Saleh is full of it.

[GandWFan]

Just listened to Saleh's press conference.  What a lying sack of sh*t.  Says he told Zach what he always tells him; go sling it.  What a bunch of crap.

What about playing boring is good.  Don't turn the ball over.  

We need an offensive minded coach.  Enough these DCs who want to win 6-3 every week.

And if you are going to go with a defense first philosophy, own it.  Don't give us this bullsh*t about "Just sling it".  Even he doesn't believe it when he says it.

I see you, Robert Saleh.

[Beerfish]

I'd rather he just hides for the year in his cave like Douglas does.

[Larz]

Yeah it always turns out great when they spill inside secrets to the media, all coaches do it, like belicheat for example 

[Adoni Beast]

He has become aware that by announcing “we’re gonna let him rip it” + ZW2 actually playing = Saleh looking like the problem

He’s a fool

[shawn306]

If you think a defensive minded coach want to win 6-3 instead of 30-6 you are clueless. 
 

Defensive minded coaches want a lead so he can unleash his pass rush. 

[PepPep]

triggered...

[GandWFan]

2 minutes ago, shawn306 said:

If you think a defensive minded coach want to win 6-3 instead of 30-6 you are clueless. 
 

Defensive minded coaches want a lead so he can unleash his pass rush. 

I'm sure he wants a 2 TD+ lead, but in order to do that you need to take risks down the field, not an offense in a phone booth.  Saleh doesn't have the balls for that.  It's a control thing.  He feels like he can control the defense.  If only the offense doesn't screw it up, they will win.

How is that working so far?  How did Bowells do?

Exactly.

[Barry McCockinner]

11 minutes ago, GandWFan said:

Just listened to Saleh's press conference.  What a lying sack of sh*t.  Says he told Zach what he always tells him; go sling it.  What a bunch of crap.

What about playing boring is good.  Don't turn the ball over.  

We need an offensive minded coach.  Enough these DCs who want to win 6-3 every week.

And if you are going to go with a defense first philosophy, own it.  Don't give us this bullsh*t about "Just sling it".  Even he doesn't believe it when he says it.

I see you, Robert Saleh.

he's been saying it in the press since September at least. Saleh is definitely full of crap and maybe he's telling Zach something different behind closed doors but he has been saying this in public all year.

[Sperm Edwards]

4 minutes ago, shawn306 said:

If you think a defensive minded coach want to win 6-3 instead of 30-6 you are clueless. 
 

Defensive minded coaches want a lead so he can unleash his pass rush. 

This.

That he may be too risk averse to achieve such a score with a young QB with turnover and game speed issues, doesn't therefore mean he desires a low scoring game. 

He would love to run up the score and pin his pass rushers' ears back, even if his preference is for a few TDs to happen via the ground game and game-managing passing over stomaching a lesser QB's lesser points. 

[RevisIsland610]

When Saleh's lips are moving rest assured he is lying. He's a fraud. 

[THE BARON]

9 minutes ago, GandWFan said:

Just listened to Saleh's press conference.  What a lying sack of sh*t.  Says he told Zach what he always tells him; go sling it.  What a bunch of crap.

What about playing boring is good.  Don't turn the ball over.  

We need an offensive minded coach.  Enough these DCs who want to win 6-3 every week.

And if you are going to go with a defense first philosophy, own it.  Don't give us this bullsh*t about "Just sling it".  Even he doesn't believe it when he says it.

I see you, Robert Saleh.

id agree but i have no idea how much saleh has to do with the offense.  he's not the play caller as far as i know.  he's indeed full of "coach speak", but I dont know if i can rightfully blame him for the offense.  always got to remember how awful wilson has been most times.  who can you blame for that ??? wilson i sso erratic walsh would probably run 70 % of the time if he had wilson as his qb.

i see a very nice defense and elite special teams.  the jets are not a bad team with a good defense.  they are a good team with a challenged qb and awful o-line.

i'd blame jd for the line and hackett for the offense and wilson gets the blame for wilson.  

[GandWFan]

1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

This.

That he may be too risk averse to achieve such a score with a young QB with turnover and game speed issues, doesn't therefore mean he desires a low scoring game. 

He would love to run up the score and pin his pass rushers' ears back, even if his preference is for a few TDs to happen via the ground game and game-managing passing over stomaching a lesser QB's lesser points. 

He wants it, but his risk profile prevents it from happening.  Agreed.

[JiFtheOracle]

This was October 1st:

“You’ve got to back it up and just keep stacking good days after good days after good days and get to game day and get comfortable and be confident in yourself and play,” Saleh said. “Just let it rip.”

[GandWFan]

2 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

id agree but i have no idea how much saleh has to do with the offense.  he's not the play caller as far as i know.  he's indeed full of "coach speak", but I dont know if i can rightfully blame him for the offense.  always got to remember how awful wilson has been most times.  who can you blame for that ??? wilson i sso erratic walsh would probably run 70 % of the time if he had wilson as his qb.

i see a very nice defense and elite special teams.  the jets are not a bad team with a good defense.  they are a good team with a challenged qb and awful o-line.

i'd blame jd for the line and hackett for the offense and wilson gets the blame for wilson.  

So you're thinking the HC doesn't set the direction for the team.  He doesn't approve game plans.  He doesn't set acceptable risks in play calling?  Doesn't set big picture goals?

He probably doesn't design offensive plays, nor call them, but I am sure he is involved with the philosophy of how to attack offense and defense of our opponents and set the direction on how to achieve it.

 

[Integrity28]

Damn bro, you kept the receipts!

[BroadwayJoe12]

Totally. It was Salah’s, Rex’s and Bowles’ short leash that cause Sanch…Darn… Wilson to miss swing passes to RBs out of the backfield and dirt wide open receivers. When Zach was finally unshackled with all of those limitations he was finally able to just sling it and let it rip… 

[faba]

Yeah I am sure he wanted Zach to wing it-but to the right team

[#27TheDominator]

Just now, faba said:

Yeah I am sure he wanted Zach to wing it-but to the right team

Typical.  Shackling Zach and his creativity and not letting him wing it.

[Sperm Edwards]

17 minutes ago, GandWFan said:

He wants it, but his risk profile prevents it from happening.  Agreed.

The thing is you literally said:

32 minutes ago, GandWFan said:

Enough these DCs who want to win 6-3 every week.

I don't have the highest opinion of Saleh as HC, but he doesn't "want to win 6-3 every week" as you put it.

He'll take that outcome over a loss, as would any of us, but the idea that he prefers the outcome of a low scoring win over a blowout win is absurd.

Of course he wants to win big. He's had a bad QB, a bad OL, a bunch of newbie first-time coaches on offense from the time they went with Zach and no other options in '21, and all that added together under a defense-first HC leads to what we've seen since he got here.

I very much doubt he'd be dictating his OC call hyper-conservative gameplans if he had a good QB, more than 1 good WR, a good OL, etc. (never mind greatness from one or more of those positions/units).

[CanadienJetsFan]

In other news, 

water is wet.

[#27TheDominator]

4 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

The thing is you literally said:

I don't have the highest opinion of Saleh as HC, but he doesn't "want to win 6-3 every week" as you put it.

He'll take that outcome over a loss, as would any of us, but the idea that he prefers the outcome of a low scoring win over a blowout win is absurd.

Of course he wants to win big. He's had a bad QB, a bad OL, a bunch of newbie first-time coaches on offense from the time they went with Zach and no other options in '21, and all that added together under a defense-first HC leads to what we've seen since he got here.

I very much doubt he'd be dictating his OC call hyper-conservative gameplans if he had a good QB, more than 1 good WR, a good OL, etc. (never mind greatness from one or more of those positions/units).

They went and got Aaron Rodgers by promising him that they were going to throw 14 times a game and those were all going to be 5 yard swing passes to the backs.  That is why they brought in Hackett and Rodgers.  They figured if they didn't bounce those passes to the backs, then they could win 9-6 instead of losing 6-3!

[Beerfish]

Maybe GI Joe wanna be better tell his oc that he needs to rip it, Hackett is the one calling the 2 yard hand off into the line to cook on down 1 and 2.

[Robert]

1 hour ago, JagsFanJif said:

This was October 1st:

“You’ve got to back it up and just keep stacking good days after good days after good days and get to game day and get comfortable and be confident in yourself and play,” Saleh said. “Just let it rip.”

Stop

we in the middle of a lynching

truth not allowed 

[Dcat]

Nearly 100% of Saleh's public speaking is painful to watch/listen.  I won't be crying if he's the scape goat and goes after the season.  Fine with me.  Next.

[MARTIN]

1 hour ago, GandWFan said:

Just listened to Saleh's press conference.  What a lying sack of sh*t.  Says he told Zach what he always tells him; go sling it.  What a bunch of crap.

What about playing boring is good.  Don't turn the ball over.  

We need an offensive minded coach.  Enough these DCs who want to win 6-3 every week.

And if you are going to go with a defense first philosophy, own it.  Don't give us this bullsh*t about "Just sling it".  Even he doesn't believe it when he says it.

I see you, Robert Saleh.

"Sling it around" is not a philosophy anyone in NY advocates for. Zach, "letting it rip/just sling it" is something RS has mentioned along with MLF back to ZW very first practices in NY. The philosophy is "take what is there" AKA BORING. Know when to come off primary reads to give IDK your best playmaker a chance to run with the rock.... Boring? Just how any coach wants his QB to play most of the time. "Dont turn the ball over" isnt some unique philosophy zach is told to live under. That just being a QB. Its one of the top correlates to winning games. You aren't wrong that RS probably is an advocate for conservative low scoring "ugly" games... but based on what ZW has show us on gameday, how can you blame him. Even on plays when ZW is playing free, and improvising, its nothing special. More bad than good, even in the area where Z shows the most possible upside. 

[Joe W. Namath]

1 hour ago, GandWFan said:

Just listened to Saleh's press conference.  What a lying sack of sh*t.  Says he told Zach what he always tells him; go sling it.  What a bunch of crap.

What about playing boring is good.  Don't turn the ball over.  

We need an offensive minded coach.  Enough these DCs who want to win 6-3 every week.

And if you are going to go with a defense first philosophy, own it.  Don't give us this bullsh*t about "Just sling it".  Even he doesn't believe it when he says it.

I see you, Robert Saleh.

Saleh isnt going anywhere.

Accept it jet fans!!!!!

[kevinc855]

Totally agree with op which is why I’m still not sold on Saleh. Guy goes where the wind goes. We heard him say the boring stuff over and over 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

1 hour ago, GandWFan said:

I'm sure he wants a 2 TD+ lead, but in order to do that you need to take risks down the field, not an offense in a phone booth.  Saleh doesn't have the balls for that.  It's a control thing.  He feels like he can control the defense.  If only the offense doesn't screw it up, they will win.

How is that working so far?  How did Bowells do?

Exactly.

How many times do we have to see a wide-open Garrett Wilson on the All-22 before we blame Zach and not the head coach?

[doitny]

so we win a blow out where our bad QB has his best game, our defense was awesome and we attack the HC because he is holding Zach back? LMFAO.

and we just embarrassed the Rookie of the Year to be. 

so Saleh gets no credit for anything then? 

[THE BARON]

2 hours ago, GandWFan said:

So you're thinking the HC doesn't set the direction for the team.  He doesn't approve game plans.  He doesn't set acceptable risks in play calling?  Doesn't set big picture goals?

He probably doesn't design offensive plays, nor call them, but I am sure he is involved with the philosophy of how to attack offense and defense of our opponents and set the direction on how to achieve it.

 

so why do any of us ever blame the OC or QB ?

[THE BARON]

38 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Totally agree with op which is why I’m still not sold on Saleh. Guy goes where the wind goes. We heard him say the boring stuff over and over 

they say different stuff in front of the team vs the sh*t they sling in front of the meda.

the teams big roster weakness is the offensive line and the qb.  i blame your pal the pretzel breaker for those failings.  he's had how many years ???

[rangerous]

2 hours ago, GandWFan said:

Just listened to Saleh's press conference.  What a lying sack of sh*t.  Says he told Zach what he always tells him; go sling it.  What a bunch of crap.

What about playing boring is good.  Don't turn the ball over.  

We need an offensive minded coach.  Enough these DCs who want to win 6-3 every week.

And if you are going to go with a defense first philosophy, own it.  Don't give us this bullsh*t about "Just sling it".  Even he doesn't believe it when he says it.

I see you, Robert Saleh.

Yep. Even in Sundays game they were moving the ball smartly, scored three tds but then only managed three fgs the rest of the way?  All gas, no brake, my azz. Saleh told the offense to play rope a dope for the last quarter.

[Xtina]

He is certainly a smooth talker 

[Jetsplayer21]

2 hours ago, GandWFan said:

I'm sure he wants a 2 TD+ lead, but in order to do that you need to take risks down the field, not an offense in a phone booth.  Saleh doesn't have the balls for that.  It's a control thing.  He feels like he can control the defense.  If only the offense doesn't screw it up, they will win.

How is that working so far?  How did Bowells do?

Exactly.

Except look how bad Zach’s stats have been in 3 years. Last or near last across the board. His rating, completion %, etc. that’s how jets were able to win games like against Buffalo, eagles, etc. By not letting Zach lose the game. When we have a better qb behind center, sure will be more aggressive. But can’t blame them for not taking lot of chances with 1 of worst qbs in NFL this past decade.

[ACourseinMiracles]

Hmmm. Interesting take. Haven't heard that one here before.