Bryce Huff - Trade Scenario

[Sammybighead]

Wanted to run a hypothetical past the board. First off, I don’t want to make this thread a debate on Huff’s ability and get into a back and forth about whether we SHOULD trade him or not. For the record, I love Huff and hope he’s extended.

Just purely a hypothetical thought I had:

Is there any possibility, however slim, the Jets consider using the non-exclusive franchise tag on Huff and try to work out a trade (not necessarily for a first round pick, but maybe a 2nd and 3rd)?

From a pure “best use of assets” perspective, leveraging a talented defensive player like Huff to get a 2nd and 3rd may allow you to completely rebuild the offensive line in 1 draft/free agency period.

That said, I see a few reasons this is a long shot:

1. I don’t think anyone sees Huff as worth the top 5 players at his position average salary. Of course any team trading for him can work out whatever extension they want with him but it would be difficult to talk Huff down from that plateau once he’s tagged.

2. He was transition tagged once already and nobody gave up a 2nd for him. He’s had more tape/playing time since and has produced, but still a worry.

3. Do the Jets want to risk not being able to move him if they tag him? 

I don’t see this scenario as likely, but just wanted to see if there was any chance or am I just bonkers for even suggesting it? From a Jets perspective, I think they’ll be highly motivated to get as many assets as possible to rebuild the oline this offseason so I’m sure they’re thinking about every angle.

I think (I hope) the more likely scenario is they extend Huff for a reasonable contract OR let him walk and hope to pick up a comp pick down the road.

[Augustiniak]

3rd round pick. 

[nyjets1969]

2nd round pick might have to trade Huff plus a 6 or 5th

[Adoni Beast]

7 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

3rd round pick. 

People have traded more for less. I’d expect a 2nd rounder.

[rangerous]

I think the reason why they try to sign and trade is so they get the draft pick this year.  If they just let him be a free agent they may get a third round compensatory pick but for next years draft.  Maybe that works too depending on how free agency goes but I think the jets need players now so a pick this season is better.

[Augustiniak]

8 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

People have traded more for less. I’d expect a 2nd rounder.

If they can get a 2nd rounder, I’d do it now.  That pick could be huge.  My dream plan is to flip huff for a 2nd, then trade up for a qb like mccarthy who i think isn’t getting enough love.  If he makes it to the 2nd round, trade up for him and have him be the backup and he’ll play enough games next year anyway.

[TuscanyTile2]

13 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

If they can get a 2nd rounder, I’d do it now.  That pick could be huge.  My dream plan is to flip huff for a 2nd, then trade up for a qb like mccarthy who i think isn’t getting enough love.  If he makes it to the 2nd round, trade up for him and have him be the backup and he’ll play enough games next year anyway.

It's painful that this is (at least seemingly) such a good QB draft because I don't think the Jets are taking one, unless it's a day 3 flier type of guy.  I can't see how this offseason is about anything other than getting an OL in place to protect AR8 and adding at least another 1-2 quality WRs.

Without being a draft guru, my initial position is that I want the Jets to draft Jayden Daniels (if we're in position to) but it doesn't feel the least bit realistic.

[Adoni Beast]

17 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

If they can get a 2nd rounder, I’d do it now.  That pick could be huge.  My dream plan is to flip huff for a 2nd, then trade up for a qb like mccarthy who i think isn’t getting enough love.  If he makes it to the 2nd round, trade up for him and have him be the backup and he’ll play enough games next year anyway.

Me too however….I think if we recoup a 2nd…GM RODGERS won’t select a QB that early…..earliest would be a 3rd rounder.

[chirorob]

The only way you can trade him is if he is franchised. 

If he is, that salary is what, 20 ish?   No one is giving you a 2nd round pick and paying Huff 20 million

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, Adoni Beast said:

Me too however….I think if we recoup a 2nd…GM RODGERS won’t select a QB that early…..earliest would be a 3rd rounder.

Maybe, yet, his path to a Super Bowl here needs a real backup qb who can win games, and a guy like mccarthy has a better shot than some stiff backup b/c i doubt the jets are going to be able to sign a good one.  Plus, if you’re douglas, you know you have one more year to prove you can field competent qbs, so if I’m him i care less about what rodgers wants and more about how to save my job.  And when rodgers is injured, and he will be injured, I’d rather have a good rookie go in there and look good b/c that’s the best way i remain gm. 

[Lupz27]

Guy is disrupting on passing downs.

Hopefully Rodgers brings late game leads next year and Huff will shine.

Sign Him!

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26 minutes ago, chirorob said:

The only way you can trade him is if he is franchised. 

If he is, that salary is what, 20 ish?   No one is giving you a 2nd round pick and paying Huff 20 million

I'd imagine Huff gets at least $20m guaranteed from his new team over 3 years. That $20m would likely be his signing bonus.

[Bleedin Green]

It's definitely a tough situation.  The best move would've been to talk extension with him last offseason, but that went out the window with the McD pick and Huff's payday became certain to come from somewhere else.  Tag and trade is a theoretical option, but the problem is going to be the cap situation, considering they have a number of contracts expiring while having little money to work with because of all the money previously pushed into future/void years now coming due.  Freeing up cap room is going to be a need just to fill out the roster, and likely looking for even more to be active in this year's FA, so tacking on a large amount for Huff is much easier said than done.

OTC projects the franchise tag for DE to be at $23M+ (https://overthecap.com/franchise-transition-and-rfa-tenders), and that all needs to be fit on the cap immediately at the time of tagging, as there's no creative contract structuring on the table, which makes it tough.  If anything, they'd likely need to free up enough space for Huff, then get him traded away before they could have that money turned around to use for FA, which gives a very small window of time and would seriously hurt their negotiating position.

Given that, it's possible they just let him walk and accept the 2025 comp pick that will come from him, but even then they'd need to be mindful to not forfeit that with any of this year's signings.  Otherwise, pretty much the only way to free up the space is to either continue pushing more dead money into future years, which is what put them in this cap situation, or be willing to make some big money cuts over the next two months.  Forgetting for a moment anyone's respective opinions on their abilities as a player, just from a monetary standpoint it would take outright cuts of all of Mosley, Tomlinson, and Uzomah just to free up enough space for Huff, then still need to make sure they can trade Huff to get that money back to refill those positions and others.  Those 3 and JFM (and to a lesser extent, Conklin) are really the only players on the roster who could bring any significant savings from being cut, thanks in no small part to the amount of guarantees and/or void years on many other players' contracts.

If I had to guess, they'll be actively calling around for trade interest and their tag decision will be driven solely on whether they can get a move done extremely quickly, essentially at the very start of the new league year.  The offers will probably be not so great though, considering other teams will know that the Jets are not in a great negotiating position, that they'd need to take Huff's $23M+ to start, and then likely need to negotiate a FA-type contract with him after that.

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

This is why our organization is in shambles . We discover a good pass rusher and are making excuses why we can't keep him . WHAT A BUNCH OF BOOBS !!!

[joewilly12]

First legit pass rusher we’ve had in years …. sure let’s trade him. 

[FidelioJet]

Jets will get nothing for Huff.  He will become a free agent.

[Creepy Lurker]

All the comp pick talk makes me laugh. That is far from guaranteed when the Jets need to be active in free agency AGAIN to try and fill glaring holes. It’s either tag and take a chance at being stuck with him at the tag amount or likely get nothing if he leaves as a free agent due to the comp pick offsets from signing new talent. 

[JTJet]

25 minutes ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said:

This is why our organization is in shambles . We discover a good pass rusher and are making excuses why we can't keep him . WHAT A BUNCH OF BOOBS !!!

[Beerfish]

Douglas blew it again, should have singed him last year if the legit plan was to retain him.    Basically showed an intention not to sign him by drafting Will the thrill.   Huff has a good year and the team ants him.   What the defense wants the defense gets so he will be resigned to too large of a contract imo.

I just do not see how we can trade him at this point.  As others have stated we would have to franchise him and then trade him.  He is not worth the franchise tag.

[Barton]

You cannot trade your best pass rusher (and by a wide margin) who is only 25 yrs old.

Its 1 of the most important positions on any successful team.

If anything, you trade Jermaine Johnson. But they dont need to do that.

Cut other guys, let others go (whitehead) and move money around.

Huff can be had for 15 mill a year or less. Nobody is giving him 20. 

[Lizard King]

When is the last time the Jets had someone who could get to the quarterback, the first Bush administration? So let’s drop him? 

[Bleedin Green]

21 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Douglas blew it again, should have singed him last year if the legit plan was to retain him.    Basically showed an intention not to sign him by dating Will the thrill.   Huff has a good year and the team ants him.   What the defense wants the defense gets so he will be resigned to too large of a contract imo.

I just do not see how we can trade him at this point.  As others have stated we would have to franchise him and then trade him.  He is not worth the franchise tag.

 

12 minutes ago, Barton said:

You cannot trade your best pass rusher (and by a wide margin) who is only 25 yrs old.

Its 1 of the most important positions on any successful team.

If anything, you trade Jermaine Johnson. But they dont need to do that.

Cut other guys, let others go (whitehead) and move money around.

Huff can be had for 15 mill a year or less. Nobody is giving him 20. 

If at another position, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Huff be given a backloaded contract with lots of void years to spread out this entire year's pay coming in the form of a signing bonus.  However, paying for Huff would have to be admitting fault on either JJ or McD, which JD has shown himself largely incapable of doing.  A trade of JFM would definitely have to be the very first order of business to make this even a consideration, for both the sake of freeing up money and giving an opportunity for JD to force all his guys out there.

However, the biggest piece of this is if the Jets don't use the franchise tag, Huff has absolutely no reason to accept a contract before the beginning of FA.  Regardless of our thoughts on the Jets, JD, or any other factor, from a purely objective position it is 100% in Huff's own best interests to get himself to the FA market and see what offers he can get.  History tells us that odds are pretty high that would help increase his numbers and also gives him a better chance at a fully committed starting gig.  That doesn't mean the Jets couldn't keep themselves as part of those negotiations, but that strategy would take the power out of their hands, and they'd have to know odds are not in their favor once he hits the market.

[Dunnie]

It's painful that this is (at least seemingly) such a good QB draft because I don't think the Jets are taking one, unless it's a day 3 flier type of guy.  I can't see how this offseason is about anything other than getting an OL in place to protect AR8 and adding at least another 1-2 quality WRs.
Without being a draft guru, my initial position is that I want the Jets to draft Jayden Daniels (if we're in position to) but it doesn't feel the least bit realistic.

... Wrong thread .. but I like Huff for 13 mill per .. otherwise tag.

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[GreenFish]

Ngakoue is always the comp I think of when thinking of Huff.

He got traded to the Colts for a 2nd and a 5th.

I would personally like to sign Huff for something like a 3 year deal at $13-14 per year. But if that doesnt work, the transition tag and a trade for a 2nd would be fine.

[JiFtheOracle]

3 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

Ngakoue is always the comp I think of when thinking of Huff.

He got traded to the Colts for a 2nd and a 5th.

I would personally like to sign Huff for something like a 3 year deal at $13-14 per year. But if that doesnt work, the transition tag and a trade for a 2nd would be fine.

Legit was just about to post the same exact thing.  They profile similar but because they had different routes to a roster in the NFL, Yannick was way more proven/productive over a longer period of time, so I'm not 100% sure he'd yield the same thing but honestly dont know.  That said, I agree, I think you can probably sign him for a very reasonable price, let Lawson walk recoup his money and have JJ/McDonald on rookie contracts while you pay Huff. 

[RutgersJetFan]

Huff had the exact season everyone thought he would and he couldn’t get a second rounder last year when he would have been cheaper. I have my doubts about him still being worth that at this point. He’s worth more to the Jets to just pay given the uncertainty for McDonald next year. Had he had a stronger rookie campaign this would have been an easier decision to make. 

[Alworth]

Huff is a guy who, if he were on an opponent, we'd be asking why can't we have a situational pass rusher like that? But the good thing is we can. have him. We cut Mosely and that more than covers the cost of Huff in '24 on the kind of extended deal some here have in mind---signing bonus amortized over four years and we pay him small salary in '24. Cap costs will be felt in the post-24 years, but we can work with that. And, more importantly, I submit both that both he and W.M. IV are worth it--at least during WM IVs rookie contract, even if each of them plays only 50% of the D snaps. And they each can play at least 50% of the snaps because sometimes neither can on the field in run situations and both in passing situations. I think none of the foregoing is crazy, but I'd like to hear from others if it's crazy or not.

 

[FootballLove]

With JFM making coin, with Jermain Johnson coming on strong, and with WmD getting selected in the 1st round, Joe Douglas has played this right. All this makes Huff a really nice piece to add/keep, but won't sink the battle ship if he moves on to greener $$$ pastures.

If Will McDonald comes on in his 2nd season like Jermain, then we have JFM, Will, and Jermain all playing the same roll as Huff.

Having 4 rotational stud pass rushers is awesome...most teams are happy with one. But if we have to forge ahead with only 3, so be it.

Plus Huff came here as an UDFA. Which means JoeD has an eye for these pups. He may be able to hook another fish late in the draft or UDFA pool that just needs time. Huff 2.0

But who knows. We're better with Huff, but we aren't a last place Defense w/o him.

[Alka]

4 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

If they can get a 2nd rounder, I’d do it now.  That pick could be huge.  My dream plan is to flip huff for a 2nd, then trade up for a qb like mccarthy who i think isn’t getting enough love.  If he makes it to the 2nd round, trade up for him and have him be the backup and he’ll play enough games next year anyway.

I just don't see picking a 2nd round player who will instantly be as good as Huff is right now.  His win rate is among the best in the NFL, and the guy is only 25 years old.  For me, a 2nd round and a 4th round pick is what I need to trade him.  

Yes, when he was up for a 2nd round pick before he broke out, noone wanted to give up a 2nd round pick.  But now, he is easily worth that much and more.

[NYJCAP2]

I think Huff’s asking for A LOT, $20M+.

They might let him hit the market, and they will both find out $15M a year is close to his current worth.

[FidelioJet]

4 hours ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said:

This is why our organization is in shambles . We discover a good pass rusher and are making excuses why we can't keep him . WHAT A BUNCH OF BOOBS !!!

they are boobs, no doubt...but the moves they've made over the past couple of years have put them in a position that keeping him would be a mistake.

That is one of the many reasons why it's clear Joe Douglas is in over his head.

[Ron Rico]

Whatever happened to Zaire Barnes? I was really hoping he was going to replace Mosely. Last years first round pick is looking dumber and dumber. 

[TheAustrian]

3 hours ago, GreenFish said:

Ngakoue is always the comp I think of when thinking of Huff.

He got traded to the Colts for a 2nd and a 5th.

I would personally like to sign Huff for something like a 3 year deal at $13-14 per year. But if that doesnt work, the transition tag and a trade for a 2nd would be fine.

He wont Play for 14 bucks 

[MykePM]

7 hours ago, Sammybighead said:

Wanted to run a hypothetical past the board. First off, I don’t want to make this thread a debate on Huff’s ability and get into a back and forth about whether we SHOULD trade him or not. For the record, I love Huff and hope he’s extended.

Just purely a hypothetical thought I had:

Is there any possibility, however slim, the Jets consider using the non-exclusive franchise tag on Huff and try to work out a trade (not necessarily for a first round pick, but maybe a 2nd and 3rd)?

From a pure “best use of assets” perspective, leveraging a talented defensive player like Huff to get a 2nd and 3rd may allow you to completely rebuild the offensive line in 1 draft/free agency period.

That said, I see a few reasons this is a long shot:

1. I don’t think anyone sees Huff as worth the top 5 players at his position average salary. Of course any team trading for him can work out whatever extension they want with him but it would be difficult to talk Huff down from that plateau once he’s tagged.

2. He was transition tagged once already and nobody gave up a 2nd for him. He’s had more tape/playing time since and has produced, but still a worry.

3. Do the Jets want to risk not being able to move him if they tag him? 

I don’t see this scenario as likely, but just wanted to see if there was any chance or am I just bonkers for even suggesting it? From a Jets perspective, I think they’ll be highly motivated to get as many assets as possible to rebuild the oline this offseason so I’m sure they’re thinking about every angle.

I think (I hope) the more likely scenario is they extend Huff for a reasonable contract OR let him walk and hope to pick up a comp pick down the road.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think one other hurdle to a tag-and-trade scenario is that Huff would need to sign the tag offer before the trade could be consummated - which would effectively let him veto the trade if he wasn't on board with going to the team willing to trade for him.

[CanadaSteve]

7 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

If they can get a 2nd rounder, I’d do it now.  That pick could be huge.  My dream plan is to flip huff for a 2nd, then trade up for a qb like mccarthy who i think isn’t getting enough love.  If he makes it to the 2nd round, trade up for him and have him be the backup and he’ll play enough games next year anyway.

We are not drafting a QB in this draft with the first pick when Aaron Rodgers has said he is coming back, and we don't have an LT or an RT.  It ain't happening.  Not in this universe, not in this dimension.