Zach Wilson is not Josh Rosen

[Dunnie]

I have heard on numerous national radio stations today, that people can see Zach ending up with the Chiefs next year , serving as Maholmes' backup and getting coached up by Reid. Then traded for a first round pick.

 

His physical abilities are just undeniable ... people are realizing it's a mental maturity thing. That can be developed .. god given talent cannot. The next four games will tell the tale ... Either the game has slowed down or not.

 

So long Zachy boy ... We hardly knew ya. Good luck wherever ye may land.

 

 

 

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[Integrity28]

One good game.

He keeps it up, he’s still a Jet next year. Y’all need to get a grip.

[Hex]

He has talent, but no skill. It would be nice to see him succeed, though, as unlikely as that is.

[T0mShane]

26 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

I have heard on numerous national radio stations today, that people can see Zach ending up with the Chiefs next year , serving as Maholmes' backup and getting coached up by Reid. Then traded for a first round pick.

Numerous radio stations coincidentally hypothesized this rather specific fantasy? 

[Dunnie]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Numerous radio stations coincidentally hypothesized this rather specific fantasy? 

Believe it or not yes... Boomer on the fan ... And one of the tube heads. Numerous was poor wording .. should have said a couple.

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Edited December 13, 2023 by Dunnie

[Integrity28]

36 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Numerous radio stations coincidentally hypothesized this rather specific fantasy? 

All of them. At the same time. He lives in a bunker with 257 handheld radios playing simultaneously and all powered by decomposing bean sprouts stolen from Bronx MacGregors farm.

[Paradis]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

I have heard on numerous national radio stations today, that people can see Zach ending up with the Chiefs next year , serving as Maholmes' backup and getting coached up by Reid. Then traded for a first round pick.

Good god, Dunnie. Have some self respect.

[shevys]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

 

So long Zachy boy ... We hardly knew ya. Good luck wherever ye may land.

 

 

Nope…knew him too well. 

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

Believe it or not yes... Boomer on the fan ... And one of the tube heads. Numerous was poor wording .. should have said a couple.

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Well, Blaine Gabbert is the Chiefs backup now and has been a good statistical comp for Zach. Can they trade him for a first? 

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

Can’t wait for this tool to be off the team.
Kid had 1 decent game in the last 3 years. Doesn’t matter what he does the next 4 games. He sucks. 

[Green Ghost]

It’s time for @Dunnie’s weekly ode to Zach thread I see.

 

[derp]

25 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Well, Blaine Gabbert is the Chiefs backup now and has been a good statistical comp for Zach. Can they trade him for a first? 

Whoa there ************.

[Dunnie]

Well, Blaine Gabbert is the Chiefs backup now and has been a good statistical comp for Zach. Can they trade him for a first? 

Good point ...maybe a 6th or 7th

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[BornJetsFan1983]

7 hours ago, Dunnie said:

 

I have heard on numerous national radio stations today, that people can see Zach ending up with the Chiefs next year , serving as Maholmes' backup and getting coached up by Reid. Then traded for a first round pick.

 

His physical abilities are just undeniable ... people are realizing it's a mental maturity thing. That can be developed .. god given talent cannot. The next four games will tell the tale ... Either the game has slowed down or not.

 

So long Zachy boy ... We hardly knew ya. Good luck wherever ye may land.

 

 

 

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You can't tell the game slowed down for hims since KC. ???

[Dunnie]

20 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

You can't tell the game slowed down for hims since KC. ???

I can, but for whatever reason he has been playing ultra conservative scared to win football until last week..

He also got very lucky on one or two throws.

He needs 3-4 more games like last week.

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Edited December 13, 2023 by Dunnie

[The Crusher]

10 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

One good game.

He keeps it up, he’s still a Jet next year. Y’all need to get a grip.

Hell no, he’s good as gone. Not KC though. Seattle, boy needs rain to ball out, 

[JiFtheOracle]

8 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

It’s time for @Dunnie’s weekly ode to Zach thread I see.

 

This is like playing every single hole 4 over, you've broke multiple clubs, contemplated your life and why you're wasting money on the sport and then you par 18 and you walk off the course, like see, told you mother****ers I could play.  This sh*t is easy, I'm a scratch golfer now! 

[More Cowbell]

11 hours ago, Dunnie said:

 

I have heard on numerous national radio stations today, that people can see Zach ending up with the Chiefs next year , serving as Maholmes' backup and getting coached up by Reid. Then traded for a first round pick.

 

His physical abilities are just undeniable ... people are realizing it's a mental maturity thing. That can be developed .. god given talent cannot. The next four games will tell the tale ... Either the game has slowed down or not.

 

So long Zachy boy ... We hardly knew ya. Good luck wherever ye may land.

 

 

 

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I swear, it's  like some people were in a coma the last 3 seasons

[chirorob]

10 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Numerous radio stations coincidentally hypothesized this rather specific fantasy? 

The Chiefs take him, pay him his very high backup QB salary, and then trade him after his contract has expired.

And teams give up a #1, because Andy says he is better now, because he's not playing with Mahomes there.

[rangerous]

Zach to KC?  Do the jets really want to get torched by him when they play again in a couple of years?  Is Andy Reid even going to be coach if and when Zach takes over from Mahomes?  Mahomes still has a few years on his contract, anyone think they will trade / release Mahomes to put Zach in?  There are just too many reasons why Zach will not end up in Kansas City.  If he does go anywhere it’ll most likely be a team like the rams or some other nfc team.

[Dunnie]

I swear, it's  like some people were in a coma the last 3 seasons

Yeah .. you'd think they would realize the kid is getting better from that crap that had been on display

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[Dunnie]

The Chiefs take him, pay him his very high backup QB salary, and then trade him after his contract has expired.
And teams give up a #1, because Andy says he is better now, because he's not playing with Mahomes there.

That's exactly what I posted ... Train and trade

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[Biggs]

11 hours ago, Dunnie said:

    god given talent.

 

Did God give him slow  processing speed?  Asking for a friend. 

[Adoni Beast]

8 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Did God give him slow  processing speed?  Asking for a friend. 

No, overly processing to the point of incoherence....ADHD

[carlito1171]

11 hours ago, Dunnie said:

people are realizing it's a mental maturity thing

Nah, it's a reading coverages and knowing where to go with the ball thing.......there's no guarantee he ever figures that out consistently...many don't and end up being a backup or out the league.....

[Warfish]

Zach Wilson is not Josh Rosen primarily because Josh Rosen wasn't given the opportunity to play as long as Zach did.

Apart from that, their production levels as starters are quite similar:

57.2% vs. 55.2%, Comp %

2.3% TD Passes vs. 2.8% TD Passes

3.6% INT's vs. 2.6% INT's

23/25 TD/INT Ratio vs. 11/14 TD/INT

6.4 YPA vs. 5.8 YPA

73.6 QB Rating vs. 66.7 QB Rating

Unquestionably, Rosen is the clear worse of the two, but he was given one year, then traded and relegated to oblivion.  The right call by the Cards, even if it hasn't resulted in much, they're better without him.

Zach, conversely, has now started for three seasons (regardless of "intent" this year), and we have a large amount of fans who want to keep him,. and think he'll "be a beast in this league" and "start for a long time in this league", both said just today.

While I doubt Rosen would have ever improved much, we'll never really know.  Zach tho, we do know.  Three years worth of knowing.

 

[Jetsfan80]

39 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

That's exactly what I posted ... Train and trade

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What part of “his contract expires after 2024” doesn’t make sense to you?  lol.  Someone would need to resign him first, THEN trade him down the road.  This all can’t happen next year.

[carlito1171]

23 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

No, overly processing to the point of incoherence....ADHD

Large part of the issue honestly.....

IDK if Adderall wasn't a banned substance if it would magically allow him to slow his processing enough to see the field but as someone with ADHD who's mind moves a mile a minute I can see how it's a hinderance to him playing consistently......would love to know how he's treating it without medication if he was taking it previously with good results....

[Adoni Beast]

18 minutes ago, carlito1171 said:

Large part of the issue honestly.....

IDK if Adderall wasn't a banned substance if it would magically allow him to slow his processing enough to see the field but as someone with ADHD who's mind moves a mile a minute I can see how it's a hinderance to him playing consistently......would love to know how he's treating it without medication if he was taking it previously with good results....

The ADHD component was mentioned (somewhere) and discussed briefly here during the pre-draft process that offseason. To me, it was a bit of a red flag.

[carlito1171]

4 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

it was a bit of a red flag.

Absolutely! 

QB isn't a position you can play where the decisions you need to make happen within a split second and your mind is moving 10,000 miles a minute......coupled with the fact that one of the most effective forms of treatment is in the form of a banned substance.....

[PavlovsDogs]

I thought you could get an exception if you are diagnosed adhd and have a prescription?  

[BornJetsFan1983]

4 hours ago, Dunnie said:

I can, but for whatever reason he has been playing ultra conservative scared to win football until last week..

He also got very lucky on one or two throws.

He needs 3-4 more games like last week.

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You could be right hit it seems that the play calling was the issue. This game was first since KC that the play calling was better. Zach if anything has looked better each game but is held back by the plays called.

[Claymation]

11 hours ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Can’t wait for this tool to be off the team.
Kid had 1 decent game in the last 3 years. Doesn’t matter what he does the next 4 games. He sucks. 

I hope he is on the team next year so I can read more of your posts about how he sucks. 

[DonCorleone]

12 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

One good game.

He keeps it up, he’s still a Jet next year. Y’all need to get a grip.

Do you believe that if he has a strong finish, he will be with the Jets next season? I don't know, it appears that so much has gone on that he may want out no matter what. I am just going based on what has transpired. 

[chirorob]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

That's exactly what I posted ... Train and trade

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Ok, what I meant was.

They "train him".   He never plays, but now someone wants to give the Chiefs a 1st rounder.  (not likely)

Now, his contract is up after next year, so HOW do the Chiefs trade him?   He's a FA.  Or, do the Chiefs immediately exercise his 20 million 5th year option, risking paying a backup QB 20 million.

This is not a likely scenario