Who’s the last Jets positional coach or coordinator to get a promotion with another organization?

[Matt39]

Bueller

But with word the running backs coach is leaving, does anyone know? Also fascinating that winning teams are gutting staffs while the Jets remain mostly as is.

[slimjasi]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Bueller

But with word the running backs coach is leaving, does anyone know? Also fascinating that winning teams are gutting staffs while the Jets remain mostly as is.

continuity, baby!

[bonkertons]

If Rodgers played the whole season and we still missed the playoffs, you'd 100% see a new staff next year.  We'd probably be drafting a QB as well.

 

As far as the question, no idea.  I'm sure it's happened but I can't remember a specific example.

[Fantasy Island]

Isn’t going to another organization essentially a promotion ?

[chirorob]

Bellichek?

[Matt39]

4 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:

Isn’t going to another organization essentially a promotion ?

Fair. But it’s wild that under Woody is has never really happened. Last guy I can think of is Dan Quinn forever ago. I think Bob Sutton went to KC to be a d coordinator but he was old and had that job with the Jets at one point too. The Jets are at the bottom of the totem pole for talent pipeline. Same with the front office. 

[Jack Straw]

Anthony Lynn and Mike Pettine. 

[Trotter]

might be Westhoff

I think he had an asst head coach or equiv title with the saints.

Sad.

[Matt39]

4 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

Anthony Lynn and Mike Pettine. 

Petrine went to the Bills to be a DC before getting the Browns gig. Ditto Lynn. 

[varjet]

This is just another sign that the organization is not of the quality that we expect it to be.

NO ONE is being hired from the Jets front office.  

[Trotter]

10 minutes ago, varjet said:

This is just another sign that the organization is not of the quality that we expect it to be.

NO ONE is being hired from the Jets front office.  

Richie was hired away from the Jets to be the hc of the Eagles - wait that just enforces your claim of non quality - yeah we suck😀

[BCJet]

This thread exemplifies why the fans who want to fire JD need to take a deep breath and think about what he inherited (yes it was a while ago) and what we would wind up with once he is gone.

The jets front office personnel (and one Coach who is also completely out of football) dont get fired and simply find new jobs for another team, they cant even find employment in the NFL or college.

John Idzik - Assistant to the GM for the jags.  Note, not Assistant GM, he is the Assistant to the GM - essentially a traveling secretary.

Mike Macagnan - completely out of football

Anyone who is in a role as important as Woody Johnson has to have a network of people they can turn to when they need to fill executive level roles in their organization.  Instead, he is a complete bufoon who has no respect in the league and has to call people like Charlie Casserly to recommend people for top roles.   Think about how insanely bad Woody must be - this is an NFL team, located in New York, that is the 9th most valuable franchise in all of sports and when you go out to find someone to lead it, you wind up with Mike Macagnan and John Idzik.  Not great....

[Matt39]

5 minutes ago, BCJet said:

This thread exemplifies why the fans who want to fire JD need to take a deep breath and think about what he inherited (yes it was a while ago) and what we would wind up with once he is gone.

The jets front office personnel (and one Coach who is also completely out of football) dont get fired and simply find new jobs for another team, they cant even find employment in the NFL or college.

John Idzik - Assistant to the GM for the jags.  Note, not Assistant GM, he is the Assistant to the GM - essentially a traveling secretary.

Mike Macagnan - completely out of football

Anyone who is in a role as important as Woody Johnson has to have a network of people they can turn to when they need to fill executive level roles in their organization.  Instead, he is a complete bufoon who has no respect in the league and has to call people like Charlie Casserly to recommend people for top roles.   Think about how insanely bad Woody must be - this is an NFL team, located in New York, that is the 9th most valuable franchise in all of sports and when you go out to find someone to lead it, you wind up with Mike Macagnan and John Idzik.  Not great....

Douglas hasn’t hired any personell guys either. The Jets seem to bring in guys with either limited Rolodexes or don’t have the brains to l know how to build a staff. It’s also possible that Woody and Elhai need to sign off on any of this stuff because they like being involved. Either way, it all funnels back to Woody. 

[Prodigal Syndicate]

15 minutes ago, BCJet said:

This thread exemplifies why the fans who want to fire JD need to take a deep breath and think about what he inherited (yes it was a while ago) and what we would wind up with once he is gone.

The jets front office personnel (and one Coach who is also completely out of football) dont get fired and simply find new jobs for another team, they cant even find employment in the NFL or college.

John Idzik - Assistant to the GM for the jags.  Note, not Assistant GM, he is the Assistant to the GM - essentially a traveling secretary.

Mike Macagnan - completely out of football

Anyone who is in a role as important as Woody Johnson has to have a network of people they can turn to when they need to fill executive level roles in their organization.  Instead, he is a complete bufoon who has no respect in the league and has to call people like Charlie Casserly to recommend people for top roles.   Think about how insanely bad Woody must be - this is an NFL team, located in New York, that is the 9th most valuable franchise in all of sports and when you go out to find someone to lead it, you wind up with Mike Macagnan and John Idzik.  Not great....

Douglas has a worse record than both of them.

[varjet]

In retrospect I think JD was "talked up" by the Eagles and they likely were glad to see him go.  Watch Andre Dillard land on the Jets (he did get a big contract from the Titans, another team owned by a nepo baby that appears adrift).  

The top teams have young, dynamic front offices staffed by educated, smart people.  The Jets are basically JD, Rex Hogan, Chad Alexander, plus almost entirely carry-overs from previous regimes.  

Another thread basically said that after next year it was likely that there would be a complete cleanout of JD, Saleh and their staffs.  That is likely to not be entirely true.  All of the coaches will go, and JD, Hogan and Alexander will go.  But the scouts will remain, as they alway have.  These are the guys writing the Becton, Zippy, Mims and E Moore scouting reports, among others. 

[rex-n-effect]

19 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Douglas hasn’t hired any personell guys either. The Jets seem to bring in guys with either limited Rolodexes or don’t have the brains to l know how to build a staff. It’s also possible that Woody and Elhai need to sign off on any of this stuff because they like being involved. Either way, it all funnels back to Woody. 

Also if you have a stable job in personnel with a decent team, why go to the Jets where you're attached to a GM who empirically is unlikely to see the end of his first contract?

[shawn306]

Here is an interesting one.

Brian Daboll. The current coach of the Giants was the QB coach of the Jets back in 2007. Went to the Browns in 2009 as the OC

Todd Bowles was the secondary coach in 2000 

Mike Pettine was the DC under Rex. became the Bills DC in 2013 before becoming the HC of the Browns in 2014. So I don't know if that counts or not.

[Dcat]

not sure about coaches or co-ords, but I recently read that Mike Macgnan was promoted to Assistant Manager at the Duluth, Minnesota train station Dunkin Donuts.

[Sperm Edwards]

It's not surprising that a team with so many years of failure since that 2010 season ended wouldn't get teams poaching their coaching staff to promote individuals after Jets' failures. But a number of them got promoted very quickly -- often 1 year removed from getting hired away from the Jets. 

If the goal is to indicate we've had nothing but bad coaches no one else would hire, it fails on that front, even if none of them turned into the next Reid/etc. Of course if that had happened it'd have been no less of an indictment on the FO to let go of such a valued coach.

Since that last AFCCG appearance...

• Bill Callahan went from OLC with the '11 Jets to OC in Dallas in '12.
• Mike Pettine from DC in 2012 to DC in Buffalo in '13 to HC in Cleveland in '14. 
• Anthony Lynn went from RBC in '14 to OC in '16 to HC in '17.
• Mike Caldwell was the Jets' ILB coach in 2018. In 2022 he was named the Jaguars' DC.
• Jim Bob Cooter went from RBC in '19-20, to passing game coordinator in '22 to OC in '23.
• Mick Lombardi went from "offensive assistant" with the '18 Jets to WRC from '20-21 to OC from '22-23 (before getting thrown out with the Josh McDaniels bathwater in Vegas)
• Rick Dennison went from Jets OLC in 2018 to OLC + also a half-OC (running game coordinator) for Minnesota in 2019. Meh, but it's still a promotion, even if it was short-lived.
• Matt Burke went from "game management" job in '21 - basically a nondescript/BS position (presumably on occasion Saleh would bounce things off him during games) to DLC with Arizona in '22, and then became Houston's DC a year later in '23.

 

[Matt39]

9 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

Also if you have a stable job in personnel with a decent team, why go to the Jets where you're attached to a GM who empirically is unlikely to see the end of his first contract?

If it’s a promotion? Assuming Douglas has the authority to make hires within his department, part of his job is seeking out promising talent to come work for him. If he doesn’t have that ability he shouldn’t be in the job. No one from the Jets ever gets promoted. It’s wild.

[Matt39]

4 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

It's not surprising that a team with so many years of failure since that 2010 season ended wouldn't get teams poaching their coaching staff to promote individuals after Jets' failures. But a number of them got promoted very quickly -- often 1 year removed from getting hired away from the Jets. 

If the goal is to indicate we've had nothing but bad coaches no one else would hire, it fails on that front, even if none of them turned into the next Reid/etc. Of course if that had happened it'd have been no less of an indictment on the FO to let go of such a valued coach.

Since that last AFCCG appearance...

• Bill Callahan went from OLC with the '11 Jets to OC in Dallas in '12.
• Mike Pettine from DC in 2012 to DC in Buffalo in '13 to HC in Cleveland in '14. 
• Anthony Lynn went from RBC in '14 to OC in '16 to HC in '17.
• Mike Caldwell was the Jets' ILB coach in 2018. In 2022 he was named the Jaguars' DC.
• Jim Bob Cooter went from RBC in '19-20, to passing game coordinator in '22 to OC in '23.
• Mick Lombardi went from "offensive assistant" with the '18 Jets to WRC from '20-21 to OC from '22-23 (before getting thrown out with the Josh McDaniels bathwater in Vegas)
• Rick Dennison went from Jets OLC in 2018 to OLC + also a half-OC (running game coordinator) for Minnesota in 2019. Meh, but it's still a promotion, even if it was short-lived.
• Matt Burke went from "game management" job in '21 - basically a nondescript/BS position (presumably on occasion Saleh would bounce things off him during games) to DLC with Arizona in '22, and then became Houston's DC a year later in '23.

 

So Burke was the only immediate promotion from Jets to next team? That’s brutal.

[BCJet]

22 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

Douglas has a worse record than both of them.

Idzik had 19 draft picks in 2 seasons with only Sheldon Richardson Brian Winters having reasonable careers

Here is Mac's draft history:  https://www.jetnation.com/2019/05/21/updated-mike-maccagnan-draft-history/

From 2015-2019 he picked the following "good pro players". Quinnen Williams, Leonard Williams, Brandon Shell, Jordan Jenkins, Jamal Adams, Marcus Maye, Foley Fatuski and I guess Blake Cashman.

So in 6 seasons before JD got here, we got I got one elite player from the draft in Quinnen even though we routinely picked in the top 10 and had one draft with 12 selections.

It hasnt been great the past 2 years, but he inherited a roster that was not bad, it was atrocious. 

[Matt39]

12 minutes ago, shawn306 said:

Here is an interesting one.

Brian Daboll. The current coach of the Giants was the QB coach of the Jets back in 2007. Went to the Browns in 2009 as the OC

Todd Bowles was the secondary coach in 2000 

Mike Pettine was the DC under Rex. became the Bills DC in 2013 before becoming the HC of the Browns in 2014. So I don't know if that counts or not.

Eric Mangini could identify coaches. Petine left his HS gig and worked for nothing with the Ravens and became tight with Rex. Pettine id interview  for HC again. 

[Sperm Edwards]

6 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

So Burke was the only immediate promotion from Jets to next team? That’s brutal.

Who cares?

The Jets have sucked for the past 15 years -- like anyone would promote anyone from such coaching staffs.

The coaches were considered, by other teams, to be good enough to get promotions within a year or two. 

Whether it's a year later or right after that is incidental, not some smoking gun. They're the same people. 

[Matt39]

5 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Who cares?

The Jets have sucked for the past 15 years -- like anyone would promote anyone from such coaching staffs.

The coaches were considered, by other teams, to be good enough to get promotions within a year or two. 

Whether it's a year later or right after that is incidental, not some smoking gun. They're the same people. 

What? That’s not incidental at all lol. That list just illustrates how deep the rot is within the Jets. Win/loss is not indicative of how strong or weak a positional coach is. 

[Sperm Edwards]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

What? That’s not incidental at all lol. That list just illustrates how deep the rot is within the Jets. Win/loss is not indicative of how strong or weak a positional coach is. 

We already knew the Jets have sucked.

If someone gets hired away and within a year or two gets a major promotion (if not successive, significant promotions) it's incidental whether or not it was literally within the year. If anything it's an indication it was the players not the coaches - or anyway, more than the coaches - which is no great shock to anyone.

2016-2023 even with all the AFC and NFL championships, there have been just two immediate promotions from the Chiefs. BFD.

[Matt39]

4 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

We already knew the Jets have sucked.

If someone gets hired away and within a year or two gets a major promotion (if not successive, significant promotions) it's incidental whether or not it was literally within the year. If anything it's an indication it was the players not the coaches - or anyway, more than the coaches - which is no great shock to anyone.

2016-2023 even with all the AFC and NFL championships, there have been just two immediate promotions from the Chiefs. BFD.

I mean, Andy Reid is old and his coaching tree speaks for itself. 

[Sperm Edwards]

8 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I mean, Andy Reid is old and his coaching tree speaks for itself. 

The recent list of "immediate promotions" from the Ravens:

• David Culley, 2020 WRC/PGC promoted to HC of the Texans in 2021, who fired him after one 4-win season.
• Leslie Frasier, a longtime DC and HC, in 2016 took a 1 year job as their safety coach (after getting fired with Lovie Smith in Tampa), was promoted back to DC, though arguably that was a name-only promotion as McDermott 
• Ted Monachino promoted from LBC in '15 to DC in '16. Fired after his two seasons as DC culminated in the #30 ranked defense.

Be still my heart.

[rangerous]

27 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Idzik had 19 draft picks in 2 seasons with only Sheldon Richardson Brian Winters having reasonable careers

Here is Mac's draft history:  https://www.jetnation.com/2019/05/21/updated-mike-maccagnan-draft-history/

From 2015-2019 he picked the following "good pro players". Quinnen Williams, Leonard Williams, Brandon Shell, Jordan Jenkins, Jamal Adams, Marcus Maye, Foley Fatuski and I guess Blake Cashman.

So in 6 seasons before JD got here, we got I got one elite player from the draft in Quinnen even though we routinely picked in the top 10 and had one draft with 12 selections.

It hasnt been great the past 2 years, but he inherited a roster that was not bad, it was atrocious. 

Didn’t idzik pick geno? 

[rangerous]

11 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I mean, Andy Reid is old and his coaching tree speaks for itself. 

How about all of the bellichicken clones from patsie land?  Have there been any real successes?  Little joshy got his head handed to him twice.  Patricia and judge both failed equally bad.  Crennel, who is more of a parcells clone, failed.

[Prodigal Syndicate]

34 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Idzik had 19 draft picks in 2 seasons with only Sheldon Richardson Brian Winters having reasonable careers

Here is Mac's draft history:  https://www.jetnation.com/2019/05/21/updated-mike-maccagnan-draft-history/

From 2015-2019 he picked the following "good pro players". Quinnen Williams, Leonard Williams, Brandon Shell, Jordan Jenkins, Jamal Adams, Marcus Maye, Foley Fatuski and I guess Blake Cashman.

So in 6 seasons before JD got here, we got I got one elite player from the draft in Quinnen even though we routinely picked in the top 10 and had one draft with 12 selections.

It hasnt been great the past 2 years, but he inherited a roster that was not bad, it was atrocious. 

And done what with it, exactly?

Still hasn't produced a season with a better record than that atrocious roster he inherited produced.

 

[Claymation]

2 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Bueller

But with word the running backs coach is leaving, does anyone know? Also fascinating that winning teams are gutting staffs while the Jets remain mostly as is.

[Matt39]

8 minutes ago, rangerous said:

How about all of the bellichicken clones from patsie land?  Have there been any real successes?  Little joshy got his head handed to him twice.  Patricia and judge both failed equally bad.  Crennel, who is more of a parcells clone, failed.

Caserio recently. Ossenfort was just hired by the Cardinals to be their GM.

Failed HC’s for the most part, but are still getting interviews and have been successful coordinators. 

[Sperm Edwards]

McDermott-era promotions out of Buffalo:

• Daboll, who just earned the #6 draft pick as the Giants' HC
• (end of list)

 

Really the only team in the league that's been pumping out coaching promotions is San Fran. Just since the 2018 season ended: Saleh, LaFleur, McDaniel, Ryans, Bobby Slowik, technically Joe Woods, Rich Scangarello, and Adam Stenavich.

There isn't another team in the league that is anywhere near that level. Plus they're in the AFCCG again this year, as though they lost nobody at all.

[rangerous]

30 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

McDermott-era promotions out of Buffalo:

• Daboll, who just earned the #6 draft pick as the Giants' HC
• (end of list)

 

Really the only team in the league that's been pumping out coaching promotions is San Fran. Just since the 2018 season ended: Saleh, LaFleur, McDaniel, Ryans, Bobby Slowik, technically Joe Woods, Rich Scangarello, and Adam Stenavich.

There isn't another team in the league that is anywhere near that level. Plus they're in the AFCCG again this year, as though they lost nobody at all.

Daddy shanahan did pretty well too.