What do you need to see from JD this offseason to not call for his firing?

[Sammybighead]

JD has done some good in his time. Results haven't been there but it hasn't been all bad. That said, even his most ardent supporters have to acknowledge he's just running out of time. The way I see it, if he's not fired in a few weeks, he's on his last chance for sure. 

So what would he need to do this coming offseason for you not to be calling for his firing? For me, unless I see the following, I'm gonna be banging the table to move on even before we get to week 1:

1. Serious oline investment. We need 4 new quality starters. Not bargain basement guys. 1st rd pick has to be an OT. There needs to be at least 2 other draft picks in rd 3 and 4 on the interior, i dont want to hear "best player available" crap. In Free Agency, he needs to identify and target another OT and pay anything and everything to ensure we land him. I don't want to hear about the value that is assigned to free agents.

2. Pay whatever is necessary to bring mike Evans or tee Higgins here if either hits free agency. See point #1 of free agent "value"

3. Fire Keith Carter. He had a terrible reputation before he got here and our oline is clueless now that he is here.

4. Send Cobb, turner, uzomah, brown packing.

Do the above, and this offense stands a chance next season. What you guys think? Anything to add/change?

[joewilly12]

I’ve seen enough of JD his time here is done. 

[Arsis]

Him starring in a tape with Travis and Taylor.

[Beerfish]

The Jets have to make the playoffs and Rodgers has to play at a pro bowl level QB.

Anything else and he is fired no matter what he does or tries to do.

[Xtina]

I am amazed how awful the Oline has been considering he played the position. Easily the worst unit. Most of The rest of the roster is decent and would be stars in well coached teams 

[maury77]

I don't need to see anything, I know he's coming back. If the team doesn't make the playoffs next season, they ALL need to go. 

[CanadaSteve]

3 minutes ago, Xtina said:

I am amazed how awful the Oline has been considering he played the position. Easily the worst unit. Most of The rest of the roster is decent and would be stars in well coached teams 

Massive injuries two years running will do that

[derp]

4 minutes ago, maury77 said:

I don't need to see anything, I know he's coming back. If the team doesn't make the playoffs next season, they ALL need to go. 

Bar needs to be higher than the playoffs given the way he’s pushed his chips in with this group. It’s going to be a complete rebuild post Rodgers. Need more than a playoff run to justify the way he’s put this roster together.

[Green Ghost]

His resignation.

[Integrity28]

Nudes. Full frontal.

[Hael]

He has Rodgers under contract, so he doesn’t need to cowtow for him anymore. I suspect we are going to get a much more normal GM this offseason. I also suspect they are going to be more aggressive, since this is realistically the last shot for a superbowl in AR’s career and will end the Jets brief superbowl window. That means some high priced FAs (where the cap gets deferred well into the future).

If we don’t make it, it means a pretty massive rebuild will be in order, as they will need to draft a qb and develop him, which pushes the time frame 4 years off. That will likely mean they don’t resign all of the 2022 draftees and the coaching staff will likely change. That won’t be fun for us as we will likely regress before getting better.

So yea, unfortunately due to the injury situation this year, its really made next year a bit of a make or break. If we get far in the playoffs like our talent level should allow for, then I think JD will stick around a little longer (not sure about Saleh).

[DJF71]

Too late. 

[Engblom31510]

1- address the o line issue. Signing and playing ps online week after week is ridiculous. If we had a decent-good oline, we wouldn’t have needed to grab a 40 yr old qb to be the savior. So fix the oline and we don’t need anything more than a game manager.

2- get an actual #2 option to help out GW

3- sign an actual half decent backup qb that can manage the game. There are lots of back up qbs playing and WINNING the last couple weeks. 
 

4- get rid of the AR comfort party. Hackett and Cobb and turner. Lazard will still be here because of his contract, but he is a #3 at best based off of this season. 
 

5- Stop catering to and letting AR dictate what the coach or Gm does. Let the coach coach and the GM do GM stuff. All AR was brought here to do was play. It’s got to be abt what’s best for the jets instead of what’s best for AR’s friends.

[slimjasi]

He’s already been the offseason champ. It’s time to win more during the season. 
 

The team has to win more games than it loses  and actually make the playoffs, or he’s gone. Really, the team needed to win more games this season . . .  He’s only getting another shot because Rodgers got hurt 

[dcJet]

JD and Saleh are losers.  Their stink engulfs the team and sets the culture. 

I don't think we can ever win anything with them here.

 

 

 

[dcJet]

8 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

He’s already been the offseason champ. It’s time to win more during the season. 
 

The team has to win more games than it loses  and actually make the playoffs, or he’s gone. Really, the team needed to win more games this season . . .  He’s only getting another shot because Rodgers got hurt 

Making the playoffs is a really low bar.  43% of teams make it. 

Even if they get a wild card at 9-8 next year, it's still an underachievement after 5 years of rebuilding.

 

[Bronx]

I want to see those juicy nipples pierced on Bubba.

[New York Mick]

He quits.
I thought he was going to be good at drafting but he’s as bad as I am in FF. 
 

 

[Biggs]

Take the job as the Pats GM

[Sperm Edwards]

12 hours ago, dcJet said:

Making the playoffs is a really low bar.  43% of teams make it. 

Even if they get a wild card at 9-8 next year, it's still an underachievement after 5 years of rebuilding.

The Jets are pathetic, but that’s a loaded stat that makes it seem like the odds of making the playoffs are also 43%. 43% of teams make it, but odds of any individual team making it are a good amount lower, at under 1/3.

Every year by league rules the Jets (like all teams) are eliminated from 7 of the playoff teams that are awarded to leaders of the other 7 divisions, as well as all 3 NFC wildcard teams. That’s 10 the 14 playoff slots (3 of the 7 AFC slots) every year that can never go to the Jets by definition.

The Jets can only win their own division or make one of the 3 AFC WC slots. So while 7 of 16 (43%) AFC teams go to the playoffs, the Jets individually are only eligible for 4 of those 7 playoff slots. 4 out of 16 teams = 25%. But if subtracting ineligibility from the numerator, we’d also subtract from the denominator to be fair: since 3 of the 16 teams that will win a division title are then ineligible to also take up one of the WC slots, in that sense there are 4 spots open to the Jets among 13 others, not 16. 4/13 = 30.8% odds of being a playoff team.

Far from insurmountable, but not the original stat that makes it seem like there’s nearly a 50-50 chance of making it. Plus a pure on-paper stat presumes every team starts each season on equal footing, which we know isn’t true. So while that effectively lowers those odds a bit, the clean odds are just under 1 in 3.

[neckdemon]

Douglas should be fired. The last thing this team needs is that moron making another personnel decision

[Sperm Edwards]

We’ve missed the playoffs before with a better record than another playoff team (though I think it’s only happened once, in 2015). It happens almost every year where a .500 or under .500 division winner unjustly makes it in over another team that won 10-11 games.

In terms of sucking and still making the playoffs, the AFCE is historically the most difficult to win, in terms of this division never having a down season.

Not that the Jets should be striving to barely make it in by the skin of their teeth, but there has never once been a freebie AFCE playoff team making the postseason by winning a joke division at just 8-8 or even 7-9 (nor with the extra game now, at 8-9), and just once in the free agency era win the AFCE at a mere 9-7 (Jets in 2002), plus only one other time since 1970.

https://champsorchumps.us/records/afc-east-winners-full-list

The Jets suck and have sucked, but it’d feel and seem like they sucked slightly less if they were in different division.

[usanyj]

The best thing for this team moving forward is to clean house and fire Douglas and Saleh. Bring in a new, offensive minded staff that knows they have Rodgers for at least a year.... The staff should be told they should take a QB high and he will be the 3 behind Rodgers and a high value back up.  Give the kid at least a year under Rodgers to learn....try to go deep in the playoffs with rodgers in 24, and see what happens.  25 could be the first year with the drafted qb after a year of sitting behind rodgers.

Bringing JD and Saleh back for another year is just rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. They wont last and when rodgers walks after next year we are back to where we are now.

[Creepy Lurker]

15 minutes ago, usanyj said:

The best thing for this team moving forward is to clean house and fire Douglas and Saleh. Bring in a new, offensive minded staff that knows they have Rodgers for at least a year.... The staff should be told they should take a QB high and he will be the 3 behind Rodgers and a high value back up.  Give the kid at least a year under Rodgers to learn....try to go deep in the playoffs with rodgers in 24, and see what happens.  25 could be the first year with the drafted qb after a year of sitting behind rodgers.

Bringing JD and Saleh back for another year is just rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. They wont last and when rodgers walks after next year we are back to where we are now.

I too think that they should just get rid of everyone and whoever comes here understands that they have a unique opportunity to coach Rodgers 1-2 years to try and salvage this mess while rebuilding for the future. I do not agree at all with drafting a QB high. It’s a TERRIBLE idea to do that until you have an OL and rebuilding the OL is the way to be “all in” next year while also setting up for the future post AR. 

[The Crusher]

8 hours ago, Arsis said:

Him starring in a tape with Travis and Taylor.

This week on TNT.. “ Bears, Beers and above ground pools!” 

[rangerous]

8 hours ago, Sammybighead said:

JD has done some good in his time. Results haven't been there but it hasn't been all bad. That said, even his most ardent supporters have to acknowledge he's just running out of time. The way I see it, if he's not fired in a few weeks, he's on his last chance for sure. 

So what would he need to do this coming offseason for you not to be calling for his firing? For me, unless I see the following, I'm gonna be banging the table to move on even before we get to week 1:

1. Serious oline investment. We need 4 new quality starters. Not bargain basement guys. 1st rd pick has to be an OT. There needs to be at least 2 other draft picks in rd 3 and 4 on the interior, i dont want to hear "best player available" crap. In Free Agency, he needs to identify and target another OT and pay anything and everything to ensure we land him. I don't want to hear about the value that is assigned to free agents.

2. Pay whatever is necessary to bring mike Evans or tee Higgins here if either hits free agency. See point #1 of free agent "value"

3. Fire Keith Carter. He had a terrible reputation before he got here and our oline is clueless now that he is here.

4. Send Cobb, turner, uzomah, brown packing.

Do the above, and this offense stands a chance next season. What you guys think? Anything to add/change?

I think all of these things are reasonable things to consider one way or another.  If they’re set on moving away from Zach then they need a back up and possibly raft a late round qb.  Another issue is how much faith they can put on becton for next season.  If he can play to potential, he will solidify one side of the oline.  I think the problem now is that he’s not playing well enough to consider franchising him.  This means maybe he gets offered a fairly low three year deal with a huge out after one season.  Probably insulting but his play of late has been pretty insulting.

 The sad thing is we won’t see how will things are going until the middle next season.  I guess if Rodgers is still upright by game 9, the oline might just be doing okay.

[Bobby816]

A good backup QB brought in. As well as some sort of drafted QB to groom. Get rid of Wilson via trade of there's any takers or just flat out cut him.

Go get a WR. Either trade for Adams, draft a guy or sign a guy in FA. GW isn't enough and Lazard cant be relied on. Hate or not... Gipson isn't more than a depth WR. Not at all not addressing the slot WR spot bc of him. He's a depth WR not a starter. The FA pool offers a lot of interesting names. Not sure who gets tagged or resigned... but there are names like Evans, Pittman, Higgins, Ridley, Hollywood Brown, Shaheed, Gab Davis, Samuel to name a few that are UFA.

Address the OL BIG TIME!!! We need to go get 2 OTs. We will have 0 starting caliber ones this offseason. Becton has been trash and Brown doesn't even play and is old. Both need to go. This is going to be a harder one to address bc the FA pool here isn't the best and no one is exactly trading good OTs. So the way to address this might have to be via draft. Go get an OT top 10 likely and get the other OT in FA. WE also need to upgrade from Tomlinson who has been trash. Ya he's the only guy that seems to be able to stay healthy for us on the OL... but he's just not good. We cant cut him... but we need a replacement.

RB we're good at. Maybe add a cheap vet. Start actually using Izzy this next year.

 

On defense all I want is 2 run stuffing DTs. Those can be had for cheap in FA and later in drafts.

[Be_a_Jet]

Honestly we can talk about specifics all we want but if Saleh/JD don’t get fired this season then their future is completely dependent on if they make playoffs convincingly next year. 

[68JET11]

Top LT in the draft, then every other spot on the OL, in both the draft and FA. Nothing short of that is acceptable in my opinion.

Next WR.

Next, Fire Hackett. If Rogers doesn't like it, trade him.

If Rodgers traded, then QB in FA, and one in the draft.

If Saleh doesn't buy into the plan, then fire him as well.

[extmenace]

The last two years, there have been multiple issues holding this team back, but the biggest issue has been the OL struggles. The moves JD has made have not worked out. The injuries are just bad luck, but at the end of the day, that doesn't matter. JD has put a ton of resources into the OL but its still continuously one of the worst OL units in the NFL. Zach probably wasn't ever going to be the guy but I can confidently say that he never had a chance either. JD is the type of GM that looks for the bargains, the GM that looks for the bang for your buck kind of guys. In some areas, mostly on the defensive side, its been successful but not on the offensive side. For me, he needs to realize that this franchise needs some difference makers at WR and OL. He needs to open up the wallet and spend on guys that can make a difference. This franchise has a brutal time signing the quality players, nobody wants to come here. When the money is the same, players tend to go else where. He needs to do what must be done to make these guys actually consider this team vs just being a tool to get other teams to pay a little more money. Pull a CJ mosley type offer to the right guy, over pay if need be and fix the problem. Every team has a couple players making above market money, we need to do the same. Go get the guys. He needs to stop missing on them. I know he's at a disadvantage, but the good GM's find a way. He needs to find a way.

[slimjasi]

7 hours ago, dcJet said:

Making the playoffs is a really low bar.  43% of teams make it. 

Even if they get a wild card at 9-8 next year, it's still an underachievement after 5 years of rebuilding.

 

Yea, the division should be the goal, but I’d honestly be happy being in the playoffs again. A home playoff game is almost unfathomable to me at this point. 

[dbatesman]

He and Saleh will stick for another year because everyone gets a mulligan this year, but I think the die is already cast, and he has no one to blame but himself for it. The resources he needs to fix the team are all tied up in the flaky gimp QB he just had to have.

[TuscanyTile2]

Shouldn't the discussion be "does he even deserve to get another chance after this year?"  And that's coming from someone who has been a big JD supporter.

[Integrity28]

3 hours ago, Bronx said:

I want to see those juicy nipples pierced on Bubba.

You have Officially earned the shirtless dude crown from @joewilly12.

[maury77]

9 hours ago, derp said:

Bar needs to be higher than the playoffs given the way he’s pushed his chips in with this group. It’s going to be a complete rebuild post Rodgers. Need more than a playoff run to justify the way he’s put this roster together.

Maybe. I think I'm looking at it more from Woody's perspective. If they break the playoffless streak next year, I don't think Woody will clean house.