Mike Martz: Alt vs Fashanu vs Latham

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Cliffs notes:

— Seems to like Latham best.  Can set and anchor well with fat azz and thick hips.  Most fun to watch and “can be as good as he wants to be”.   When he blocks you, you stay blocked.  Needs to work on speed rushers.  That’s where he gets a little nervous.  Can handle everything else.

— Alt lacks punch and power.  Is so tall his azz will always be too high so he struggles to anchor and will at times “get over his skis”. Is obviously well schooled on technique and fundamentals and savvy enough to recover on plays where he “loses” initially.  Doesn’t have that thick powerful base the other guys have.  Still manages to get the job done pretty often.

— Fashanu shows awesome traits in pass pro.  So strong and athletic.  OL coaches will be excited to work with him.  Gets too high in run blocking.  Needs to be coached up in that area but will be a “very good player for somebody”.

 

[neckdemon]

Latham is Becton 2.0

Gonna continually get rekt by guys with some speed 

[Gastineau Lives]

I don’t know why we even bother with this silly charade. We all know that every tackle in college is gonna be awesome and the wall

[The Crusher]

2 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

I don’t know why we even bother with this silly charade. We all know that every tackle in college is gonna be awesome and the wall

Give me ten years of availability and solid play like Brick, then call it a day. 

[Gastineau Lives]

4 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Give me ten years of availability and solid play like Brick, then call it a day. 

Pssst head over to the Odunze bowers thread people are making steak analogies 

[section314]

4 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Give me ten years of availability and solid play like Brick, then call it a day. 

Brick, as great as he is/was, may still be the most underrated, unappreciated Jet ever.

[The Crusher]

10 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Pssst head over to the Odunze bowers thread people are making steak analogies 

Done! 

[The Crusher]

10 minutes ago, section314 said:

Brick, as great as he is/was, may still be the most underrated, unappreciated Jet ever.

Don’t know what you got till it’s gone kind of thing. 

[Integrity28]

16 minutes ago, section314 said:

Brick, as great as he is/was, may still be the most underrated, unappreciated Jet ever.

Jets fans almost 100% of the time find flaws and reasons to complain about the good players they have… and ceaselessly pine over the players that simply never will be anything.

[The Crusher]

10 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Jets fans almost 100% of the time find flaws and reasons to complain about the good players they have… and ceaselessly pine over the players that simply never will be anything.

Brett Ratcliffe just needed moar time and moar weapinz!!

[GKnight83]

7 hours ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Cliffs notes:

— Seems to like Latham best.  Can set and anchor well with fat azz and thick hips.  Most fun to watch and “can be as good as he wants to be”.   When he blocks you, you stay blocked.  Needs to work on speed rushers.  That’s where he gets a little nervous.  Can handle everything else.

— Alt lacks punch and power.  Is so tall his azz will always be too high so he struggles to anchor and will at times “get over his skis”. Is obviously well schooled on technique and fundamentals and savvy enough to recover on plays where he “loses” initially.  Doesn’t have that thick powerful base the other guys have.  Still manages to get the job done pretty often.

— Fashanu shows awesome traits in pass pro.  So strong and athletic.  OL coaches will be excited to work with him.  Gets too high in run blocking.  Needs to be coached up in that area but will be a “very good player for somebody”.

 

Latham - has problems rotating and flipping hips which can translate into issues with LBs and DBs.  He is not good in space.

Alt - the only issue i see with him will be resolved in time.  He needs strength work and improved footwork.

Fautanu - besides being 24 years old. he is slow in recovering from focus on the inside to the outside.  AN issue for an OT in my mind.

IMO I like Guyton better than Latham - I see a lot of Alabama games.  Would take Alt over all others and am concerned Fautanu even makes it to a second contract.

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, GKnight83 said:

Latham - has problems rotating and flipping hips which can translate into issues with LBs and DBs.  He is not good in space.

Alt - the only issue i see with him will be resolved in time.  He needs strength work and improved footwork.

Fautanu - besides being 24 years old. he is slow in recovering from focus on the inside to the outside.  AN issue for an OT in my mind.

IMO I like Guyton better than Latham - I see a lot of Alabama games.  Would take Alt over all others and am concerned Fautanu even makes it to a second contract.

if they want a LT take fashanu and that's that.  idk what you do with him until there's an injury though.  it's a pick for the future.

[Larz]

They are all first round talents and I would be happy with any of them but you need to consider when a guy in the trenches has been “getting away with “ being the biggest guy and a great athlete but needs technical help how he will do in the NFL with everyone else being gigantic and athletic. Alt could be HOF , he could also be vulnerable to bendy ends that get low. 
 

Keeping a wide base seems like something that is teachable but 

 

 

[rangerous]

You can’t teach azz.  I believe these oline guys need to be built down low.  They need to be thick below the waste.  I think maybe a tall guy won’t have great lower body strength.  Alt seems to be well proportioned and a good weight for his height.  Maybe he’ll be really good like brick.  Technique will win over brute strength.

[Morrissey]

Taken Alt, Fashanu, Fautana and Fuaga over Latham

[neckdemon]

32 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

if they want a LT take fashanu and that's that.  idk what you do with him until there's an injury though.  it's a pick for the future.

you develop him. he gets reps and gets accustomed to the nfl. it's not a sexy pick, but it's probably the pick that builds the best foundation for the team and is insurance against the season coming unraveled 

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, neckdemon said:

you develop him. he gets reps and gets accustomed to the nfl. it's not a sexy pick, but it's probably the pick that builds the best foundation for the team and is insurance against the season coming unraveled 

i'm all for it, but it's not a 'win now' pick.  but it may be the best pick for the team. 

[HighPitch]

5 hours ago, neckdemon said:

Latham is Becton 2.0

Gonna continually get rekt by guys with some speed 

This is going to be the call for every fat ol man in every draft for the next decade

[Jetsfan80]

20 minutes ago, rangerous said:

You can’t teach azz.  I believe these oline guys need to be built down low.  

Squats, bruh?

[Greensleeves]

So can we all agree noone know who will be better out of the top several tackles? That's why you don't trade up in an OL rich draft. You don't know how these players will react to adversity, since they probably, up to this point, have never had any. Also, how will they react to the scrutiny of playing in New York? You can only make an educated guess. I would be happy if a top 3 receiver fell to us or if we were able to trade back and pick up the best tackle on the board and recoup a 2nd round pick. 

[Alka]

1 hour ago, section314 said:

Brick, as great as he is/was, may still be the most underrated, unappreciated Jet ever.

And that's why many fans on this board are continually wanting us to draft a wide receiver over a 10-14 year stalwart at left tackle.

An underappreciated position, except when the player at that position sucks, and our QB gets killed, and we can't perform on offense.  

But look how great our wide receivers are!!!!  LOL

[Larz]

17 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

i'm all for it, but it's not a 'win now' pick.  but it may be the best pick for the team. 

“Smith has missed 23 games over the past three seasonswith various injuries. He missed four games with knee, back and neck issues last season, and missed all but four in the 2022 campaign after he tore his hamstring in training camp that year. In fact, Smith hasn't played a full season for the Cowboys since 2015.”

 

 

Moses is recovering from pec surgery. AVT is also recovering from surgery. 
 

Latham played LT in high school and RT and guard at Bama.  
 

If Hall has  holes to run through and Rodgers is upright and not running for his life, Wilson, Williams, Lazard , Gipson and Conklin are enough. 

[TuscanyTile2]

24 minutes ago, Larz said:

“Smith has missed 23 games over the past three seasonswith various injuries. He missed four games with knee, back and neck issues last season, and missed all but four in the 2022 campaign after he tore his hamstring in training camp that year. In fact, Smith hasn't played a full season for the Cowboys since 2015.”

 

 

Moses is recovering from pec surgery. AVT is also recovering from surgery. 
 

Latham played LT in high school and RT and guard at Bama.  
 

If Hall has  holes to run through and Rodgers is upright and not running for his life, Wilson, Williams, Lazard , Gipson and Conklin are enough. 

I feel like WR is more of a "win now" pick because we really only have 2 good ones and one is coming back from a major injury.  If our OL stays healthy then it should be good enough.  The problem is it feels like a pipe dream that our OL will stay healthy.  But it's kind of just a sign that we still have major needs.  It will be very interesting to see what JD does in the draft.  I guess he can go OL at 10 and then hope a good WR falls to us in the 3rd.  Maybe he'll trade up in the 3rd, using one of the extra 4ths?

[TuscanyTile2]

2 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Pssst head over to the Odunze bowers thread people are making steak analogies 

2 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Done! 

Hopefully not "well done" though.  Medium rare, please!

[The Crusher]

24 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Hopefully not "well done" though.  Medium rare, please!

My Dad's house when he's cooking steaks.

 

1. Rare

2. Medium rare

3. Medium 

4. Hamburger

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

2 hours ago, GKnight83 said:

Fautanu - besides being 24 years old. he is slow in recovering from focus on the inside to the outside.  AN issue for an OT in my mind.

It's Fashanu in the video that he breaks down, who is 21.

As far as Fautanu, looks like he's 23 and will turn 24 in October.  I'm no OL guru, but Fautanu looks pretty good to me as well.  Quick feet, athletic, strong enough.

If they do end up with Fautanu, he could potentially displace John Simpson in year 1 and upgrade the LG position.

[NYJCAP2]

I think Latham will end up going earlier than some expect.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

It's striking how much cleaner all these prospects look in pass pro compared to Mekhi Becton 🤣 🤣

Joe Douglas ignored PFF's warning that he had like "70 true pass sets" at Louisville

Bro was drafted at #11 overall off of crazy pancake blocks on small school 5'9 165 lbs DBs 🤣

If Becton were in this draft, where would he go?  Round 2?

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

6 hours ago, Greensleeves said:

So can we all agree noone know who will be better out of the top several tackles? That's why you don't trade up in an OL rich draft. You don't know how these players will react to adversity, since they probably, up to this point, have never had any. Also, how will they react to the scrutiny of playing in New York? You can only make an educated guess. I would be happy if a top 3 receiver fell to us or if we were able to trade back and pick up the best tackle on the board and recoup a 2nd round pick. 

Sort of wonder if Jets might be inclined to shy away from Alt considering their recent experience with a 6'7" LT who also can't bend 🤣

Alt is 6'9".  Might be tough for him at that size to prevent guys from dipping and ripping around the EDGE at the next level.

Who knows, but guessing Titans will pull the trigger on Alt at #7 so that decision will be taken out of Douglas' hands.

 

[neckdemon]

3 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

i'm all for it, but it's not a 'win now' pick.  but it may be the best pick for the team. 

well if we can't win without a rookie tight end then we were never winning anyway

[neckdemon]

3 hours ago, HighPitch said:

This is going to be the call for every fat ol man in every draft for the next decade

i'm just saying.....watch his tape. he looks slow on his feet. carl lawson would wreck him, lol

[GKnight83]

It's Fashanu in the video that he breaks down, who is 21.
As far as Fautanu, looks like he's 23 and will turn 24 in October.  I'm no OL guru, but Fautanu looks pretty good to me as well.  Quick feet, athletic, strong enough.
If they do end up with Fautanu, he could potentially displace John Simpson in year 1 and upgrade the LG position.

I agree he has potential. I’m just not investing a first rounder on him when there are other OTs that will be taken after him that show more potential.


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[Jet_Engine1]

6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Squats, bruh?

RDL better for that. 

 

[Claymation]

9 hours ago, rangerous said:

You can’t teach azz.  I believe these oline guys need to be built down low.  They need to be thick below the waste.  I think maybe a tall guy won’t have great lower body strength.  Alt seems to be well proportioned and a good weight for his height.  Maybe he’ll be really good like brick.  Technique will win over brute strength.

Go to pornhub, they have an entire subchannel dedicated to just that.

[CTJetsFan]

10 hours ago, GKnight83 said:

Latham - has problems rotating and flipping hips which can translate into issues with LBs and DBs.  He is not good in space.

Alt - the only issue i see with him will be resolved in time.  He needs strength work and improved footwork.

Fautanu - besides being 24 years old. he is slow in recovering from focus on the inside to the outside.  AN issue for an OT in my mind.

IMO I like Guyton better than Latham - I see a lot of Alabama games.  Would take Alt over all others and am concerned Fautanu even makes it to a second contract.

Did you mean Fashanu?