Offensive Tackle at 10 a Huge Risk for Jets and Joe Douglas

[JetNation]

When Joe Douglas and the Jets are on the clock with their first pick in the upcoming NFL draft, they’ll have plenty of flexibility due to the recent additions of wide receiver Mike Williams and offensive tackles Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses.

Taking an offensive tackle looked to be the most likely route Joe Douglas would pursue on draft day with wide receiver sitting at a distant second.  But now such a move would present a tremendous risk.

Can the Jets afford to repeat what they did in 2023 and draft a player who may not see more than a few snaps all season?  And can they do so with several veteran tackles still available to back up the likes of Moses and Smith?

JetNation radio asked that question and brought in Scott Mason of Play Like a Jet to chime in with his opinion.

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[Alka]

2 hours ago, JetNation said:

When Joe Douglas and the Jets are on the clock with their first pick in the upcoming NFL draft, they’ll have plenty of flexibility due to the recent additions of wide receiver Mike Williams and offensive tackles Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses.

Taking an offensive tackle looked to be the most likely route Joe Douglas would pursue on draft day with wide receiver sitting at a distant second.  But now such a move would present a tremendous risk.

Can the Jets afford to repeat what they did in 2023 and draft a player who may not see more than a few snaps all season?  And can they do so with several veteran tackles still available to back up the likes of Moses and Smith?

JetNation radio asked that question and brought in Scott Mason of Play Like a Jet to chime in with his opinion.

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The risk for Joe Douglas is by not drafting a tackle with the #10 pick.  For example, last year, the Jets started 6 different players at right guard, and 5 different players at right tackle.  That is 11 different players for only 2 spots on the offensive line.

Try to think about that for awhile, and then tell me what the risk is by not drafting an offensive lineman this year, and think about the fact that neither of the tackles we got in free agency this year played in all the games last year.  Then think about the backups for the 2 tackles.  Max Mitchell, who looked outright bad at tackle this past year, and Warren, who started the year on Injured Reserve, and didn't play on the offensive line until week #11.  After that, he missed 2 weeks due to a hip injury in weeks 14 and 15, not coming back to the lineup until week #16.   Continue to think about all of this, and tell me that when we have injuries to the O line this year, that we will have the right players to insert to protect Aaron Rodgers.

[jbt]

Max Mitchell playing LT is a huge risk

[Gaffneycatch81]

Take the best lineman, WR or TE available at 10. If that player happens to be a tackle, let him compete with Moses for RT, and the loser of that competition becomes next man up, with Warren and Mitchell after that. If that player is not a tackle, sign Baktiari (or another vet) to add depth to the line. Would that solve all problems if we have another year of injuries like last year? No, but you gotta assume last year was an outlier, and that we need decent depth on oline, but not top 10 draft pick level back ups. Ideally, you want the number 10 pick to PLAY. So get a playmaker, or a tackle if he’s rated higher, but stop all the “we must take an o lineman or we’re going to have a repeat of last year” stuff. They’re rolling the dice on health with all their free agents anyway. This team still needs to try to upgrade their starting offensive lineup with the number 10 pick.

[Darnold's Forehead]

I have flip-flopped a lot on this decision but do think OT or trade back @10 is the best move.  WR 3/4 can come later in the draft.

[Larz]

9 minutes ago, jbt said:

Max Mitchell playing LT is a huge risk

I don’t think he makes the team this year. Warren is the likely game day backup and they will bring in the usual 5 guys between now and august 

[varjet]

In a win now year it obviously is very frustrating to draft a player at 10 who does not play.  Last year, McD was clearly up there in lowest playing time for a first round draft pick, at 15.  We don’t want to do that, nor can we can afford it.

Although theoretically possible a drafted T does not play in 2024, I think it’s highly unlikely.  It does put a premium on someone who can play across the line, like Fantanu.  

The question then becomes whether a WR drafted after the top 3 will contribute in 2024.  Or Bowers. 

This is why they pay scouts the big money.  The barely rotated McD in last year.   For this year, the pick at 10 gotta play when called.  What is the over/under on games played by Smith?  or AVT?  

[HighPitch]

everyone here is absolutely enamored with warren. why? 

[HighPitch]

14 hours ago, varjet said:

In a win now year it obviously is very frustrating to draft a player at 10 who does not play.  Last year, McD was clearly up there in lowest playing time for a first round draft pick, at 15.  We don’t want to do that, nor can we can afford it.

Although theoretically possible a drafted T does not play in 2024, I think it’s highly unlikely.  It does put a premium on someone who can play across the line, like Fantanu.  

The question then becomes whether a WR drafted after the top 3 will contribute in 2024.  Or Bowers. 

This is why they pay scouts the big money.  The barely rotated McD in last year.   For this year, the pick at 10 gotta play when called.  What is the over/under on games played by Smith?  or AVT?  

good point. idk what to make of the "rotation" philosophy. on one hand, i have to admit that rotations have kept guys relatively healthy and there was production. on the other hand, a first rounder, no matter how good, barely gets to play.

 

I am OK with a WR. I am sort of OK with Bowers as well but dont see him being used right. I am OK with an OT as well. I think the smart move is to draft an OT and let them compete. whoever is best starts. that means either the rookie starts and the old man free agent backs the rookie up or the old man rookie starts and the new kid replaces him when the inevitable injury happens.

I will say though as far as immediate impact goes the WR choice is best imo

But the smartest move, no matter how unpopular, is a QB if one falls. People on this site are absolutely in denial regarding this dudes age and he is coming off an injury. we better pray that tyrod is about to have the season of his life

[The Crusher]

Joe Douglas drafting any position at any time is a huge risk. But, he’s like the fingerless kid playing pin the tail on the donkey at a birthday party when it comes to drafting QB’s and OT’s. 

[Jet Nut]

In which season will it be OK to draft and develop a DE?  
How about a T?  
 

[#27TheDominator]

5 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Joe Douglas drafting any position at any time is a huge risk. But, he’s like the fingerless kid playing pin the tail on the donkey at a birthday party when it comes to drafting QB’s and OT’s. 

Tommy can you hear me? 

[bonkertons]

15 hours ago, Alka said:

The risk for Joe Douglas is by not drafting a tackle with the #10 pick.  For example, last year, the Jets started 6 different players at right guard, and 5 different players at right tackle.  That is 11 different players for only 2 spots on the offensive line.

Try to think about that for awhile, and then tell me what the risk is by not drafting an offensive lineman this year, and think about the fact that neither of the tackles we got in free agency this year played in all the games last year.  Then think about the backups for the 2 tackles.  Max Mitchell, who looked outright bad at tackle this past year, and Warren, who started the year on Injured Reserve, and didn't play on the offensive line until week #11.  After that, he missed 2 weeks due to a hip injury in weeks 14 and 15, not coming back to the lineup until week #16.   Continue to think about all of this, and tell me that when we have injuries to the O line this year, that we will have the right players to insert to protect Aaron Rodgers.

I'm not sure why some can't separate depth from top-10 draft picks.  If you want to add a depth tackle, that's fine.  Go ahead, sign one.  I'm sure they won't be that expensive.  You can draft a depth guard in the 4th as well.  These should all be easy moves and all of them help shape the depth of this team.

 

But yes, watching Bowers and BTJ make an immediate impact around the league while our top-10 pick is holding a clipboard WILL be a bad look.  Even if we all know that in 10 weeks he'll be on the field.  The only guy who looks like a lock to miss time at some point is Smith.  I wouldn't even put AVT in that category, since both times he's been injured has been after getting bounced to OT, which shouldn't happen this year.  Moses missed 3 games last year but aside from that has been an ironman. 

 

Sign a cheap vet OT.  Draft Bowers in the 1st.  Draft a guard in the 3rd or 4th.  Done, easy.  

[The Crusher]

10 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Tommy can you hear me? 

Woody on draft day! 
 

 

[Augustiniak]

6 minutes ago, bonkertons said:

I'm not sure why some can't separate depth from top-10 draft picks.  If you want to add a depth tackle, that's fine.  Go ahead, sign one.  I'm sure they won't be that expensive.  You can draft a depth guard in the 4th as well.  These should all be easy moves and all of them help shape the depth of this team.

 

But yes, watching Bowers and BTJ make an immediate impact around the league while our top-10 pick is holding a clipboard WILL be a bad look.  Even if we all know that in 10 weeks he'll be on the field.  The only guy who looks like a lock to miss time at some point is Smith.  I wouldn't even put AVT in that category, since both times he's been injured has been after getting bounced to OT, which shouldn't happen this year.  Moses missed 3 games last year but aside from that has been an ironman. 

 

Sign a cheap vet OT.  Draft Bowers in the 1st.  Draft a guard in the 3rd or 4th.  Done, easy.  

If jd drafts a tackle and doesn’t play, that would be 2 yrs in a row his 1st round rookie sits.  Either play him or take another position. 

[#27TheDominator]

15 hours ago, Darnold's Forehead said:

I have flip-flopped a lot on this decision but do think OT or trade back @10 is the best move.  WR 3/4 can come later in the draft.

Making that decision when you don't know if Alt, Nabers or Odunze falls to 10 is extremely premature.  If MHJ falls it is flat our wrong.  Though I guess the answer is that those guys would not be WR 3/4.

[bonkertons]

10 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

If jd drafts a tackle and doesn’t play, that would be 2 yrs in a row his 1st round rookie sits.  Either play him or take another position. 

His only shot of playing out of the gate would be if it's Fautanu and he beats out Simpson at LG.  Considering Simpson was brought in to be the starter and not compete for a job, that probably wouldn't be the best look either.  

[#27TheDominator]

11 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

If jd drafts a tackle and doesn’t play, that would be 2 yrs in a row his 1st round rookie sits.  Either play him or take another position. 

If they draft O line at 10 and he can't push Simpson or Moses he did pick the wrong guy.

[Jets723]

You could never have enough oline depth especially when two of your big OL FA are on a 1 year deal.  Look I get that OL in Round 1 is t a “sexy” pick but k owing our injury history it’s important. Jets have option in the draft.  They can stay at 10 or slide back and stiil get a tackle 

[DJF71]

Well JD traded for an injured Moses.  They better draft a RT or if a LT falls. 

[RoadFan]

The bigger risk is not doing everything possible to protect a prickly 40 y.o. QB for 17 games… hopefully more

[Augustiniak]

31 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

If they draft O line at 10 and he can't push Simpson or Moses he did pick the wrong guy.

They’re not benching the guys they just signed.  But if they did go OL and went fatanu i would understand, i believe he’s the LT here.  The problem isn’t the talent level of the pick, it’s the use of the pick given who they’ve signed.  

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

1 hour ago, bonkertons said:

I'm not sure why some can't separate depth from top-10 draft picks.  If you want to add a depth tackle, that's fine.  Go ahead, sign one.  I'm sure they won't be that expensive.  You can draft a depth guard in the 4th as well.  These should all be easy moves and all of them help shape the depth of this team.

But yes, watching Bowers and BTJ make an immediate impact around the league while our top-10 pick is holding a clipboard WILL be a bad look.

They can trade back and still get a high-level prospect like Fuaga or Fautanu plus additional 2nd round ammo for a WR.

Despite what the pundits think, Bowers and BTJ aren’t a lock to do jack.

Kyle Pitts was a better prospect than Bowers.  He hasn’t been worth the pick ATL invested in him.

Bowers already has a history of nagging injury in college — high ankle, now a hamstring working out on his own — do you think he’s gonna be more or less durable in the pros taking on more hits and bigger hits?

Bowers isn’t exactly a lock to even be healthy enough to play much less make an immediate impact once he gets on the field.

[#27TheDominator]

45 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

They’re not benching the guys they just signed.  But if they did go OL and went fatanu i would understand, i believe he’s the LT here.  The problem isn’t the talent level of the pick, it’s the use of the pick given who they’ve signed.  

I think this is the wrong way to look at it.  You don't fill a team up with whatever mid-level JAGs and over the hill vets you can find and say that you can't improve at that position.  We got Morgan Moses, well that's that?  **** that.  If they can draft a guy that is going to be a big upgrade swing the ******* bat.  Moses cost a pick swap in the 4th and a compensatory 6th.  The value chart has the total at a 5th for a guy on an unguaranteed $5M deal.  That is not an investment you fear replacing with a top tier rookie.  They are into Simpson for $6M, but still, this is not exactly replacing Orlando Pace.  I admit that the upgrade from an offensive lineman to Moses or Simpson probably isn't as great as from Odunze etc to Lazard or whoever our #3 is, but these guys are not guys you worry about upgrading.

[Augustiniak]

Just now, #27TheDominator said:

I think this is the wrong way to look at it.  You don't fill a team up with whatever mid-level JAGs and over the hill vets you can find and say that you can't improve at that position.  We got Morgan Moses, well that's that?  **** that.  If they can draft a guy that is going to be a big upgrade swing the ******* bat.  Moses cost a pick swap in the 4th and a compensatory 6th.  The value chart has the total at a 5th for a guy on an unguaranteed $5M deal.  That is not an investment you fear replacing with a top tier rookie.  They are into Simpson for $6M, but still, this is not exactly replacing Orlando Pace.  I admit that the upgrade from an offensive lineman to Moses or Simpson probably isn't as great as from Odunze etc to Lazard or whoever our #3 is, but these guys are not guys you worry about upgrading.

I think they can take a tackle in round 3 and develop that guy.  I’m not saying avoid tackle but i don’t think you need to use the 10 pick on a tackle. If they go OL in round 1 i would prefer they trade back and get a 2nd, so they can go wr in round 2. 

[FootballLove]

The NY Jets who have not sniffed the playoffs in over 300 years, find themselves with one of the top NFL rosters on both sides of the ball. BUT, the window for this team is very, very narrow. A season or two at best.

It's now or never.

Jets are all in. They will push all their chips to the middle of the table.

However, the job of the GM is to be all in, while also being all in on team for the next 5 seasons. Even if Joe goes all in on this season using our first few draft picks, at some point he has to slam on the breaks and draft/plan for next year and the years after.

But where is that point where he shifts from 'now' to 'future'? 3rd round? 4th? 5th maybe? Does being on the hotseat change anything?

[#27TheDominator]

5 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

I think they can take a tackle in round 3 and develop that guy.  I’m not saying avoid tackle but i don’t think you need to use the 10 pick on a tackle. If they go OL in round 1 i would prefer they trade back and get a 2nd, so they can go wr in round 2. 

The whole point of this free agent period is to make it so that they don't NEED anything.  I would prefer a trade back too.  Something like Fuaga and Leggette would be awesome, but I want the best player. It would be nice if they were able to identify him.  Even if it's Dallas Turner.

[#27TheDominator]

7 minutes ago, FootballLove said:

The NY Jets who have not sniffed the playoffs in over 300 years, find themselves with one of the top NFL rosters on both sides of the ball. BUT, the window for this team is very, very narrow. A season or two at best.

It's now or never.

Jets are all in. They will push all their chips to the middle of the table.

However, the job of the GM is to be all in, while also being all in on team for the next 5 seasons. Even if Joe goes all in on this season using our first few draft picks, at some point he has to slam on the breaks and draft/plan for next year and the years after.

But where is that point where he shifts from 'now' to 'future'? 3rd round? 4th? 5th maybe? Does being on the hotseat change anything?

[Morrissey]

2 hours ago, HighPitch said:

everyone here is absolutely enamored with warren. why? 

same people were enamored with Max Mitchell a year ago lol

[Morrissey]

2 hours ago, bonkertons said:

I'm not sure why some can't separate depth from top-10 draft picks.  If you want to add a depth tackle, that's fine.  Go ahead, sign one.  I'm sure they won't be that expensive.  You can draft a depth guard in the 4th as well.  These should all be easy moves and all of them help shape the depth of this team.

 

But yes, watching Bowers and BTJ make an immediate impact around the league while our top-10 pick is holding a clipboard WILL be a bad look.  Even if we all know that in 10 weeks he'll be on the field.  The only guy who looks like a lock to miss time at some point is Smith.  I wouldn't even put AVT in that category, since both times he's been injured has been after getting bounced to OT, which shouldn't happen this year.  Moses missed 3 games last year but aside from that has been an ironman. 

 

Sign a cheap vet OT.  Draft Bowers in the 1st.  Draft a guard in the 3rd or 4th.  Done, easy.  

because we have 2 aging tackles who are free agents after this season. the tackle we take at 10 is going to play this year and after 2024 guess what we have one of their replacements already. it's also worth noting AVT has only played in a handful of games the last 2 years because of injuries. the risks we have on our OL makes it absolutely a priority to have a starting caliber player to step in either at tackle or guard.  why is it so hard for some of your to have foresight? football is played on the field not on paper. going all in on Aaron Rodgers means f--ck all if you can't block for him. It's like you people slept through this past season. Nothing matters more than our OL.

[extmenace]

20 hours ago, JetNation said:

When Joe Douglas and the Jets are on the clock with their first pick in the upcoming NFL draft, they’ll have plenty of flexibility due to the recent additions of wide receiver Mike Williams and offensive tackles Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses.

Taking an offensive tackle looked to be the most likely route Joe Douglas would pursue on draft day with wide receiver sitting at a distant second.  But now such a move would present a tremendous risk.

Can the Jets afford to repeat what they did in 2023 and draft a player who may not see more than a few snaps all season?  And can they do so with several veteran tackles still available to back up the likes of Moses and Smith?

JetNation radio asked that question and brought in Scott Mason of Play Like a Jet to chime in with his opinion.

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Assuming they don’t sign some high end back ups, they most certainly can draft OL. The jets had 9 offensive lineman play at least two different positions last year. I can’t recall the exact number, but the jets had absurd amount of offensive line configurations last year. The most in the league. This team should know more than any team that a good back up OLmen will play. Just because that first rounder isn’t taking the first snap of the season doesn’t mean they won’t play, they can’t fill in as needed, or start multiple games when someone eventually goes down. I like that this team can go a few different ways, if the best player available is OL, take him. He’ll help this year, and will likely allow us to move on from someone on the 2024 roster and have a starter ready to go with a years worth of pro experience in 2025.

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, extmenace said:

Assuming they don’t sign some high end back ups, they most certainly can draft OL. The jets had 9 offensive lineman play at least two different positions last year. I can’t recall the exact number, but the jets had absurd amount of offensive line configurations last year. The most in the league. This team should know more than any team that a good back up OLmen will play. Just because that first rounder isn’t taking the first snap of the season doesn’t mean they won’t play, they can’t fill in as needed, or start multiple games when someone eventually goes down. I like that this team can go a few different ways, if the best player available is OL, take him. He’ll help this year, and will likely allow us to move on from someone on the 2024 roster and have a starter ready to go with a years worth of pro experience in 2025.

I don’t understand why they can’t go OL in round 3 then.  Why round 1. 

[extmenace]

Just now, Augustiniak said:

I don’t understand why they can’t go OL in round 3 then.  Why round 1. 

Round 1, at least in theory, you’re getting a starting caliber player. In Rd 3, you’re getting a flawed prospect that may or may not be a guy. Could we land a stud in rd 3 that can play immediately, if needed? Sure. Is it likely? No. The goal is to protect Rodgers, without him, this team is toast. 

[Bobby816]

Go sign a guy like Jones that can play OG or OT for cheap as depth where if we want to go playmaker at 10 we still have good backup option for Smith or AVT in that guy.

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, extmenace said:

Round 1, at least in theory, you’re getting a starting caliber player. In Rd 3, you’re getting a flawed prospect that may or may not be a guy. Could we land a stud in rd 3 that can play immediately, if needed? Sure. Is it likely? No. The goal is to protect Rodgers, without him, this team is toast. 

The flawed thinking is that if you load up on OL you’ll protect rodgers.  Teams are going to blitz him, he’s going to get hit regardless and he may even get injured in a non contact way.  So i think if your only way of viewing the pick is, we have to protect rodgers, then it’s flawed.  The reality is that you can only do so much for him, he’s immobile and teams know this and they’re going after him, they’re going to hit him early, late and chase him around.