Albert Breer: Woody Johnson stepped in on the first round pick (not Zach Wilson)

[UntouchableCrew]

Hopefully there wasn't already a thread on this that I missed, but interesting tidbit I saw from Albert Breer (Sports Illustrated/MMQB) from a spot on Colin Cowherd's show last week.

"I'll tell you this Colin, they had wanted to draft an offensive tackle a couple of years ago, and I think ownership may have stepped in and may not have wanted them to do that. You know, so you give Joe Douglas another chance to get the offensive line right..."

Given we did in fact make the Becton pick in 2020 this very much reads to me like Douglas wanted (or is at least retroactively telling Albert Breer he wanted) to take Penei Sewell or one of the top OL at the top of the 2021 draft and Woody stepped in and forced the Zach pick. I can't think of any other pick where Douglas or anyone in the Jets front office would be leaking that to Breer.

Pretty bad look for the org whether you believe it or not, but if the Zach pick was Woody's it 1) helps explain the bizarre loyalty the org has shown him and 2) helps explain Woody not firing the guys who have been hamstrung by the fact that he sucks.

Jets bit starts at 8:28, the line about Woody stepping in is at 9:50.

 

 

[Creepy Lurker]

7 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Hopefully there wasn't already a thread on this that I missed, but interesting tidbit I saw from Albert Breer (Sports Illustrated/MMQB) from a spot on Colin Cowherd's show last week.

"I'll tell you this Colin, they had wanted to draft an offensive tackle a couple of years ago, and I think ownership may have stepped in and may not have wanted them to do that. You know, so you give Joe Douglas another chance to get the offensive line right..."

Given we did in fact make the Becton pick in 2020 this very much reads to me like Douglas wanted (or is at least retroactively telling Albert Breer he wanted) to take Penei Sewell or one of the top OL at the top of the 2021 draft and Woody stepped in and forced the Zach pick. I can't think of any other pick where Douglas or anyone in the Jets front office would be leaking that to Breer.

Pretty bad look for the org whether you believe it or not, but if the Zach pick was Woody's it 1) helps explain the bizarre loyalty the org has shown him and 2) helps explain Woody not firing the guys who have been hamstrung by the fact that he sucks.

Jets bit starts at 8:28, the line about Woody stepping in is at 9:50.

 

 

I don’t believe or trust any of Woody, JD and Salad. I want all gone at all costs. 

[PS17]

no way 

[Matt39]

Yeah but where’s the PROOF?

[varjet]

This makes complete sense, and I completely believe it.

I don't know whether I believe the JetBlue angle, but I believe that Woody would want a new, fresh faced, blonde, dimpled QB on a new rookie contract so he did not have to pay Darnold the 5th year option.  

I also believe that Woody has enjoyed having new QBs who he can paste on a magazine cover.  

I also don't think its a cooincidence that Sanchez, Darnold and Wilson all started game 1 their rookie years.  I also don't think its a coincidence that they all failed.  

[Adoni Beast]

[SickJetFan]

It will all come out eventually there is lots of loose lips but I have my doubts about JD not being a part of it too.  He had just drafted Becton who had a pretty good rookie year - he needed another 1st round tackle? not buying that.

[T0mShane]

15 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Hopefully there wasn't already a thread on this that I missed, but interesting tidbit I saw from Albert Breer (Sports Illustrated/MMQB) from a spot on Colin Cowherd's show last week.

"I'll tell you this Colin, they had wanted to draft an offensive tackle a couple of years ago, and I think ownership may have stepped in and may not have wanted them to do that. You know, so you give Joe Douglas another chance to get the offensive line right..."

Given we did in fact make the Becton pick in 2020 this very much reads to me like Douglas wanted (or is at least retroactively telling Albert Breer he wanted) to take Penei Sewell or one of the top OL at the top of the 2021 draft and Woody stepped in and forced the Zach pick. I can't think of any other pick where Douglas or anyone in the Jets front office would be leaking that to Breer.

Pretty bad look for the org whether you believe it or not, but if the Zach pick was Woody's it 1) helps explain the bizarre loyalty the org has shown him and 2) helps explain Woody not firing the guys who have been hamstrung by the fact that he sucks.

Jets bit starts at 8:28, the line about Woody stepping in is at 9:50.

 

 

This would more likely be Douglas wanting Ekwonu over Gardner, no? Connor Hughes was pretty confident on that bit

[HawkeyeJet]

Just now, Creepy Lurker said:

I don’t believe or trust any of Woody, JD and Salad. I want all gone at all costs. 

If this is true, and I think many here have speculated as such previously, I find it hard to give a fair shake to JD and even Saleh, who I don’t particularly care for.

If you connect all previous rumored dots, plus this, both Saleh and JD appeared to have wanted to keep Darnold, take an OL(or trade down presumably).   if they were in lockstep and the owner forced their hand, this franchise has no chance until he’s gone.  And I’ve never, ever bought into anything other than Woody just doesn’t know how to hire people.  I’m starting to believe though he truly is one of those owners who can’t help themselves from meddling.

That makes me ill, if it’s true.  It’s one thing(although I don’t like it either) to keep him on the roster at Woody’s wishes, its entirely another thing to force your staff’s hand in making such an important decision.

[Bleedin Green]

Woody is an idiot but he was back with the team for like 15 seconds at that point, and every single report for the past 3 years tells an entirely different narrative.  We've just reached the point in the Jets' repetitive life cycle where we get to the laughable story of: it's not the GM's fault that the entire team is terrible, because you see he actually just sits around on his ass all day and contributes absolutely nothing of value!  Isn't that great?!?  Now let's tell you who is really the new double-secret GM-in-hiding this time!

I mean, we certainly still see active support today for the past narrative that Maccagnan was an innocent victim back when the media was selling this for him, and the excuse for CJ giving him another go of it right?  It's kind of amazing how many times a new variation of the same nonsensical tabloid garbage suddenly must be true "this time".

Oh how convenient that it always happens to be years later when the success or failure of any decision magically changes who happened to have made it every single time, isn't it?

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

This would more likely be Douglas wanting Ekwonu over Gardner, no? Connor Hughes was pretty confident on that bit

Sauce was likely a Woody driven pick too. (Nickname, Revis Island success) Especially judging the highlights of the draft room with Woody gushing.  Tough to say which one. But I think you may be right.

[kevinc855]

Nope it was JDs pick. Stop scapegoating 

[Adoni Beast]

He didn’t mention quarterback taken iNstead of OL. Sounds like Icky was going to be taken over Sauce.

[Integrity28]

I mean, who cares? We know Woody meddles and sucks. We know JD has whiffed a ton in the draft. Is what it is.

[Bleedin Green]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This would more likely be Douglas wanting Ekwonu over Gardner, no? Connor Hughes was pretty confident on that bit

So what I feel like what you're trying to say is Woody is actually a better GM than JD?  Interesting take.

[JetPotato]

7 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Nope it was JDs pick. Stop scapegoating 

Who picked JD?

[JetPotato]

5 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I mean, who cares? We know Woody meddles and sucks. We know JD has whiffed a ton in the draft. Is what it is.

Yep.

Bottom line: until Woody dies, we have no shot.

[Prodigal Syndicate]

Douglas feeding the press info to create a narrative to make himself look less incompetent lmao.

[kevinc855]

2 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Who picked JD?

Adam gase and Chris Johnson 

[varjet]

Remember when Woody said on draft day that he knew Zach Wilson better than he knew his own children?  

Remember the next day when Denzel Mims threw a tantrum when the Jets picked him?

[Cut Jet Penalty Makers]

Not buying it. JD was creaming over ZW after his pro day. End of story.

[Adoni Beast]

1 minute ago, varjet said:

Remember when Woody said on draft day that he knew Zach Wilson better than he knew his own children?  

Remember the next day when Denzel Mims threw a tantrum when the Jets picked him?

[football guy]

I'm not saying Breer is wrong, but he's being way too loose with his phrasing of what happened.

There were discussions where the Jets considered sticking with Sam Darnold and trading down. Douglas was very much a believer in Darnold, as was the coaching staff, but they also were smitten with Wilson (as was most of the NFL). They weighed the possibilities and figured that while bringing back Sam and trading down (Kyle Pitts and Penei Sewell being the players they highlighted) would bring more immediate results, they felt drafting Zach and landing 2nd + 4th round picks for Sam had by far more upside long-term. Ownership absolutely was involved in the deliberation process, but to characterize it as if ownership blocked Douglas from going the Sam Darnold/trade down route is bogus. I realize its a he-said, she-said and battle of "sources", but all I can say is that I'm 100% sure that Douglas wasn't "forced" to trade Sam Darnold and take Zach Wilson, or any specific QB for that matter. 

Fans have to remember that when Saleh and JD had their first draft, they figured it was going to be a 3 year rebuild. I don't think either of them rationally believed things would escalate the way it did last year with the defense being one of the top units in the league and starting out 6-3. It put a brighter spotlight on the offense which was holding the team back, so Saleh and the staff decided they wanted to be ultra conservative and ride the defense in effort to get to the dance, but naturally we had all the distractions, shattered confidence, coaching-player dysfunction, etc. and the season ended on a horrible note. That led ownership coming together with coach and GM demanding we do something at QB, then landing Rodgers, and well the rest is history. 

[JTJet]

6 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

Douglas feeding the press info to create a narrative to make himself look less incompetent lmao.

This is 1000% what this is. 

And people on here line up like lemmings for it. 

[Anthony Jet]

6 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Adam gase and Chris Johnson 

Chris Johnson is way more liked in that building 

[greasyt]

I heard or read somewhere that in '21 Douglas made his decision based on who he would choose if Darnold and Zach were in the same draft.   Head-scratchingly, he surmised Zach was the better QB and went that route.  As we all know, by doing this we passed on an absolute haul for the #2 pick.

 

 

[greasyt]

I see football guy chimed in.  I'm sure his explanation is spot-on.

[UntouchableCrew]

30 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This would more likely be Douglas wanting Ekwonu over Gardner, no? Connor Hughes was pretty confident on that bit

That would be an even more disconcerting possibility lol.

[hmhertz]

The pick should have been Micah Parsons, who is more

valuable than any OLineman taken since Woody, Douglas

and Salah crapped the bed taking Kapono

[shawn306]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Hopefully there wasn't already a thread on this that I missed, but interesting tidbit I saw from Albert Breer (Sports Illustrated/MMQB) from a spot on Colin Cowherd's show last week.

"I'll tell you this Colin, they had wanted to draft an offensive tackle a couple of years ago, and I think ownership may have stepped in and may not have wanted them to do that. You know, so you give Joe Douglas another chance to get the offensive line right..."

Given we did in fact make the Becton pick in 2020 this very much reads to me like Douglas wanted (or is at least retroactively telling Albert Breer he wanted) to take Penei Sewell or one of the top OL at the top of the 2021 draft and Woody stepped in and forced the Zach pick. I can't think of any other pick where Douglas or anyone in the Jets front office would be leaking that to Breer.

Pretty bad look for the org whether you believe it or not, but if the Zach pick was Woody's it 1) helps explain the bizarre loyalty the org has shown him and 2) helps explain Woody not firing the guys who have been hamstrung by the fact that he sucks.

Jets bit starts at 8:28, the line about Woody stepping in is at 9:50.

 

 

I think Woody listened to the fans who were adamant about getting a QB.

Woody listened. 
 

JD should have told him not yet

[oatmeal]

Smfh this entire org is filled with children, from the front office to the players

Live look at the “young and talented” NYJ in a race VS the rest of the grown men in the NFL:

👀👀👀👀👀👀 

 

[derp]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

This would more likely be Douglas wanting Ekwonu over Gardner, no? Connor Hughes was pretty confident on that bit

If it’s this one then does that mean the incompetent owner is a better talent evaluator than the GM?

[Beerfish]

Just cover for the terrible gming and coaching, blame the owner.

[bitonti]

2 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I'll tell you this Colin, they had wanted to draft an offensive tackle a couple of years ago, and I think ownership may have stepped in

Hey Sewell 

[UntouchableCrew]

9 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Just cover for the terrible gming and coaching, blame the owner.

I think understanding the nature of the disfunction is important, personally. Just beating the sh*t out of some fall guy who never had a chance to succeed might be satiating for some but I’m genuinely very curious how this transpires.