Eagles got a great deal on Bryce Huff

[mrcoops]

Great contract structure for the Eagles, Huff is extremely affordable for the first 3 years.

I know he probably wanted out to get more playing time, but this one will never not annoy me.  The Jets mismanaged and undervalued him for years.

You just cannot let elite young pass-rushers leave for free.  We're probably not even getting that much-lauded comp pick, due to our heavy level of incoming FA signings.

 

[OilfieldJet]

This will be the last year for a number of strategies and experiments, one of them being the DL rotation. Either it all syncs and works or the entire staff, along with the concepts, get run out of town.

[slats]

The first three years? It’s only a three year contract, with $27M (more than half the total value) hitting the cap after he’s gone. That’s some serious mortgaging. 

[slats]

6 minutes ago, OilfieldJet said:

This will be the last year for a number of strategies and experiments, one of them being the DL rotation. Either it all syncs and works or the entire staff, along with the concepts, get run out of town.

What are you talking about? The defensive line rotation is one of the few things on this team that works extremely well. I expect to see Huff’s pass rush efficiency decrease significantly if the Eagles plan to use him like a starter. 

[mrcoops]

13 minutes ago, slats said:

The first three years? It’s only a three year contract, with $27M (more than half the total value) hitting the cap after he’s gone. That’s some serious mortgaging. 

It's says that dead money hit is only 6.5M for that year though. Not sure what happens to the other $20M (non guaranteed option bonus in the void year?) but, if these figures are accurate, the Eagles got a great deal.

[slats]

1 minute ago, mrcoops said:

It's says that dead money hit is only 6.5M for that year though. Not sure what happens to the other $20M but, if these figures are accurate, the Eagles got a great deal.

If you read the contract notes, Jason is doing some speculating here but, he has option bonuses of $15.5M in 2025 (presumably guaranteed) and another $15.5M in 2026 (if he’s still under this deal) which are spread out with void years creating the $27M hit the year after he leaves. 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

13 minutes ago, slats said:

The first three years? It’s only a three year contract, with $27M (more than half the total value) hitting the cap after he’s gone. That’s some serious mortgaging. 

I actually like the contract.  He’s guaranteed $34M and the Eagles can get rid of him after 3 years with less than $10M in dead money.

First 3 years he counts $8M average per year.  Step ladder up as the cap grows.  

If he proves his worth, they’ll keep him for a 4th year when the cap should be much higher.

[Sperm Edwards]

9 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

It's says that dead money hit is only 6.5M for that year though. Not sure what happens to the other $20M but, if these figures are accurate, the Eagles got a great deal.

@slats is correct.

The $27MM line is for a void year i.e. it's $27MM dead cap (as things stand today) if he's not extended further. 

What you're focusing on is a chart anomaly; absent an extension between now & then, there is no 'cutting' him (whether before or after June 1st) in 2027, since he's not under contract with the Eagles past the 2026 season. 

[slats]

2 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I actually like the contract.  He’s guaranteed $34M and the Eagles can get rid of him after 3 years with less than $10M in dead money.

First 3 years he counts $8M average per year.  Step ladder up as the cap grows.  

If he proves his worth, they’ll keep him for a 4th year when the cap should be much higher.

No.
 
All the guaranteed money pays out in the first two years. So the Eagles could cut him after two years with a cap hit larger (I don’t feel like doing the math) than $15M the following year. If he’s on the team for a the third year, he collects another $15.5M bonus, increasing the dead money after three years to $27M. 

[David Harris]

He's being replaced by a first round pick in Will McDonald.  If McDonald works out then it's a good model, a la, the Ravens to let their expensive FA's walk and replace with an heir apparent.  Big IF but may work. 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

20 minutes ago, slats said:

No.
 
All the guaranteed money pays out in the first two years. So the Eagles could cut him after two years with a cap hit larger (I don’t feel like doing the math) than $15M the following year. If he’s on the team for a the third year, he collects another $15.5M bonus, increasing the dead money after three years to $27M. 

I respectfully disagree.

As Jason notes in his assumptions, $15.635M is in the way of an option in 2027.  If you add a 2027 salary, this is the remaining amount above the guaranteed $34M that gets the contract up to $51M.

The first 3 years is a guaranteed $34M with $24M charges to the cap.  If he is released before the 2027 options kick in (and salary), the the Eages will have an accelerated cap hit of the remaining $10M.  That’s exactly what Jason notes in the dead cap column with the rest being savings.

In 2027 there should be a $14.635 million option and a $1 million bonus that may or may not be part of the option. There are multiple void years for salary cap purposes. We will update the numbers if we can confirm  the contract.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

34 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

It's says that dead money hit is only 6.5M for that year though. Not sure what happens to the other $20M (non guaranteed option bonus in the void year?) but, if these figures are accurate, the Eagles got a great deal.

You have to add the other $3M+ in dead money the next year.  Dummy years accelerate in the year Huff leaves.  

So it’s a total of just under $10M in dead money after 3 years.

You are correct that the $27M cap charge never fully kicks in if they release him before the 2027 options; hence the $17M+ in total savings (noted in the 2027 & 2028 columns) should he be released.  

 

[slats]

26 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I respectfully disagree.

As Jason notes in his assumptions, $15.635M is in the way of an option in 2027.  If you add a 2027 salary, this is the remaining amount above the guaranteed $34M that gets the contract up to $51M.

The first 3 years is a guaranteed $34M with $24M charges to the cap.  If he is released before the 2027 options kick in (and salary)c the the Eages will have an accelerate cap hit of the remaining $10M.  That’s exactly what Jason notes in the dead cap column with the rest being savings.

In 2027 there should be a $14.635 million option and a $1 million bonus that may or may not be part of the option. There are multiple void years for salary cap purposes. We will update the numbers if we can confirm  the contract.

I’m sorry, but this is wrong. 
 
Year one: $15.6M signing bonus + $1.1M salary 

Year two: $15.6M option bonus (guaranteed) + $1.1M salary

End of two years: $34M guaranteed paid out, but only $11.8M against the cap, leaving a $22M dead money balance if he’s cut after two years. 
 
Year three: $15.5M bonus (if he’s still with the team) + $1.2M salary. 
 
If he’s on the team the full three years, he collects $51M and has a dead money hit of $27.5M the following year. 

[Sperm Edwards]

18 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I respectfully disagree.

As Jason notes in his assumptions, $15.635M is in the way of an option in 2027.  If you add a 2027 salary, this is the remaining amount above the guaranteed $34M that gets the contract up to $51M.

The first 3 years is a guaranteed $34M with $24M charges to the cap.  If he is released before the 2027 options kick in (and salary), the the Eages will have an accelerated cap hit of the remaining $10M.  That’s exactly what Jason notes in the dead cap column with the rest being savings.

In 2027 there should be a $14.635 million option and a $1 million bonus that may or may not be part of the option. There are multiple void years for salary cap purposes. We will update the numbers if we can confirm  the contract.

Well that would be 4 years $51MM ($12.75MM/year), not 3 years $51MM ($17MM/year) as it's been reported everywhere.

If there's a 4th season at $17MM ($16MM in bonuses plus a $1MM base salary) that'd be 4 years $68MM (still at $17MM per).

Something is not right. Either OTC's assumptions, a misreading of his assumptions, or all the reporting to date that says he signed a 3 year deal that maxes out at $51MM. Both versions can't be right, because he's not playing a 4th season for free.

[Larz]

So you guys know that this wasn’t about money, right?

He wanted to start and play all 3 downs 

Salehs entire philosophy is rotate the front and try to kill the QB every play. 
 

 

[Sperm Edwards]

Just now, Larz said:

So you guys know that this wasn’t about money, right?

He wanted to start and play all 3 downs 

Salehs entire philosophy is rotate the front and try to kill the QB every play. 
 

 

It's been said a zillion times. Doesn't matter to some that he outright said it to a reporter that he wanted out of this D system. 

Whether Saleh is right or wrong here philosophically is irrelevant. This is between the GM and the player (player's agent). JD can't promise him a starting/full time job because it's not his to offer. Not unless he cut & traded every other talented & half-talented edge rusher off the roster before Huff came to terms with Philadelphia.

[LionelRichie]

Huff is a good player and great story as an UDFA who developed into a legit pass rusher.   Time will tell if he can hold up as an every down player over a full season.  I'm sure the NYJ wanted to keep him but this is what happens when you whiff at #2 overall and just about every OL move since Brick retired.    

[Jetsfan80]

44 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

It's been said a zillion times. Doesn't matter to some that he outright said it to a reporter that he wanted out of this D system. 

Whether Saleh is right or wrong here philosophically is irrelevant. This is between the GM and the player (player's agent). JD can't promise him a starting/full time job because it's not his to offer. Not unless he cut & traded every other talented & half-talented edge rusher off the roster before Huff came to terms with Philadelphia.

Right.  Which is why Douglas should have been looking to move him as soon as Rodgers went down rather than waiting on a comp pick that may not come (and he might not get to use, anyways). 

That was the true mistake here, since re-signing him was never a realistic option.

[bicketybam]

19 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Right.  Which is why Douglas should have been looking to move him as soon as Rodgers went down rather than waiting on a comp pick that may not come (and he might not get to use, anyways). 

That was the true mistake here, since re-signing him was never a realistic option.

Huff didn't get his first sack until the Denver game. I'm not sure what Douglas could have got for him after the Bills game when Rodgers went down.

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, LionelRichie said:

Huff is a good player and great story as an UDFA who developed into a legit pass rusher.   Time will tell if he can hold up as an every down player over a full season.  I'm sure the NYJ wanted to keep him but this is what happens when you whiff at #2 overall and just about every OL move since Brick retired.    

You didn't like Ryan Clady?

[Flashlite80]

1 hour ago, OilfieldJet said:

This will be the last year for a number of strategies and experiments, one of them being the DL rotation. Either it all syncs and works or the entire staff, along with the concepts, get run out of town.

How the cap hits is a game every team plays.  More than Half the hit is in the year after the contract ends.  We did the same thing with Rodgers, only number twice as large.

Huff was an elite situational pass rusher.  There is no question about that.  He is being paid as an elite 3 down defensive end.  His performance against the run is well below average.  If he plays 3 downs, he will not be able to sustain that lightning speed into the second half.  All teams will do is run at him early and take the starch out him.

Bet the Eagles use him just like we did.  they will just overpay him for that elite pass rush.  If the Jets paid him that, the offense would be in shambles and Rodgers wouldn't last 3 weeks.

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, Larz said:

So you guys know that this wasn’t about money, right?

He wanted to start and play all 3 downs 

Salehs entire philosophy is rotate the front and try to kill the QB every play. 
 

 

Um, ...  pretty sure the main reason he wanted to start and play all 3 downs so that he could make more money!

[Flashlite80]

Let's hope JD's incompetence doesn't cost us any more elite talent.  Garrett, Breece and Sauce need to get paid soon and the cap has a $50MM bomb in 2025.  The damage JD has done is just beginning to be fully felt.  Unless they draft really well, dark times are ahead.  Let's hope Rodgers brings us to a deep playoff run.  If he gets hurt again, this will go down as the worst GM tenure in NFL history.

[mrcoops]

8 minutes ago, Flashlite80 said:

How the cap hits is a game every team plays.  More than Half the hit is in the year after the contract ends.  We did the same thing with Rodgers, only number twice as large.

Huff was an elite situational pass rusher.  There is no question about that.  He is being paid as an elite 3 down defensive end.  His performance against the run is well below average.  If he plays 3 downs, he will not be able to sustain that lightning speed into the second half.  All teams will do is run at him early and take the starch out him.

Bet the Eagles use him just like we did.  they will just overpay him for that elite pass rush.  If the Jets paid him that, the offense would be in shambles and Rodgers wouldn't last 3 weeks.

On the other hand, Huff's APY is a little above that of John-Franklin Myers, a solid player but one who is not elite at anything.

[kmnj]

eagles had a great offseason and it is comical to compare them with the others in their divsion

dak 54 million cap hit

d jones 47 mill cap hit

Eagles cap hits-about 55 million in total  for the below

 J Hurts 13 million

AJ brown 12 million

Barkley 4 million

Goedert 9 million

Sweat 10 million

Elliot 6 million

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Well that would be 4 years $51MM ($12.75MM/year), not 3 years $51MM ($17MM/year) as it's been reported everywhere.

If there's a 4th season at $17MM ($16MM in bonuses plus a $1MM base salary) that'd be 4 years $68MM (still at $17MM per).

Something is not right. Either OTC's assumptions, a misreading of his assumptions, or all the reporting to date that says he signed a 3 year deal that maxes out at $51MM. Both versions can't be right, because he's not playing a 4th season for free.

I agree, I’m confused as hell.  I’m just going off the typical OTC interpretation.

 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

2 hours ago, slats said:

I’m sorry, but this is wrong. 
 
Year one: $15.6M signing bonus + $1.1M salary 

Year two: $15.6M option bonus (guaranteed) + $1.1M salary

End of two years: $34M guaranteed paid out, but only $11.8M against the cap, leaving a $22M dead money balance if he’s cut after two years. 
 
Year three: $15.5M bonus (if he’s still with the team) + $1.2M salary. 
 
If he’s on the team the full three years, he collects $51M and has a dead money hit of $27.5M the following year. 

I’m going off what Jason wrote above.  He has that 3rd bonus as a 2027 option (copied and pasted above), which is typically not guaranteed and is something he is showing as a net savings in his table.

I agree it sure as hell doesn’t match up with $51M over 3 years.  

 

 

[Larz]

57 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Um, ...  pretty sure the main reason he wanted to start and play all 3 downs so that he could make more money!

It’s a direct quote from Huff. 

[Doggin94it]

2 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I actually like the contract.  He’s guaranteed $34M and the Eagles can get rid of him after 3 years with less than $10M in dead money.

First 3 years he counts $8M average per year.  Step ladder up as the cap grows.  

If he proves his worth, they’ll keep him for a 4th year when the cap should be much higher.

 

2 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I respectfully disagree.

As Jason notes in his assumptions, $15.635M is in the way of an option in 2027.  If you add a 2027 salary, this is the remaining amount above the guaranteed $34M that gets the contract up to $51M.

The first 3 years is a guaranteed $34M with $24M charges to the cap.  If he is released before the 2027 options kick in (and salary), the the Eages will have an accelerated cap hit of the remaining $10M.  That’s exactly what Jason notes in the dead cap column with the rest being savings.

In 2027 there should be a $14.635 million option and a $1 million bonus that may or may not be part of the option. There are multiple void years for salary cap purposes. We will update the numbers if we can confirm  the contract.

Sorry, but you're reading that wrong. Look at the running cash flow at the bottom of the page. He's paid 51M over the 3 years of the deal. He then has 3 void years tacked on so that they can spread that cap hit. Unless he's extended before the contract voids, they take a 27M cap hit for him in 2027, when he's a free agent (which provides him obvious and huge leverage when he goes to negotiate that extension, or means he hits FA again as a 29 year old). This is a terrific deal for Huff

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

34 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

 

Sorry, but you're reading that wrong. Look at the running cash flow at the bottom of the page. He's paid 51M over the 3 years of the deal. He then has 3 void years tacked on so that they can spread that cap hit. Unless he's extended before the contract voids, they take a 27M cap hit for him in 2027, when he's a free agent (which provides him obvious and huge leverage when he goes to negotiate that extension, or means he hits FA again as a 29 year old). This is a terrific deal for Huff

I noted something is off above because the numbers don’t add up.  2027 ‘option’ is how you get to $51M, which is after year 3.  So the entire thing is confusing as hell and we should wait till the actual contract comes out ;). 
 

This is from OvertheCap:

The contract values being shown are based on a report by Eliot Shorr-Parks with some adjustments made on our end for the way the Eagles typically structure contracts. Our assumption is that Huff received $34 million fully guaranteed which is made up of a $15.625 million signing bonus, his base salaries in 2025 and 2026, a $15.58 million option bonus in 2026, and guaranteed workouts in the first two contract years. In 2027 there should be a $14.635 million option and a $1 million bonus that may or may not be part of the option. There are multiple void years for salary cap purposes. We will update the numbers if we can confirm  the contract

[Doggin94it]

3 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I noted something is off above because the numbers don’t add up.  2027 ‘option’ is how you get to $51M, which is after year 3.  So the entire thing is confusing as hell and we should wait till the actual contract comes out ;). 
 

This is from OvertheCap:

The contract values being shown are based on a report by Eliot Shorr-Parks with some adjustments made on our end for the way the Eagles typically structure contracts. Our assumption is that Huff received $34 million fully guaranteed which is made up of a $15.625 million signing bonus, his base salaries in 2025 and 2026, a $15.58 million option bonus in 2026, and guaranteed workouts in the first two contract years. In 2027 there should be a $14.635 million option and a $1 million bonus that may or may not be part of the option. There are multiple void years for salary cap purposes. We will update the numbers if we can confirm  the contract

You are looking at the cap number, not the cash number. 2027 isn't an option - it's a void year. that 27M in 2027 isn't "cash paid to Huff in 2027", it's "all of the remaining prorated cap charges that were deferred in 2024, 2025, and 2026"

That last paragraph has an error; the full guarantee is his base salaries in 2024 and 2025 and the option bonuses are in 2025 and 2026. They just shifted the years by one by mistake

[OilfieldJet]

7 hours ago, slats said:

What are you talking about? The defensive line rotation is one of the few things on this team that works extremely well. I expect to see Huff’s pass rush efficiency decrease significantly if the Eagles plan to use him like a starter. 

Easy to stock the DL with good players and rotate. What happens to the other positions? Enjoy the fresh legs on the DL while the offense suffers. Let’s see how Huff does as a 3 down starter and I take issue with “extremely well”.

[slats]

22 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

You are looking at the cap number, not the cash number. 2027 isn't an option - it's a void year. that 27M in 2027 isn't "cash paid to Huff in 2027", it's "all of the remaining prorated cap charges that were deferred in 2024, 2025, and 2026"

That last paragraph has an error; the full guarantee is his base salaries in 2024 and 2025 and the option bonuses are in 2025 and 2026. They just shifted the years by one by mistake

Exactly. 
 
From Huff’s POV, it’s easy. He gets $17M, guaranteed, for two years. If he’s still under contract, he’ll get another $17M the third year. Cut and dried. It only gets “confusing” because of the staggered void years and OTC’s error in their notes. 
 
Bottom line, he pockets $34M guaranteed over two years, and $51M if he lasts three years. If that happens, the Eagles will still “owe” $27M for cap purposes the following year. It’s not a bad contract at all for the Eagles, who are looking to extend a championship possibility window (and maybe a couple jobs). A team that’s won nothing but has a heavy future burden with Rodgers’ contract on the horizon? Not quite as smart. 

[doitny]

6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Right.  Which is why Douglas should have been looking to move him as soon as Rodgers went down rather than waiting on a comp pick that may not come (and he might not get to use, anyways). 

That was the true mistake here, since re-signing him was never a realistic option.

true but we were 4-3 at the trade deadline. maybe they thought they could make the playoffs. 

[bealeb319]

If our defensive line is good without him who cares. If it turns out he can't handle a large workload no one will care. Maybe he really breaks out I hope he does but if he isn't elite they overpaid for him and those last two years will hurt them.