new offensive line rating

[fantasyland]

where would the new jets line have ranked last year based on last years performance by each ( and avt performance in 2022).  LT SMITH, LG SIMPSON, C TIMMERMAN, RG AVT, RT MOSES.?

[LAD_Brooklyn]

How about someone just quickly check Madden.

[rangerous]

I don’t think there’s any way to tell with any certainty.  They now have a group of talented oline but they’ve yet to play a game together.  We’ll see soon enough after the few practices and then see how they tolerate the injuries.

[bonkertons]

On paper I'd say between the 6-10 range.  Unfortunately you have to factor in injuries, and Smith and AVT both have been prone to miss time.  If you can get a decent swing tackle you should at least end up in the league average range regardless of what happens.  Hopefully we don't spend a 1st rounder on that though...

[jetsons]

4 hours ago, fantasyland said:

where would the new jets line have ranked last year based on last years performance by each ( and avt performance in 2022).  LT SMITH, LG SIMPSON, C TIMMERMAN, RG AVT, RT MOSES.?

They ALL NEED To STAY HEALTHY & Learn to work as an efficient & effective UNIT... The Oline is Never about a singular player alone, it's about singular players who can play Efficiently & Effectively Together As One. 

This Is where Carter Needs To Make his Mark & Quiet all the negative chatter.

[Integrity28]

Timmerman.

[JetsRay]

I hope they still sign Bahktiari for depth

[doitny]

@Fantasy Island is this your alt? if not you got some copyright infringement argument here.,,lol

[Tooooon]

5 hours ago, fantasyland said:

where would the new jets line have ranked last year based on last years performance by each ( and avt performance in 2022).  LT SMITH, LG SIMPSON, C TIMMERMAN, RG AVT, RT MOSES.?

#1 in the universe. You’re welcome.

[RedBeardedSavage]

 

[Warfish]

They'd be ranked 15th divided by the number of angels that can stand on the head of a pin times the number of marbles in that jar over there.

[Jetsfan80]

10 minutes ago, Warfish said:

They'd be ranked 15th divided by the number of angels that can stand on the head of a pin times the number of marbles in that jar over there.

[EM31]

The quality of an offensive line is measured in continuity and depth as much as it is the talents of the individual members.  We have had neither depth nor continuity for as long as I can remember and we have been awful as a result.

No real way to measure how good this new group will be until they send out the same five for more then three or four weeks in a row. Small steps

P.S. Old guys get injured more often and recovery takes longer than it does for younger players.  While we may have to bring in older free agents given the depurate nature of our current O-Line need but the only way to build something for the long run is through the draft.

[bitonti]

I actually do measure offensive lines every week for the last 12 seasons 

All lineup are impossible to judge until after the first Rd of the draft (when another 6-8 starters get drafted and all 32 teams firm up their starters) 

But looking at the cocktail napkin math 

LT Smith - B+ former pro bowl 

LG Simpson - B

C Tippy - B

RG AVT - B

RT Moses - B 

This is a good not great line with zero current pro bowlers and 3 new starters 

Probably in the late teens early 20s and that's being generous 

To be ranked 20 would be a ten slot upgrade. It's hard to improve more than that with no high end premium talent 

[Smashmouth]

6 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Timmerman.

Hes the best 

[extmenace]

7 hours ago, EM31 said:

The quality of an offensive line is measured in continuity and depth as much as it is the talents of the individual members.  We have had neither depth nor continuity for as long as I can remember and we have been awful as a result.

No real way to measure how good this new group will be until they send out the same five for more then three or four weeks in a row. Small steps

P.S. Old guys get injured more often and recovery takes longer than it does for younger players.  While we may have to bring in older free agents given the depurate nature of our current O-Line need but the only way to build something for the long run is through the draft.

Agree, I wasn’t a huge fan of the Simpson signing, but once we got Moses, I liked it a bit more as both of those guys played an entire season together. That’s a bigger deal than people realize.

[extmenace]

7 hours ago, bitonti said:

I actually do measure offensive lines every week for the last 12 seasons 

All lineup are impossible to judge until after the first Rd of the draft (when another 6-8 starters get drafted and all 32 teams firm up their starters) 

But looking at the cocktail napkin math 

LT Smith - B+ former pro bowl 

LG Simpson - B

C Tippy - B

RG AVT - B

RT Moses - B 

This is a good not great line with zero current pro bowlers and 3 new starters 

Probably in the late teens early 20s and that's being generous 

To be ranked 20 would be a ten slot upgrade. It's hard to improve more than that with no high end premium talent 

What’s nice here is that while we probably know that Simpson and Moses have capped ceilings (average to pretty good), Tyron and AVT have the upside to be top 3-5 players at their positions. Tippman looked solid in year 1 and could easily look like a top 1/3rd C too. This is definitely a high upside line. Hoping this training staff can do some things different this year and keep these guys on the field.

[Sonny Werblin]

I'd still draft a LT in the first round (perhaps after a trade back to get a second pick). The Jets need an insurance policy and future player for LT. The same goes for RT, but I think that guy would be Carter Warren, unless Warren has impressed the team enough to convince them that he can be an above average LT in the NFL.

[Warfish]

8 hours ago, bitonti said:

I actually do measure offensive lines every week for the last 12 seasons 

All lineup are impossible to judge until after the first Rd of the draft (when another 6-8 starters get drafted and all 32 teams firm up their starters) 

But looking at the cocktail napkin math 

LT Smith - B+ former pro bowl 

LG Simpson - B

C Tippy - B

RG AVT - B

RT Moses - B 

This is a good not great line with zero current pro bowlers and 3 new starters 

Probably in the late teens early 20s and that's being generous 

To be ranked 20 would be a ten slot upgrade. It's hard to improve more than that with no high end premium talent 

4 new starters AVT has played what, like 6 games the past two years (or so it feels). He is a ‘new’ start too presuming he stays healthy.

[The Crusher]

12 hours ago, JetsRay said:

I hope they still sign Bahktiari for depth

Me too. Great guy to have, lousy guy to need. No brainer at the right price. 

[Sperm Edwards]

13 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

I'd still draft a LT in the first round (perhaps after a trade back to get a second pick). The Jets need an insurance policy and future player for LT. The same goes for RT, but I think that guy would be Carter Warren, unless Warren has impressed the team enough to convince them that he can be an above average LT in the NFL.

Above average would be great but also unnecessary. If Warren is merely an average starting LT that would be plenty enough to put first round and upper level FA resources towards shoring up the team elsewhere.

Right now they just acquired 3 veterans because they’re not convinced he’s not (or not yet) an adequate enough starter anywhere on the line.

The two new tackles only have one year deals so again, to go from there to merely average starting LT, would be plenty. The unfortunate reality is he’s very likely to get opportunities to show it in at minimum of a few more live action games. 🤞

No one doesn’t want an above average LT here, but it’s not a necessity. On >90% of pass plays the difference between average and above average isn’t nearly as significant as people make it out to be. The right QB with smoke targets more than makes up for that disparity, while the wrong one (like we’ve had) exacerbates it.

[maury77]

Based upon this list: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/

I think the Jets would have arguably had a top 10 line. Even the best lines did not have 5 pro bowlers. The best ones generally had 2 studs and the rest was filled with decent to good players. 

If (and its a big if) Smith and AVT stay healthy, both could conceivably be all pro caliber players. Tippman should improve going into his second year and he was already decent. Moses is an above average RT. Simpson is arguably the worst one and even he is decent. 

[slats]

14 hours ago, bonkertons said:

On paper I'd say between the 6-10 range.  Unfortunately you have to factor in injuries, and Smith and AVT both have been prone to miss time.  If you can get a decent swing tackle you should at least end up in the league average range regardless of what happens.  Hopefully we don't spend a 1st rounder on that though...

AVT has experienced both of his season ending injuries out of position at OT. Keeping him at guard should be a priority. If they don’t draft an OT in the first round, I’d expect one over their next couple picks. We’ll have a better idea of what the WR room is going to look like early this week, I suspect. It’s OL and WR that still top the needs list right now. 

[bonkertons]

26 minutes ago, slats said:

AVT has experienced both of his season ending injuries out of position at OT. Keeping him at guard should be a priority. If they don’t draft an OT in the first round, I’d expect one over their next couple picks. We’ll have a better idea of what the WR room is going to look like early this week, I suspect. It’s OL and WR that still top the needs list right now. 

I agree, I keep him at RG no matter what.  Bring in a veteran swing tackle and trust that you can actually develop these young OTs.  I know Mitchell gets dismissed around here but the guy was coming off the blot clot issue, and at the end of the day he shut down Maxx Crosby last year.  That's enough for me to think he must at least have SOME upside.  Aside from that I staple Warren to Smith's hip and let him learn from a legend.  I think it's fair to give him one more year of development before investing a 1st rounder in our LT of the future.  

 

I wouldn't care if the only OL we draft is like a guard in the 4th.  I think that would be a solid enough group for this year, and then you can evaluate your OT situation after the season and decide what needs to be done.

LT: Smith; Warren; vet swing

LG: Simpson; 3rd or 4th rounder

C : Tippmann; McGovern?/otherwise Schweitzer

RG: AVT; Schweitzer

RT: Moses; Mitchell; vet swing

 

For me, that 10th overall is a weapon.  100%.

[bitonti]

2 hours ago, maury77 said:

(and its a big if) Smith and AVT stay healthy, both could conceivably be all pro caliber players

Tyron Smith is no longer an all pro just like how Aaron Rodgers is no longer an MVP 

Yes the best lines not everyone is a pro bowler but the jets have zero pro bowl players 

[Larz]

Max Mitchell played in 14 games and started 7

Xavier Newman played in 7 and started 3 

Billy Turner started 2 games. 
 

The upgrade at OT alone is dramatic.  

[Greensleeves]

16 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Timmerman.

I think I used to play wiffle ball with a Joey Timmerman. 

[static14]

[Claymation]

22 hours ago, fantasyland said:

where would the new jets line have ranked last year based on last years performance by each ( and avt performance in 2022).  LT SMITH, LG SIMPSON, C TIMMERMAN, RG AVT, RT MOSES.?

I don't think they would have ranked high at all, Timmerman is a fat kid who eats paste. So that's a gaping hole right there.

[hmhertz]

I hope we play them a quarter together for the first three exhibition games

for continuity and rest them in the fourth. Newman &  Warren blocked well

in a snow storm

[Dunnie]

When healthy "best in da nation A" .... the remaining 16 games C-.

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[jeremy2020]

On 3/17/2024 at 2:17 PM, fantasyland said:

where would the new jets line have ranked last year based on last years performance by each ( and avt performance in 2022).  LT SMITH, LG SIMPSON, C TIMMERMAN, RG AVT, RT MOSES.?

I found an infographic that has the information you're looking for..

[bitonti]

10 hours ago, Dunnie said:

When healthy "best in da nation A" .... the remaining 16 games C-.

 

Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses over/under games total played? 

22 maybe? (out of 17x2=34) 

Smith's injury issues are well documented but Moses is starting to decline too, missed 3 games last year 

both of these guys have conditions that aren't going to get better - it's more like check in with them any given week to see if they can play (Bakh is like this too) 

[dcJet]

Bottom third preseason ranking I think, but they can easily out perform that for sure.

Three new starters, injury risks, very little depth, coach stinks. 

I could see them improving during the season and making the middle third.  I don't see a repeat 2023 dismal ranking in the 30's.