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Yesterday Giants HC Brian Daboll announced that DeVito starts over Taylor. While Taylor gives the Giants the best chance to win, Daboll understands that the Giants playoff hopes are not realistic and it is more important to play the young QB to see if he has a real role as a backup on the Giants. It’s important to start to prepare and set the tone for 2024.

The Jets, on the other hand, seem ready to name Zach the starter again. Even though he has expressed a “reluctance to play” Salah will probably site that Zach gives the Jets the best chance to win. Once again demonstrating how clueless this franchise truly is. The Jets do not have a realistic chance to make the playoffs, therefore it no longer is about this season.  Instead of setting the tone for next season and making the point that “reluctance to play” is unacceptable they will show how gutless they are and start who they think is the best of a very poor QB room.

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3 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Tommy Devito can play.  This is an audition to see if he can be the opening day starter next year.

This.  Douglas thought that getting rodgers meant his qb issues were solved.  But you can’t hide your backup qb.  Repeat.  You can’t hide your backup qb.  That was the big mistake.  If he’s here for the 2024 offseason and draft, that needs to be the big priority, tackle and qb.  

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Just now, Augustiniak said:

This.  Douglas thought that getting rodgers meant his qb issues were solved.  But you can’t hide your backup qb.  Repeat.  You can’t hide your backup qb.  That was the big mistake.  If he’s here for the 2024 offseason and draft, that needs to be the big priority, tackle and qb.  

This is part of the mentality difference between and offensive-minded head coach and a defensive-minded one.

One is aggressive and understands you have to ...ya know actually TRY and score to win.

The other is frightened constantly at the big bad boogie man (Captain Turnover) and wants baseball scores at the end of the game in hope that the defense can and will win like this consistently.

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16 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

Yesterday Giants HC Brian Daboll announced that DeVito starts over Taylor. While Taylor gives the Giants the best chance to win, Daboll understands that the Giants playoff hopes are not realistic and it is more important to play the young QB to see if he has a real role as a backup on the Giants. It’s important to start to prepare and set the tone for 2024.

The Jets, on the other hand, seem ready to name Zach the starter again. Even though he has expressed a “reluctance to play” Salah will probably site that Zach gives the Jets the best chance to win. Once again demonstrating how clueless this franchise truly is. The Jets do not have a realistic chance to make the playoffs, therefore it no longer is about this season.  Instead of setting the tone for next season and making the point that “reluctance to play” is unacceptable they will show how gutless they are and start who they think is the best of a very poor QB room.

So what, you want them to set the tone for next season but starting....Simien? Rypien? 

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I've learned to take all media reporting with some skepticism and am indifferent on who plays qb for the rest of the year as it will have no impact on the 2024 season, though it could move draft spots.  Whoever they feel gives the best chance to lose a close game is my preferred choice.

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The same Giants org that only a few weeks back went with a backup QB they didn't trust to throw a single forward pass after their starter got hurt, a decision that cost them a very winnable game? Then rushed back their previously injured starter so as not to play said backup again, and promptly got him injured again, this time putting him out for the season?

Model franchise. :D  

 

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46 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

Yesterday Giants HC Brian Daboll announced that DeVito starts over Taylor. While Taylor gives the Giants the best chance to win, Daboll understands that the Giants playoff hopes are not realistic and it is more important to play the young QB to see if he has a real role as a backup on the Giants. It’s important to start to prepare and set the tone for 2024.

The Jets, on the other hand, seem ready to name Zach the starter again. Even though he has expressed a “reluctance to play” Salah will probably site that Zach gives the Jets the best chance to win. Once again demonstrating how clueless this franchise truly is. The Jets do not have a realistic chance to make the playoffs, therefore it no longer is about this season.  Instead of setting the tone for next season and making the point that “reluctance to play” is unacceptable they will show how gutless they are and start who they think is the best of a very poor QB room.

Difference is the Giants are looking at DeVito as a potential backup.

Boyle and Ol Trevor there are not potential backups. Zach isn't a backup either but you have to start somebody.

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Just now, shawn306 said:

Difference is the Giants are looking at DeVito as a potential backup.

Boyle and Ol Trevor there are not potential backups. Zach isn't a backup either but you have to start somebody.

Start a player that wants to start and is not reluctant. That is the message you send the team. I would start Siemian.

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47 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

Yesterday Giants HC Brian Daboll announced that DeVito starts over Taylor. While Taylor gives the Giants the best chance to win, Daboll understands that the Giants playoff hopes are not realistic and it is more important to play the young QB to see if he has a real role as a backup on the Giants. It’s important to start to prepare and set the tone for 2024.

The Jets, on the other hand, seem ready to name Zach the starter again. Even though he has expressed a “reluctance to play” Salah will probably site that Zach gives the Jets the best chance to win. Once again demonstrating how clueless this franchise truly is. The Jets do not have a realistic chance to make the playoffs, therefore it no longer is about this season.  Instead of setting the tone for next season and making the point that “reluctance to play” is unacceptable they will show how gutless they are and start who they think is the best of a very poor QB room.

 

Giants gave Daniel Jones that contract. They lost to the Jets. Daboll looks like he eats enough everyday to feed a small village. 

F the Giants.

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38 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

This is part of the mentality difference between and offensive-minded head coach and a defensive-minded one.

One is aggressive and understands you have to ...ya know actually TRY and score to win.

The other is frightened constantly at the big bad boogie man (Captain Turnover) and wants baseball scores at the end of the game in hope that the defense can and will win like this consistently.

And as we see, it impacts the decision the gm makes too.

when you cut through all the crap, the team they field in 2024 with a healthy rodgers should still be able to compete.  Assume they get a tackle in round 1 and get a wr in FA.  The offense, if that OL is healthy, should be fine.  The d is still ready.  The big question for me is what they do at qb.  Qbs are getting dinged everywhere and teams would be wise to keep their competent backups. 

I think the jets need to get aggressive on day 2.  There are probably going to be qbs at the top of round 2 worth developing.  Trade a 2025 pick (not a first rounder) and package that early 3rd rounder and move up and get a qb.  Sign the best vet you can.  Now your qb room is completely changed

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On 12/6/2023 at 9:48 AM, Matt39 said:

They got rid of him because Zach’s feelings were hurt

Boyle, the 29 year old kid is the one who would be held back by the 23 year old ZW?  That’s it?  It was Zach’s feelings not the fact that Boyle somehow was 100% worse than Zach, didn’t play better like the experts here predicted? 
You just keep making it up as you go along.  

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1 hour ago, JetsFanatic said:

Yesterday Giants HC Brian Daboll announced that DeVito starts over Taylor. While Taylor gives the Giants the best chance to win, Daboll understands that the Giants playoff hopes are not realistic and it is more important to play the young QB to see if he has a real role as a backup on the Giants. It’s important to start to prepare and set the tone for 2024.

The Jets, on the other hand, seem ready to name Zach the starter again. Even though he has expressed a “reluctance to play” Salah will probably site that Zach gives the Jets the best chance to win. Once again demonstrating how clueless this franchise truly is. The Jets do not have a realistic chance to make the playoffs, therefore it no longer is about this season.  Instead of setting the tone for next season and making the point that “reluctance to play” is unacceptable they will show how gutless they are and start who they think is the best of a very poor QB room.

The backup QB is not on the roster. Losing out can mean jobs, even with AR in the building. They have to show some sort of competence to close out the year. "Tanking" isn't a real thing, players and coaches want their jobs. 

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15 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

And as we see, it impacts the decision the gm makes too.

when you cut through all the crap, the team they field in 2024 with a healthy rodgers should still be able to compete.  Assume they get a tackle in round 1 and get a wr in FA.  The offense, if that OL is healthy, should be fine.  The d is still ready.  The big question for me is what they do at qb.  Qbs are getting dinged everywhere and teams would be wise to keep their competent backups. 

I think the jets need to get aggressive on day 2.  There are probably going to be qbs at the top of round 2 worth developing.  Trade a 2025 pick (not a first rounder) and package that early 3rd rounder and move up and get a qb.  Sign the best vet you can.  Now your qb room is completely changed

I'm less concerned about Rodgers ability to return in by a top 5 QB and what pieces we can add on the OL and WR corp....and more concerned about the OL and overall coaching mentality.

From what @football guy has been talking about regarding the philosophy of managing the OL on a snap count-rotational basis, hindering continuity + chemistry + stamina....it almost seems unless this fundamentally changes we are doomed. Couple that with the fact that our Head Coach is doing the same old Herm, Rex, Bowles ultraconservative offense and let my defense win the game and we have a recipe for continued disaster. 

I don't have doubts we can get the rights players on the OL and WR for next year....but will it matter?

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The Jets have a laundry list of bad screwups from the top on down this season.

That said, the Giants don't "get" dick. Their handpicked, offensive-minded head coach signed off on guaranteeing Daniel Jones 2 years at $40MM (plus a 3rd year gets effectively guaranteed if/when he gets injured again next year, too), and none of his big cap hits have even happened yet. 

Saying it isn't doing it, but if Rodgers returns to the field (and is kept upright, and/or if the QB2 is of NFL-caliber next season) the Jets should be at worst a competitive team if not a playoff team. The Giants will have to wait out two more seasons of Daniel Jones, next time around potentially without Barkley to help hide him. 

His own flaws (and age) notwithstanding, though many have tried, it's hard to understate how bad the non-Rodgers QBs are. As they're only 8-4 now with Mahomes, despite superior coaching (at least on offense) there's every likelihood the Chiefs are underwater with an outright losing record if their QB room was Zach + Boyle + Siemian. Instead, they're going to head into the postseason as a SB contender yet again despite weak tackles and essentially just a TE reliably getting open & catching passes. 

The Giants suck, and they badly screwed themselves up for another year or two with no daylight.

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I read these responses and frankly the point of this thread is going over a lot people’s heads. Starting Zach is not holding a young player back. The point is, starting Zach sends a poor message because  he has expressed his reluctance to play. I didn’t realize it would be that hard to understand.

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