Rough day for Fashanu as Sherwood Shines in Jets Scrimmage

[JetNation]

The Jets held their annual Green and White practice today in front of a packed house that saw rookie tackle Olu Fashanu struggle while linebacker Jamien Sherwood stole the show on defense.

Some rough patches for Olu Fashanu according to those in attendance.

While Fashanu has some positive reps against Jermaine Johnson, he was named by several observers at one point for struggling against Jalyn Holmes and later Johnson who, according to Nick Faria, was “starting to rack up wins” against the young tackle.

Meanwhile, Sherwood was all over the field on defense, picking up several stops while being a factor in pass coverage.  Remember, Sherwood did play safety in college at Auburn before moving to linebacker for the Jets, so his cover skills should be better than your average ‘backer.

One of the more concerning notes on the day was the continued struggles of center Joe Tippmann, who at one point launched a snap over Aaron Rodgers’ head that resulted in a loss of over twenty yards.

Practice ended with players getting fired up as Allen Lazard and Brandin Echols had to be separated after some contested pass attempts.  The final attempt would lead to a fantastic leaping catch from Lazard over Echols.

One player whose name we haven’t heard through camp but we mentioned for JetNation the other day, UDFA WR Hamze El-Zayat got some run with Rodgers under center and made some big catches.

 

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[Larz]

I disagree. Fashanu went against JJ, Holmes and McDonald and Thomas. He held his own.  
 

camp sacks are nonsense. Remember last year when Quinnen had 11 in a practice? 

[Rich Thornburgh]

Warren should backup LT and Fashanu RT they need to switch 

[OilfieldJet]

5 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Warren should backup LT and Fashanu RT they need to switch 

So nice we have that flexibility, if needed.

[Rich Thornburgh]

Just now, OilfieldJet said:

So nice we have that flexibility, if needed.

Agree.  Depth is never a bad thing

[Larz]

For context, faria tweeted how shocked he was that he hit traffic on 95 in Stamford on a Friday afternoon beginning one of the more popular vacation weeks to visit Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire Cape Cod and RI. 
 

 

[Larz]

 

this kid is going to be Brick like. 10 year starter. 
 

Left tackle Olu Fashanu spokeabout learning from veterans Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses, specifically mentioning how they have helped him “load up better in his stance” and have “better hand placement” in the run and passing game.

I feel like a lot of people aren’t blessed to be in that type of position where you have two great tackles in the same room,” Fashanu said. “And, you know, I’ve been making the most out of it, and they’ve been awesome. They’re always right behind me, guiding me on the right path and helping me with any and everything that I need. Just giving me extra advice on how to take my game to the next step. So it’s been great.”

Fashanu also discussed the challenges of facing what he called “the best defense” in the league.

It’s definitely been challenging at times. But you know, I’m taking every rep because at the end of the day, we’re just getting each other better.”

[Bronx]

17 hours ago, JetNation said:

Joe Tippmann, who at one point launched a snap over Aaron Rodgers’ head that resulted in a loss of over twenty yards.

P-I-P-P-Y!  

[BCJet]

23 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Warren should backup LT and Fashanu RT they need to switch 

This is an insane idea.

First off, Warren struggled mightily last year at RT and does not have the athleticism to play LT.

Second, why stunt Olu's growth by having him work on the right side?  Yea, if Moses goes down, he may have to take that spot but at this point his development as a LT is far more important.  On top of that, why stunt Warren's (hopeful) growth by having him learn LT?  Have him and Mitchell focus solely on RT and Olu LT and build the depth that way.

Also - this report is ridiculous.  JJ is by all accounts a good NFL defensive end. He should be beating Olu who is in his 3rd week of NFL football. 

[JKlecko]

On 8/3/2024 at 5:51 PM, OilfieldJet said:

So nice we have that flexibility, if needed.

We really don't have the flexibility.  Warren isn't good enough at LT, and Fashanu hasn't practiced at RT at all.  The Jets said that they are keeping him at LT, so the idea of switching Fashanu and Warren is absurd.

[JKlecko]

13 hours ago, Larz said:

 

this kid is going to be Brick like. 10 year starter. 
 

Left tackle Olu Fashanu spokeabout learning from veterans Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses, specifically mentioning how they have helped him “load up better in his stance” and have “better hand placement” in the run and passing game.

I feel like a lot of people aren’t blessed to be in that type of position where you have two great tackles in the same room,” Fashanu said. “And, you know, I’ve been making the most out of it, and they’ve been awesome. They’re always right behind me, guiding me on the right path and helping me with any and everything that I need. Just giving me extra advice on how to take my game to the next step. So it’s been great.”

Fashanu also discussed the challenges of facing what he called “the best defense” in the league.

It’s definitely been challenging at times. But you know, I’m taking every rep because at the end of the day, we’re just getting each other better.”

Thanks for sharing this article.  I loved what Fashanu, Stiggers, and Allen all said.  Their attitude, their work ethic, and talent will serve the Jets well going forward.

 

[JKlecko]

4 hours ago, BCJet said:

This is an insane idea.

First off, Warren struggled mightily last year at RT and does not have the athleticism to play LT.

Second, why stunt Olu's growth by having him work on the right side?  Yea, if Moses goes down, he may have to take that spot but at this point his development as a LT is far more important.  On top of that, why stunt Warren's (hopeful) growth by having him learn LT?  Have him and Mitchell focus solely on RT and Olu LT and build the depth that way.

Also - this report is ridiculous.  JJ is by all accounts a good NFL defensive end. He should be beating Olu who is in his 3rd week of NFL football. 

Spot on!!!  One of the things that hurt Warren and Mitchell last year was bouncing them from left to right.  JD's and Saleh's handling of the OL last year in general, and OT position specifically, sucked.  It looks like they've learned something this year and are going to keep Fashanu on the left side and Warren and Mitchell on the right side.

[OilfieldJet]

33 minutes ago, JKlecko said:

We really don't have the flexibility.  Warren isn't good enough at LT, and Fashanu hasn't practiced at RT at all.  The Jets said that they are keeping him at LT, so the idea of switching Fashanu and Warren is absurd.

Lighten up Francis, we have the flexibility to make that change if needed.

[JKlecko]

2 hours ago, OilfieldJet said:

Lighten up Francis, we have the flexibility to make that change if needed.

I'm light already, thank you.  IMO we don't have that flexibility.  Fashanu has taken no snaps at RT.  AFAIK, Warren has taken no snaps at LT this year, and he shouldn't because he isn't fast/athletic enough to play LT in the NFL.

[OilfieldJet]

7 hours ago, JKlecko said:

I'm light already, thank you.  IMO we don't have that flexibility.  Fashanu has taken no snaps at RT.  AFAIK, Warren has taken no snaps at LT this year, and he shouldn't because he isn't fast/athletic enough to play LT in the NFL.

I’m contrasting to prior years, we have more, higher quality pieces. If needed it’s doable, not optimal and not absurd.

[Rich Thornburgh]

14 hours ago, BCJet said:

This is an insane idea.

First off, Warren struggled mightily last year at RT and does not have the athleticism to play LT.

Second, why stunt Olu's growth by having him work on the right side?  Yea, if Moses goes down, he may have to take that spot but at this point his development as a LT is far more important.  On top of that, why stunt Warren's (hopeful) growth by having him learn LT?  Have him and Mitchell focus solely on RT and Olu LT and build the depth that way.

Also - this report is ridiculous.  JJ is by all accounts a good NFL defensive end. He should be beating Olu who is in his 3rd week of NFL football. 

Nonsense.  Warren was actually pretty good at LT last season. He’s a finesse pass protector kind of similar to Brick he’s actually better suited to LT than RT. 
 

Olu by all accounts is struggling in camp.  If and when Tyron Smith gets injured he’s going to get Aaron killed if he has to play every down Left Tackle

[rangerous]

shouldn't sherwood doing well be in this discussion?  sounds like he's getting it down.  a jet lb who can cover te's.  what a novelty.

[Bobby816]

1 hour ago, rangerous said:

shouldn't sherwood doing well be in this discussion?  sounds like he's getting it down.  a jet lb who can cover te's.  what a novelty.

Well hopefully we keep him. We have LBs all over the league who we let leave who are very good to even great. 

[JKlecko]

5 hours ago, OilfieldJet said:

I’m contrasting to prior years, we have more, higher quality pieces. If needed it’s doable, not optimal and not absurd.

Yes, we have more higher-quality players.  It IS absurd imo and that of others.  We'll just have to agree to disagree.  IMO if Warren had to play LT when Smith goes down with an injury, Rodgers would be going down with an injury shortly thereafter.  Therefore, the idea is absurd.

[#27TheDominator]

16 hours ago, JKlecko said:

Spot on!!!  One of the things that hurt Warren and Mitchell last year was bouncing them from left to right.  JD's and Saleh's handling of the OL last year in general, and OT position specifically, sucked.  It looks like they've learned something this year and are going to keep Fashanu on the left side and Warren and Mitchell on the right side.

They didn't just bounce them from left to right.  Mitchell played T with Turner at G to close out the game against the Giants.  The following week they kicked Mitchell inside and Turner outside against the Chargers.  That was Tippman's first start inside, but I have no idea why they switched and Turner had his ass handed to him by Bosa.  Maybe they were planning on having somebody else back and based it on practice, but yikes.  Cross training is nice and so is the idea of getting the best 5 on the field, but sometimes when you suck you are best off perfecting what you can.

[bonkertons]

7 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Nonsense.  Warren was actually pretty good at LT last season. He’s a finesse pass protector kind of similar to Brick he’s actually better suited to LT than RT. 
 

Olu by all accounts is struggling in camp.  If and when Tyron Smith gets injured he’s going to get Aaron killed if he has to play every down Left Tackle

He was pretty good last year at LT, but drafting Fashanu sealed his fate.  You think if Smith goes down they're going to play Warren at LT instead of Olu?  There is no chance.  Olu is a natural LT.  Switching him because a backup is a little better at LT than he is at RT would be beyond dumb, and would make Olu a complete waste of a draft pick.  

[JKlecko]

55 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

They didn't just bounce them from left to right.  Mitchell played T with Turner at G to close out the game against the Giants.  The following week they kicked Mitchell inside and Turner outside against the Chargers.  That was Tippman's first start inside, but I have no idea why they switched and Turner had his ass handed to him by Bosa.  Maybe they were planning on having somebody else back and based it on practice, but yikes.  Cross training is nice and so is the idea of getting the best 5 on the field, but sometimes when you suck you are best off perfecting what you can.

When I was speaking about bouncing them, I was referring to training camp last season.  For less gifted, more limited players, I believe that they need to focus on only one position. I think keeping them at the position for which they are best suited is "perfecting what you can." 

The bottom line is that JD totally screwed the pooch on the OL last season.  That should have been his #1 priority in the draft and really only priority after having signed Rodgers, Lazard and the other FAs, especially after all the injury problems the Jets had had on the OL over the previous seasons.  Clearly it wasn't.  He just stuck to his mantra of BPA regardless of position, and Rodgers, the Jets, and their fans paid the price.  He either trusts too much in his coaches or in his own eye for talent, or both.

With regards to the scenario you posted, that would be on Carter and Saleh.  Who knows why they make some of the screwy decisions they do.

[Rich Thornburgh]

7 hours ago, rangerous said:

shouldn't sherwood doing well be in this discussion?  sounds like he's getting it down.  a jet lb who can cover te's.  what a novelty.

He’s like a Anti-Darron Lee