who is the biggest bust

[kmnj]

Zach-taken to be the franchise QB but might be one of the worst to ever put on the jersey

Joe D-drafted tons of bad players including not one but two first round busts in Zach and Becton-years after he took over the team still is as bad maybe worse than when he got here.  

Becton-slow fat and a bad player-he is the exact opposite of D Brick 

Saleh-terrible record and his team consistently quits on him

Woody-not sure the owner can be a bust per se but a fish dies from the head down so he is on the list.

P.S I tried to make a poll but I am not smart enough  to do so-guess I fit right in with the jets....

 

 

[T0mShane]

Factoring in opportunity cost,

1. Jamal Adams

2. Zach Wilson

3. Blair Thomas

4. Mekhi Becton

5. Vernon Gholston

[Jets723]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Factoring in opportunity cost,

1. Jamal Adams

2. Zach Wilson

3. Blair Thomas

4. Mekhi Becton

5. Vernon Gholston

Jamal was worth it just because of the return we got, Garrett Wilson and AVT

[BP]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Factoring in opportunity cost,

1. Jamal Adams

2. Zach Wilson

3. Blair Thomas

4. Mekhi Becton

5. Vernon Gholston

Roger Vick was specifically drafted in the first round to stop Andre tippet from pile driving Ken O’Brien. For what it’s worth. 

[dbatesman]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Factoring in opportunity cost,

1. Jamal Adams

2. Zach Wilson

3. Blair Thomas

4. Mekhi Becton

5. Vernon Gholston

I feel like this is correct, but if you're factoring in opportunity cost, there needs to be about a thousand ellipses between Adams and everyone else, because nothing else comes close.

[JohnnyLV]

Lol we have played 14 games and had like 12 different OL combos start and probably 18 or more total. We have the worse OL coach in the NFL, an offensive system that forces an OL philosophy totally unsuited to a turn style OL, the worse OC in the NFL and essentially 1.5 playmakers on offense but let's view the Zach evaluation as unaffected by those things. Had Rodgers stayed healthy with this OL we might be talking about whether 2023 was the biggest drop off a cliff ever by a HOF QB. But you guys just keep the hate flowing. He will be gone, but somehow he will still be blamed for everything next year as well.

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

5 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

Jamal was worth it just because of the return we got, Garrett Wilson and AVT

Patrick Mahomes would like a word.

What a c*nt that Maccagnan was.  Need a QB in the worst way and he takes the consensus ESPN choice, f**kin moron, a loudmouth self promoter who plays a non premium position and has hands of stone ie he’s Half a Safety.

Then take another Safety in the 2nd who is Old.

Then again, even though Opportunity Cost is at Pluto when realizing that Adams cost the Jets Mahomes, Mahomes probably wouldn’t be Mahomes if he came to the Jets, wouldn’t have been able to sit and learn his first year, thrown right into the yearly “Jet Hell” Fire where he also would have been doing “Wilson-Esq” pirouettes trying to avoid the rush with No Andy Reid, one of the best offensive minds in league history, to guide him on the sideline.

Yeah Adams, hands down, a Total Disaster and #1 as far as Opportunity Cost goes.

[nj meadowlands]

Joe Douglas

[Adoni Beast]

30 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Factoring in opportunity cost,

1. Jamal Adams

2. Zach Wilson

3. Blair Thomas

4. Mekhi Becton

5. Vernon Gholston

If we are adding in the opportunity cost, I think that Ken O'Brien would be first on the list by not selecting top 5-10 QB of all time. I am not blaming Kenny O and I love the guy but he is a ranch in Medicine Park, Oklahoma vs. Marino's 1000 acre valley.

[Jolot]

31 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

Jamal was worth it just because of the return we got, Garrett Wilson and AVT

We drafted him while Mahomes was still on the board I believe 

[Jolot]

2 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

If we are adding in the opportunity cost, I think that Ken O'Brien would be first on the list by not selecting top 5-10 QB of all time. I am not blaming Kenny O and I love the guy but he is a ranch in Medicine Park, Oklahoma vs. Marino's 1000 acre valley.

Pretty good point , he would have to up there right with Adams if this is how we are looking at it to be honest 

[TuscanyTile2]

This is the guy who has the biggest bust.

[Biggs]

We also took Sam Darnold over Allen.  There seems to be a pretty big delta. 

[TuscanyTile2]

4 minutes ago, Jolot said:

We drafted him while Mahomes was still on the board I believe 

IIRC there weren't really rumors of us taking Mahomes.  Didn't the org decide that the following year's QB class (Darnold) was better?

[TuscanyTile2]

43 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Factoring in opportunity cost,

1. Jamal Adams

2. Zach Wilson

3. Blair Thomas

4. Mekhi Becton

5. Vernon Gholston

Didn't we trade 2 #1's for the DeWayne "Bowling Ball With Butcher Knives" Robertson?  And I think I've read that we also traded 2 #1's for the pick that we used to draft Johnny "Lam" Jones.

[Jolot]

Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

IIRC there weren't really rumors of us taking Mahomes.  Didn't the org decide that the following year's QB class (Darnold) was better?

You’re right , but I think 75% of this board was screaming for Mahomes …I wasn’t one of them only cuz I really didn’t know much about him , but I’m not an nfl GM . Also I think we drafted Hackenberg the year before …just an all time miss on many levels 

[Jets723]

1 hour ago, Jolot said:

We drafted him while Mahomes was still on the board I believe 

Ok.   Mahomes obviously went to a much better situation with a stacked team and world class head coach.  We were a mess back then .  The 2022 draft is where we drafted a lot of difference makers finally.  Still the Jamal Adams trade is the best trade we ever made 

[varjet]

We passed on Mahomes and Watson, for Jamal Adams.  

Ignore the sex abuse for this purpose-Watson was great until then. 

[TuscanyTile2]

27 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

Ok.   Mahomes obviously went to a much better situation with a stacked team and world class head coach.  We were a mess back then .  The 2022 draft is where we drafted a lot of difference makers finally.  Still the Jamal Adams trade is the best trade we ever made 

But it doesn't matter.  A FQB doesn't need any OL or weapinzz.

[Bleedin Green]

JD is definitely the worst of the original list, if for no other reason than he is personally at fault for all of the other failures on that list, with the obvious exception of Woody.

Although just as a friendly reminder, none of these moves even happened on Woody's watch, as those came at the hands of the dumber brother, Chris, who was actually getting slurped up around here for a while when much of this was happening.

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Jolot said:

You’re right , but I think 75% of this board was screaming for Mahomes 

75% may say that NOW, but it sure as hell wasn't 75% of the Board at the time, lol.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, Jolot said:

You’re right , but I think 75% of this board was screaming for Mahomes …I wasn’t one of them only cuz I really didn’t know much about him , but I’m not an nfl GM . Also I think we drafted Hackenberg the year before …just an all time miss on many levels 

I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case.

@Lupz27 what is your memory of that situation?

[Bronx]

Bubba Turk Douglas 

[Plen T]

Becton by a large margin

his attitude is dog sh*t and he is TERRIBLE

[Lupz27]

2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case.

@Lupz27 what is your memory of that situation?

90% of the board thought I was crazy from October till about February, then others came around as the whole draft process developed.

Guys like @jif or whatever he changed his name to came around and was beating the drum for Watson and/or Mahomes.

Never was 75%.

Draft day it was still pretty small that was willing to draft him at 6 most said maybe a trade back or 2nd round but not at 6.

[bla bla bla]

4 hours ago, Jets723 said:

Jamal was worth it just because of the return we got, Garrett Wilson and AVT

you'd have Mahomes, Quenton Nelson and 3 seconds if we didn't take Adams

[TuscanyTile2]

4 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

90% of the board thought I was crazy from October till about February, then others came around as the whole draft process developed.

Guys like @jif or whatever he changed his name to came around and was beating the drum for Watson and/or Mahomes.

Never was 75%.

Draft day it was still pretty small that was willing to draft him at 6 most said maybe a trade back or 2nd round but not at 6.

I'm pretty sure I was one of the "trade back from 6 and then take him" boat.  But I'm confident that I defended the Jamal pick that we made at 6 - lol. 

I think a big part of it was that I was following Brett Kollman's YouTube channel at the time and he loved Jamal back then (and Christian Hackenberg btw - lol)

 

 

 

[Lupz27]

3 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I'm pretty sure I was one of the "trade back from 6 and then take him" boat.  But I'm confident that I defended the Jamal pick that we made at 6 - lol. 

I think a big part of it was that I was following Brett Kollman's YouTube channel at the time and he loved Jamal back then (and Christian Hackenberg btw - lol)

 

 

 

I didn’t hate Adams as the pick only thing that bothered me about it was it was over Mahomes.

[UntouchableCrew]

Kinda depends on how you're looking at it.

In terms of the general consensus around the value of the player vs. what they actually produced Vernon Gholston is the biggest bust. He was a consensus top 6 pick and just couldn't get on the field because he was a terrible player. 

In terms of where they were picked vs. how they played it's Zach Wilson. 2nd overall, the worst QB first round pick of the 21st century. He's a little different than Gholston though in the sense that he was always kind of a high upside one hit wonder from the Covid year. He was never a lock, he was a swing for the fences that crapped out.

In terms of the value of the pick vs. opportunity cost it's probably Jamal Adams. We picked a thin skinned narcissist box safety who is too slow to play the position over Patrick Mahomes. Only saving grace was that we eventually flipped him for a haul, but yeah, that's a worse pick than Gholston or Wilson honestly.

Becton is a run of the mill bust and isn't on the same tier as any of these other guys IMO.

[Jolot]

We are really researching if the number was ACTUALLY 75% or not ? Lol you guys are funny .

[Larz]

[Trotter]

Honorable mention is trading #1 for Doug jolley and taking a pk in the 2nd round cause you missed a fg against Pitt and thought that was all you needed

[JetPotato]

Woody

[Sperm Edwards]

21 hours ago, Jets723 said:

Jamal was worth it just because of the return we got, Garrett Wilson and AVT

Ask yourself if the Chiefs will trade us Pat Mahomes for Garrett Wilson and AVT even-up. 

Since the answer is no, ask what else we'd have to give up to trade for Mahomes, in addition to those two.

Would those two plus our next 10 first round picks even get it done? 

That's how big the opportunity cost lost was in drafting Adams. It makes any others - including the sky-high trade value of the #2 pick used on Zach Wilson - look comparatively insignificant.

[Bugg]

45 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

90% of the board thought I was crazy from October till about February, then others came around as the whole draft process developed.

Guys like @jif or whatever he changed his name to came around and was beating the drum for Watson and/or Mahomes.

Never was 75%.

Draft day it was still pretty small that was willing to draft him at 6 most said maybe a trade back or 2nd round but not at 6.

The consensus may not have been Mahomes. But it absolutely was taking a safety that high was beyond idiotic, especially for a team that practically had no offense at the time. And yet Bowles was grinning ear to ear like it was a f___in' coup. 

Taking Lam Jones over Anthony Munoz or O'Brien over Marino, also up there. Both on par with taking Zack Wilson over Parsons or Sewell.