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Lazard was an absolute embarrassment last year, a lazy bum who played poorly on his own (i.e. things he should have done regardless of Zach being the QB).

Because the focus is on getting Zach off the team, I feel like Lazard has gotten little comment here this offseason, but he's still a Jet as of now.

Is there a real chance that JD and Saleh (and Rodgers) see HIM as the starting #3 WR this season?  And that they don't see WR as a draft need the way many of us fans do?

Is this another case of "Rodgers fixes it" mentality for the Jets?

And if so, if the JEts think Wilson/Williams/Lazard is more than good enough, how does that change the meta for that #10 pick, if at all?

And a side question, will Cobb be a Jet again in 2024?

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$10 million guaranteed base salary; $18 million dead cap hit if they cut him.  dead cap hit drops to $6.5MM in 2025 when the guaranteed money goes away, so he will get one more year.

agree they should not rely on him, nor make any draft decisions based on his presence.  but not sure it makes so much sense other than making upset fans happy to just cut him now.  he can still be useful player in the right role and he previously had a good rapport with rodgers.

 

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My guess right now would be that he’s platooning in the slot with Gipson, and his snap counts will depend on how well Rogers can resuscitate him. He was not effective outside at all, and I would rather not see Brownlee as the #1 backup behind Wilson and Williams, who probably won’t be ready at the start of camp. 
 
The good news is that the draft is deep at the position. Jets should add one by the third round, I hope, and also there should be a number of veteran WRs available in the mini-draft later this year. 

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6 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

This, combined with the fact that there's probably hope that he'll be less worthless with Rodgers at QB.

You can tell Saleh was fed up with him last season even mentioning, we’re stuck with him for another year basically. So they’ll just try to make it work until he’s able to be cut. 

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39 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Thread title says it all.

Lazard was an absolute embarrassment last year, a lazy bum who played poorly on his own (i.e. things he should have done regardless of Zach being the QB).

Because the focus is on getting Zach off the team, I feel like Lazard has gotten little comment here this offseason, but he's still a Jet as of now.

Is there a real chance that JD and Saleh (and Rodgers) see HIM as the starting #3 WR this season?  And that they don't see WR as a draft need the way many of us fans do?

Is this another case of "Rodgers fixes it" mentality for the Jets?

And if so, if the JEts think Wilson/Williams/Lazard is more than good enough, how does that change the meta for that #10 pick, if at all?

And a side question, will Cobb be a Jet again in 2024?

Hopefully this helps:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/allen-lazard-25483/

 

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Allen Lazard is awful. He should have been cut on the field after escorting and hugging a Buffalo Bill in the end zone last year. I don't care if we pay him $10M to play for another team. I'd happily send a 6th round pick + Lazard to any franchise dumb enough to roster him.

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1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Thread title says it all.

Lazard was an absolute embarrassment last year, a lazy bum who played poorly on his own (i.e. things he should have done regardless of Zach being the QB).

Because the focus is on getting Zach off the team, I feel like Lazard has gotten little comment here this offseason, but he's still a Jet as of now.

Is there a real chance that JD and Saleh (and Rodgers) see HIM as the starting #3 WR this season?  And that they don't see WR as a draft need the way many of us fans do?

Is this another case of "Rodgers fixes it" mentality for the Jets?

And if so, if the JEts think Wilson/Williams/Lazard is more than good enough, how does that change the meta for that #10 pick, if at all?

And a side question, will Cobb be a Jet again in 2024?

isn't his salary guaranteed for this year?

why would this even be a thought at this point.  wierd.

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Post June 1 no cap savings but no dead money either. I don’t think he’s guaranteed a roster spot but he costs them $6m extra against the cap if he’s a pre June 1 cut. If they can’t trade him may as well let him compete in camp. But as a healthy scratch last season it may be an uphill battle.

49 minutes ago, slats said:

My guess right now would be that he’s platooning in the slot with Gipson, and his snap counts will depend on how well Rogers can resuscitate him. He was not effective outside at all, and I would rather not see Brownlee as the #1 backup behind Wilson and Williams, who probably won’t be ready at the start of camp. 
 
The good news is that the draft is deep at the position. Jets should add one by the third round, I hope, and also there should be a number of veteran WRs available in the mini-draft later this year. 

If they can’t get one of the top three in this class I think they should add two. Maybe not both via the draft, though I wouldn’t mind if they did. One draft one FA would be fine too.

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1 hour ago, Doggin94it said:

He's still on the team because there is zero benefit to moving on from him. If you cut him now, you actually cost yourself 6M in cap space from acceleration of bonus prorated into next year. If you cut him after June 1, you have zero dead money, but zero cap savings since all of his money this year is guaranteed. Bottom line, whoever you replace him with costs you Lazard's salary plus whatever the new player's salary is; literally the only reason to cut him would be if you needed his roster spot for someone else. Even if you're only keeping him as your No. 5 WR, you'd save money that way.

Between that and his history with Rodgers, cutting him loose would be incredibly foolish.

IMO the foolish thing is if Lazard ever sees the field this year, or worse, stops JD from selecting a legit WR this draft.

I would have hoped seeing how bad he was last year would have convinced the folks who liked his signing, but I guess not.

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2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

IMO the foolish thing is if Lazard ever sees the field this year, or worse, stops JD from selecting a legit WR this draft.

I would have hoped seeing how bad he was last year would have convinced the folks who liked his signing, but I guess not.

I believe he was brought in here to be more of a TE type, not a true WR. When Davis retired, that all got scrapped. When AR went down, it just got worse. I think that they will use him this year in the role they envisioned for last year, and trust that AR will make him a productive guy. Doubt it will have any bearing on them taking a true WR if they choose to.Not in any way defending the dog he was last year.

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1 hour ago, Larz said:

He’s a good blocker in the big slot and knows how Rodgers likes things. 
 

No doubt he has to get his head together but the jets plan on him playing next year.  

You know we can just say slot

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Pretty much every "insider" has the Jets still angling for a WR in the draft at some point. I strongly doubt Lazard inhibits the team from picking a WR if they like the value. With it seeming unlikely that a top 3 WR is there at 10, it's more likely the Jets take a day 2/3 guy to compete with Lazard for the WR3 spot. As others have said, it sadly just doesn't make monetary sense (or sense with ar8) to cut him.

A more pertinent question to me is whether Lazard and MW influence what type of receiver the Jets draft. After round 1, we may actually get better value looking at slot guys, but I believe Lazard typically plays in the slot and ideally G Wilson does too when MW is on the field. Of course, Lazard has the size to play outside if MW is hurt, so slot depth may still be worthwhile, particularly if coaches don't want to use Gipson there. I think ideally the Jets get a big X guy like Odunze, as he could be a backup/heir to MW, but if the team is ready to move on from Lazard after this year when his guaranteed money goes down they may try to get a value pick in the slot too. G Wilson can play at X or Z so for the long term either is helpful. 

Edit: I can also see Lazard still playing a big red zone role. Rodgers likes him in the red zone and he is a good run blocker when he tries... and Rodgers likes bunch formations there too which Lazard is well suited to.

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