The New England Patriots: Parcells, Bellichick, Ernie Adams and Brady

[varjet]

To be successful NFL team, you need a QB.  You also need someone with a brain who can find players and create a vision.

Let's look at the New England Patriots:

• Parcells coached them from 1993-1996.  He was 32-32 but 4-2 in the playoffs, and made the AFCCG in 1996.   He was Coach of the Year in 1994.  
• Pete Carroll, before USC, went 27-21 but 8-8 his last season in1999 as the Parcells magic wore off.
• Belichick took over for Pete Carroll in 2000.    Belichick went 5-11 in 2000.  Brady started playing in 2001 after Mo Lewis almost killed Drew Bledsoe.  
• Ernie Adams has worked side-by-side with Belichick for many years.
• From 2001-2019, with Brady and Ernie Adams, the Patriots went 219-66 and won 6 Super Bowls, appearing in 5 others.  Wow.  
• With Brady gone but Ernie Adams still there, the Patriots went 17-16 in 2020-2021, going 10-7 in 2021 and making the playoffs with Mac Jones.
• Ernie Adams retired in 2021.   They were 8-9 in 2022 and are now 4-12 (predicted to be 4-13 because RK will know that they only gain by losing to the Jets (and the Jets lose by winning)).  
• So, even for great coach like Bellichick, when you take away Brady and Adams, they...stink.  

The Jets were basically a hopeless, adrift organization before they brought Parcells in.  Parcells reformed the organization from top to bottom.   Groh and then Edwards rode the culture wave.  Mangini brought "Parcells" back into the building, found some building block players based on SCOUTING, not analysis, and then handed a similar scheme (3-4, Brian S) to Rex Ryan to put together two of the best consecutive years in Jets history.  Parcells is the Jets winningest coach for his three seasons, but my guess is that Ryan was better his first three (ignoring the second three).  

A successful business or team does not run by itself.  It requires a smart person with a vision who will shape and direct the organization.  The Jets and Patriots have drifted when they lacked that brilliance.  My guess is that Kraft right now is looking to recapture the brilliance, somehow.  Woody has attempted to do that with Aaron Rodgers.  He is probably 4 years too late on that, but he got him relatively cheap.  

[Bronx]

Hire these beasts! 

[Barry McCockinner]

Tannenbaum was a Parcells guy fwiw

[varjet]

7 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Tannenbaum was a Parcells guy fwiw

He was.  He was decent at executing a football expert's vision.  The Jets lack football experts, vision and execution. 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

2 hours ago, varjet said:

He was.  He was decent at executing a football expert's vision.  The Jets lack football experts, vision and execution. 

Drafting Brick and Mangold in the same draft (and Revis) was a beautiful thing.

He got desperate towards the end of his tenure though, coughing up draft capital for quick fixes.

[Barry McCockinner]

2 hours ago, varjet said:

He was.  He was decent at executing a football expert's vision.  The Jets lack football experts, vision and execution. 

He was the last piece of the Parcells era to leave the team. It has been in shambles ever since.

[slimjasi]

5 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

He was the last piece of the Parcells era to leave the team. It has been in shambles ever since.

Yet another reason it’s always shocking to see jets fans sh*t on Parcells 

[rangerous]

3 hours ago, varjet said:

To be successful NFL team, you need a QB.  You also need someone with a brain who can find players and create a vision.

Let's look at the New England Patriots:

• Parcells coached them from 1993-1996.  He was 32-32 but 4-2 in the playoffs, and made the AFCCG in 1996.   He was Coach of the Year in 1994.  
• Pete Carroll, before USC, went 27-21 but 8-8 his last season in1999 as the Parcells magic wore off.
• Belichick took over for Pete Carroll in 2000.    Belichick went 5-11 in 2000.  Brady started playing in 2001 after Mo Lewis almost killed Drew Bledsoe.  
• Ernie Adams has worked side-by-side with Belichick for many years.
• From 2001-2019, with Brady and Ernie Adams, the Patriots went 219-66 and won 6 Super Bowls, appearing in 5 others.  Wow.  
• With Brady gone but Ernie Adams still there, the Patriots went 17-16 in 2020-2021, going 10-7 in 2021 and making the playoffs with Mac Jones.
• Ernie Adams retired in 2021.   They were 8-9 in 2022 and are now 4-12 (predicted to be 4-13 because RK will know that they only gain by losing to the Jets (and the Jets lose by winning)).  
• So, even for great coach like Bellichick, when you take away Brady and Adams, they...stink.  

The Jets were basically a hopeless, adrift organization before they brought Parcells in.  Parcells reformed the organization from top to bottom.   Groh and then Edwards rode the culture wave.  Mangini brought "Parcells" back into the building, found some building block players based on SCOUTING, not analysis, and then handed a similar scheme (3-4, Brian S) to Rex Ryan to put together two of the best consecutive years in Jets history.  Parcells is the Jets winningest coach for his three seasons, but my guess is that Ryan was better his first three (ignoring the second three).  

A successful business or team does not run by itself.  It requires a smart person with a vision who will shape and direct the organization.  The Jets and Patriots have drifted when they lacked that brilliance.  My guess is that Kraft right now is looking to recapture the brilliance, somehow.  Woody has attempted to do that with Aaron Rodgers.  He is probably 4 years too late on that, but he got him relatively cheap.  

Another shot at the bellichicken?  The thing is he also made the playoffs at Cleveland with either Kodak or testaverde.  They didn’t do much his final season in Cleveland because modell was pulling his not so secret disappearing act.  What coach doesn’t need a decent qb?  But it’s still more than that because football is still a team game.

[varjet]

1 minute ago, rangerous said:

Another shot at the bellichicken?  The thing is he also made the playoffs at Cleveland with either Kodak or testaverde.  They didn’t do much his final season in Cleveland because modell was pulling his not so secret disappearing act.  What coach doesn’t need a decent qb?  But it’s still more than that because football is still a team game.

BB and Ernie Adams made the playoffs with 2nd year Mac Jones.  Without Adams BB is lost.   That was one of the points I was trying to make.  Adams found the right players for the system.  He was the secret sauce. 

[rangerous]

1 minute ago, varjet said:

BB and Ernie Adams made the playoffs with 2nd year Mac Jones.  Without Adams BB is lost.   That was one of the points I was trying to make.  Adams found the right players for the system.  He was the secret sauce. 

Okay.  It just seems that too often the bellichicken gets dissed for having Brady and he’s the only reason why he won.  And even adams may not have the impact people think.  These are pretty slim correlations being made.  And going back to the patsies, those first sb teams were built by parcells, Carroll, and Grier.

[Gainzo]

3 minutes ago, varjet said:

BB and Ernie Adams made the playoffs with 2nd year Mac Jones.  Without Adams BB is lost.   That was one of the points I was trying to make.  Adams found the right players for the system.  He was the secret sauce. 

The Pats are terrible this season but they are still playing hard for BB. Are the Jets doing the same for Saleh?

[Barry McCockinner]

Just now, Gainzo said:

The Pats are terrible this season but they are still playing hard for BB. Are the Jets doing the same for Saleh?

[PFSIKH]

14 hours ago, varjet said:

BB and Ernie Adams made the playoffs with 2nd year Mac Jones.  Without Adams BB is lost.   That was one of the points I was trying to make.  Adams found the right players for the system.  He was the secret sauce. 

Belichick's five years in Cleveland look eerily similar to his last four years.

 A defense that does well enough to keep the team in games and an offense that struggles.  This equals a ton of one score losses.

There is no doubt Ernie Adams contributed.  He pointed out the play in the Seattle Superbowl that Malcom Butler picked Russell Wilson on.

To lay this Belichick's failure at the loss of Ernie is wrong though.  His playoff season in Cleavland and his one with Mac are virtually the same.  A D that did a very good job of giving up points and an offense that did not crap down its own leg.

[Gen X Jet]

Amazing that we are writing the Pats dynasty obituary.  Too bad the Jets are still run by smooth brainers.

[southparkcpa]

16 hours ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Drafting Brick and Mangold in the same draft (and Revis) was a beautiful thing.

He got desperate towards the end of his tenure though, coughing up draft capital for quick fixes.

and taking advice from REX. Coples, Kyle Wilson et al

[GreenFish]

For what it’s worth, Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh do have a vision for this team. The vision is to find players that fit the systems we are running. We also focus on home run hitters. So we draft guys with high athletic ability.

Whether it’s being executed correctly is the question. I think on defense the answer is yes. On offense the answer is no. The real question is why has the organization failed on the offensive side? To me, a large part is coaching and QB. 

I dont beleive the talent on offense is as epically bad as it’s been this year. We just have a bad QB and our player’s seem to underachieve. Guys come here and look like trash. Lazard is the latest guy to sh*t the bed. 

[extmenace]

Fact of the matter is that if you don’t have consistent qb play, you can’t be consistent. Yes, the make up of the team as far as the staff goes makes a huge difference, but that generally makes a good team great. The chargers from the mid 2000’s with LT and rivers is a pretty good example of that. Great regular seasons but couldn’t finish the job. Belicheck has the coaching chops to win big games, that’s been proven over and over again, but without Brady, he is in the same boat as every other franchise that just can’t get things going. The NFL is a QB driven league and it’s been that way since the mid 2000’s. We probably won’t  see a Trent dilfer-esque led team win a Super Bowl again. Outside of maybe shannahan, all the “great” coaching staffs and front offices that consistently win have the qb in place. The qb is the key to making coaching staff and front offices look bad, mediocre, good, or great. “Genius” cannot be shown without the qb. The patriots decline is because they didn’t successfully move on from Brady.