. That's as much as he needs physically to be a top QB.

Unfortunately, none of that is strictly required to be an NFL starter. You need a minimum physical skill, not elite, and then beyond that it's about what's upstairs & how instantly it's processed. That's where he's lacking, and the rest of the physical skills aren't nearly enough to make up for it.

They'll draft another QB bust soon enough, I'm sure. To paraphrase from Wall Street, it'll just be the next version of a dog with different fleas.

The only thing they can hope for is to be drafting a QB in a class where everybody drafted ends up being between a legit starter and a star QB, like in 2020 (when we weren't even looking until round 4 when we just had to have James Morgan); something like that so they are removed from the ability to make a wrong selection.

[Hex]

Thr mistake that JD made was drafting a project to be the franchise savior. The CS claiming they would lift him up was bullcrap. They knew they couldn't, and just had to hope he would build himself. Which Zach failed miserably at.

[Beerfish]

The jets tried to lift him up but failed becasue wilson is a lousy qb and their plan failed.

They tried to do the things to give your QB a shot they tried to improve the oline, weapons and defense.

The problem is that after seeing Wilson was not the guy the front office 100% panicked and thus the Rodgers fiasco which effectively wrecked the team.

At least they had a plan and tried but their execution failed.

If you want to see 100% malfeasance by a front office it is the Darnold situation.

Darnold had, no oline at all, no receivers, no tight tes, no running backs and no defense and butt head mccganan had like 4 years to build up the team before taking darnold.

 

[NYs Stepchild]

[extmenace]

While I agree this team has had some serious issues developing offensive players, I’m not sure you can blame anyone for Zach’s inability to process the game in real time. One of the biggest knocks on him in college was that he never threw with anticipation. In college, he was throwing to open guys. In the NFL, he does the same. That’s not good enough. In the NFL you have to be able to throw guys open or you have to release the ball before the guy becomes open. The game is just too fast for him. Windows are small, throwing lanes are tight, guys may only be open for 1-2-3 steps. He rarely releases the ball unless his targets are already open.

[rangerous]

Not to muddy the water more than it has been but people seem to forget about mark Sanchez’s first two seasons.  In season one he completed about 55% of his passes with 12 tds and 20 ints.  In season two he completed about 55% of his passes with 17 tds and 13 ints.  This season Zach is completing 59% of his passes with 6 tds and 7 ints.  But Sanchez is somehow a hero and Zach is a goat.  Both of these guys improved in year three. And Sanchez had a much better oline and run game.  People should think about how this kid hasn’t been allowed to shine more some of his bad plays caused by a shaky oline.

[Jetsfan80]

17 minutes ago, rangerous said:

Not to muddy the water more than it has been but people seem to forget about mark Sanchez’s first two seasons.  In season one he completed about 55% of his passes with 12 tds and 20 ints.  In season two he completed about 55% of his passes with 17 tds and 13 ints.  This season Zach is completing 59% of his passes with 6 tds and 7 ints.  But Sanchez is somehow a hero and Zach is a goat.  Both of these guys improved in year three. And Sanchez had a much better oline and run game.  People should think about how this kid hasn’t been allowed to shine more some of his bad plays caused by a shaky oline.

Dude, most here admit Mark Sanchez sucked, too.

Enough with the simping.  

[The Crusher]

Lift him up? The problem is they never sat him down. 

[rex-n-effect]

ZW sucks but the team certainly didn't lift him up. 

The other comment I remember from that offseason was Saleh talking about how they wanted to train him to throw in a phone booth. It was a huge error to draft a player completely incompatible with that style of play and when it was clear it wasn't working out, a compounding error that they kept trying to force him to be a player he just isn't. 

If they were dead set on drafting ZW, they should have developed a college-style offense for him and let him play hero ball while the defense kept them competitive. Let him try to mature into a pro QB along the way. He wouldn't have got there, but at least we would have had some fun along the way. 

[rangerous]

5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Dude, most here admit Mark Sanchez sucked, too.

Enough with the simping.  

Mark sanchez got the team to the AFC champ game twice despite the fact he had qb stats comparable to Zach.  You should know the game is not about getting one superior player.  It’s about the whole team working to win.  Hard for players to do it on one leg.  You should also know that the 2009 and 2010 teams were superior to this one, especially the oline.  And it’s hard when all the blame is being leveled at one player.  I suspect the players read the idiot talking heads and they also read the venom spewed here about Zach.  The same thing goes when people jump all over Hackett when I’m guessing there are receivers getting open but the qb not getting the ball to them.

[Warfish]

54 minutes ago, rangerous said:

Not to muddy the water more than it has been but people seem to forget about mark Sanchez’s first two seasons.  In season one he completed about 55% of his passes with 12 tds and 20 ints.  In season two he completed about 55% of his passes with 17 tds and 13 ints.  This season Zach is completing 59% of his passes with 6 tds and 7 ints.  But Sanchez is somehow a hero and Zach is a goat.  Both of these guys improved in year three. And Sanchez had a much better oline and run game.  People should think about how this kid hasn’t been allowed to shine more some of his bad plays caused by a shaky oline.

Sanchez was a horrible regular season QB who was literally carried by his team to the postseason.  He's no "hero", where on earth do you get that idea?  He's the best of our recent spate of busts (Sanchez, Geno, Hackenberg, Darnold, Wilson) but thats about it, and it's not really praise.

The one place Sanchez did excel was his play (mostly) once he was in the postseason, where he did elevate his game some.  

But your argument is a strawman, few if anyone thinks of Sanchez as a "hero".

[T0mShane]

3 hours ago, Jetfuel66 said:

Remember when Salah told Zach that "This organization will lift you up" on draft night? 

Like something you’d say when you’re adopting a Vietnamese orphan

[Plen T]

[chirorob]

[Jetsfan80]

50 minutes ago, rangerous said:

Mark sanchez got the team to the AFC champ game twice despite the fact he had qb stats comparable to Zach.  You should know the game is not about getting one superior player.  It’s about the whole team working to win.  Hard for players to do it on one leg.  You should also know that the 2009 and 2010 teams were superior to this one, especially the oline.  And it’s hard when all the blame is being leveled at one player.  I suspect the players read the idiot talking heads and they also read the venom spewed here about Zach.  The same thing goes when people jump all over Hackett when I’m guessing there are receivers getting open but the qb not getting the ball to them.

Sanchez sucked Zach sucked worse.  It’s not particularly complicated.

[rangerous]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Sanchez sucked Zach sucked worse.  It’s not particularly complicated.

You see, I don’t think that argument holds much water. Sanchez played on a much more established team with a better offense in just about every respect.  I’m not going to get into the argument that Zach doesn’t have the personnel and that’s why he makes his mistakes ( that was played all too often with darnold) but I don’t know of any young qb being thrust into such a bad situation.  And it’s not that it was bad on paper.  The oline personnel are, for the most part, okay and serviceable.  But when they all start getting knocked out then it’s a problem.  And I suspect other players are grumbling with Zach at qb.  Some people are just unlikeable and have limited leadership skills.  And there is near zero offensive team leadership.

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Sanchez sucked Zach sucked worse.  It’s not particularly complicated.

*sucks.  sucks.

[Jetsfan80]

32 minutes ago, rangerous said:

You see, I don’t think that argument holds much water. Sanchez played on a much more established team with a better offense in just about every respect.  I’m not going to get into the argument that Zach doesn’t have the personnel and that’s why he makes his mistakes ( that was played all too often with darnold) but I don’t know of any young qb being thrust into such a bad situation.  And it’s not that it was bad on paper.  The oline personnel are, for the most part, okay and serviceable.  But when they all start getting knocked out then it’s a problem.  And I suspect other players are grumbling with Zach at qb.  Some people are just unlikeable and have limited leadership skills.  And there is near zero offensive team leadership.

Bruh