Jets Depth Puts Haason Reddick in Difficult Position

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If Haason Reddick were holding out as a member of the New York Jets just a year or two ago, he’d probably be having much different experience right now.  Rather than sitting and waiting for an offer he likes while missing critical practices, he would likely be signed already.  But things have changed in a hurry for the Jets.

Nov 20, 2023; Kansas City, Missouri, USA; Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes (15) is sacked by Philadelphia Eagles linebacker Haason Reddick (7) during the first half at GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jay Biggerstaff-USA TODAY Sports

Long desperate for somebody who can get to the quarterback, that’s no longer the case for the Jets.  By developing Quinnen Williams, drafting Jermaine Johnson and Will McDonald while adding a bulked up Javon Kinlaw, the Jets don’t look to be feeling any pressure to create pressure.

The team has every right to believe the days of longing for another pass rusher are behind them.  Be it up the middle with Williams or off the edge with Johnson and McDonald.  Jets pass rushers should be able to flourish as a result of having an elite trio of cornerbacks in Sauce Gardner, DJ Reed and Michael Carter.

The idea of a holdout from a player’s perspective is to have your team envision what life will be like without your services and not like what they see.  In the case of Reddick, the Jets probably view themselves as a team that can be a top 10 defense with our without him.  This isn’t to say Reddick won’t add value and get the Jets defense to a whole new level because he will.

However, rather than being the guy they “must have” that he would have been in recent years, Reddick is more icing on the cake that essential cog.

Not wanting to lose out on a chance to be a free agent at the end of this season, Reddick is absolutely going to show up to play this season.  It’s just a matter of when.  And for the Jets, they probably like their chances of winning games even while Reddick sits at home.

 

 

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[Plen T]

The holdout makes no sense on his end 

[Drums]

This might be one of the first holdouts that the player actually loses that I can remember. He’s flushed so much money already and it is pretty clear so far he isn’t cashing in with us. 

[Ghost420]

I'd be surprised if he isnt with the team come week 1 but who knows. 

[The Crusher]

He needs to fire his agent and call his Mom. 

[chirorob]

3 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

He needs to fire his agent and call his Mom. 

He is getting awful advice somewhere.

 

[OilfieldJet]

It doesn’t look good for him right now but things can change quickly in the NFL.

[slimjasi]

We’re still one injury from needing him and are still much better with him than without him 

Obviously not a very effective holdout without an injury though 

[Jetpain]

Hard to believe that him or his agent ever thought Jets were giving him new multi year deal with the big contracts they have coming up for several of the core guys.  Add in that they have 2 number 1 picks already playing the same position.  Maybe he was trying to secure more of his contract in guaranteed money , but it would seem like a lock that he was getting his full contract this year as he wasnt in jeopardy of being waived.  Did he think the jets were just gonna throw him an extra 5-10 mil this year ? why?  I think he's really effed this up because his best opportunity to cash in was with having a solid year this year and becoming a free agent after the season.  Saleh's D line guys rotate so much he wouldnt even get the same wear and tear as his seasons with the Eagles and still have every opportunity to be a double digit sack guy this year.   This hold out could hurt in more ways.   If he comes back and gets injured like most hold outs do, he decreases his playing time and reduces his sack numbers for the year.  When free agency comes around, will teams pay for a player his age then that are coming off an injury riddled year?   This is the type of drama JD has worked hard to keep out of his locker room

[JKlecko]

5 minutes ago, Jetpain said:

Hard to believe that him or his agent ever thought Jets were giving him new multi year deal with the big contracts they have coming up several of the core guys.  Add in that they have 2 number 1 picks already playing the same position.  Maybe he was trying to secure more of his contract in guaranteed money , but it would seem like a lock that he was getting his full contract this year as he wasnt in jeopardy of being waived.  Did he think the jets were just gonna throw him an extra 5-10 mil this year ? why?  I think he's really effed this up because his best opportunity to cash in was with having a solid year this year and becoming a free agent after the season.  Saleh's D line guys rotate so much he wouldnt even get the same wear and tear as his seasons with the Eagles and still have every opportunity to be a double digit sack guy this year.   This hold out could hurt in more way.   If he comes back and gets injured like most hold outs do, he decreases his playing time and reduces his sack numbers for the year.  When free agency comes around, will teams pay for a player his age then that are coming off an injury riddled year?   This is the type of drama JD has worked hard to keep out of his locker room

Excellent post!  Needless to say, I agree.  It seems like he doesn't have much confidence in his level of play. Is he hiding an injury or diminishing ability?  If not, then why wouldn't he show up for OTAs, minicamp, and TC and do a "hold in"?  He could get to know the coaches, work out, show that he was healthy, and begin earning their trust, and getting to know the scheme and other players.  If he had done that, I think the chances are very good that the Jets would have possibly increased his guaranteed money, but even if not, if he went ahead and either played at his old contract, or if the Jets had offered hijm a new deal for this season, and had signed it, then they may have been more likely to sign him to an extension, but even if not, as you stated so well, he would have had a chance to get his double-digit sacks, possibly go to the playoffs, maybe even the SB, and then sign a big contract in FA.  By doing that, I don't think he would have incurred any fines.  As it is, he has already lost almost $2 million, that he's not going to be able to recoup unless the Jets eventually cave and give him a deal for this season that would include enough of an increase to cover his fines.  The more reps that McDonald, Clemons, Watts, McGregor and Taylor get, the more they will learn and improve, and chances are the Jets might start feeling even more comfortable without him.  The only way he wins now is if one of JJ, Clemons and McDonald gets a somewhat serious injury.

[Nixhead]

Reddick is not a Jet. Hasn't practiced with them and probably not hanging with any of them. Also he lied about playing for them with his current contract before the trade. I don't think he ever plays for the Jets. I think the Jets trade him - is that a possibility? Let him work out a contract with another team then trade him away. I think at this point he would sour our locker room anyway. Which player that's been here the whole summer loses out cause Reddick decides to come back to stop the fines? I don't think the current players will like that scenario. Maybe if a humble Reddick shows up this week and starts working hard then maybe it works out but I don't see it happening. Trade him for another pass rusher.

[rangerous]

This is a good thing.  Not that I am against getting paid but he’s got a contract that he needs to live up to.  I suppose the jets can sweeten the deal a bit as in guaranteed cash and maybe even for more years but they would be foolish to offer him more money on an annual basis than his contract currently calls for.

[Green Ghost]

4 minutes ago, Nixhead said:

Reddick is not a Jet. Hasn't practiced with them and probably not hanging with any of them. Also he lied about playing for them with his current contract before the trade. I don't think he ever plays for the Jets. I think the Jets trade him - is that a possibility? Let him work out a contract with another team then trade him away. I think at this point he would sour our locker room anyway. Which player that's been here the whole summer loses out cause Reddick decides to come back to stop the fines? I don't think the current players will like that scenario. Maybe if a humble Reddick shows up this week and starts working hard then maybe it works out but I don't see it happening. Trade him for another pass rusher.

Were you in the room when “he lied and said he’d play for them with his present contract”? 

[Warfish]

JJ and McDonald should be more than good enough to man the starter/most snaps edge/pass-rusher roles for the 2024 Jets.  Especially if they only need to be leaders in a rotation.

Shame this Reddick doesn't want to be playing for a team that looks like it could compete this year, but I guess our front office shoulda sussed that out before we snagged him. 

Go to battle with the players we got.  Next man up.  

 

[Green Ghost]

Did it ever occur to any of you in this thread that this is Reddick’s life and his career? 
He can do with it what he wants. He’s no idiot, he’s already set for life.

[Warfish]

2 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Did it ever occur to any of you in this thread that this is Reddick’s life and his career? 
He can do with it what he wants. He’s no idiot, he’s already set for life.

Of course.

But we are Jets Fans, our loyalty lies with the Jets.

Doesn't it?

[ncjetman]

actually he is acting against his best interests - he needs to play and play big time to get the big time contract he’s looking for next year - yes his current deal is completely non guaranteed and that should be addressed but beyond that he needs to take what he gets and move on next year with the contract he wants - holding out is completely counterproductive- but you know that right?


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[Green Ghost]

As far as how good he is, if he does report, he’s not a rotational guy. He’s an every down player. Don’t compare him to McDonald or any of the other 17%ers.

[Nixhead]

13 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Were you in the room when “he lied and said he’d play for them with his present contract”? 

You know the answer to that question. But I've read enough articles and listened to enough talk to believe that was the case. Were you there and know something different?

[Green Ghost]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Of course.

But we are Jets Fans, our loyalty lies with the Jets.

Doesn't it?

I’ll never knock an NFL player for trying to get every $$$ they can. Especially when they’ve proven their worth.

[Green Ghost]

3 minutes ago, Nixhead said:

You know the answer to that question. But I've read enough articles and listened to enough talk to believe that was the case. Were you there and know something different?

You’re the one calling him a liar, not me. To do it without proof is kinda a bitch move wouldn’t you say?

[Warfish]

3 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

I’ll never knock an NFL player for trying to get every $$$ they can. Especially when they’ve proven their worth.

I'll knock anything and everything that makes us worse on the field, generally.

I save my views on management vs. labor and the struggle of the proletariat for more general discourse, lol.

[Bowles Movement]

10 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Did it ever occur to any of you in this thread that this is Reddick’s life and his career? 
He can do with it what he wants. He’s no idiot, he’s already set for life.

If he wants to retire, this is a good strategy.

If he wants to play football and maximize the value of his next contract, this is a terrible strategy.  
 

As of now, he has already hurt his brand, and a continued hold out will likely impact his performance which will result in fewer offers at less money and years.

[Joe W. Namath]

13-4 w/ him, 13 w/o him.  Hes a nice to have.  If he sits out the season, good.  We get mad street cred that we wont be pushed around in negotiations.

[Bowles Movement]

10 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

As far as how good he is, if he does report, he’s not a rotational guy. He’s an every down player. Don’t compare him to McDonald or any of the other 17%ers.

He won’t play every down for the Jets.   Quinnen only plays about 65 per cent of the snaps.

[Joe W. Namath]

16 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Did it ever occur to any of you in this thread that this is Reddick’s life and his career? 
He can do with it what he wants. He’s no idiot, he’s already set for life.

The green Jets fans are the best is back in this thread.  Good grief…….

[Green Ghost]

9 minutes ago, ncjetman said:

actually he is acting against his best interests - he needs to play and play big time to get the big time contract he’s looking for next year - yes his current deal is completely non guaranteed and that should be addressed but beyond that he needs to take what he gets and move on next year with the contract he wants - holding out is completely counterproductive- but you know that right?


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Did he ask you or me for life advice? I  don’t know about you, but I haven’t heard from him.

Since you’re curious about what I know though, I know this… he’s made a lot more money before age 30 than you will at the very peak of your career. I doubt he needs your (or my) financial advice.

[Green Ghost]

2 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

If he wants to retire, this is a good strategy.

If he wants to play football and maximize the value of his next contract, this is a terrible strategy.  
 

As of now, he has already hurt his brand, and a continued hold out will likely impact his performance which will result in fewer offers at less money and years.

You know this without having an idea how it will play out, or whether he’ll be happy with the result? Amazing.

[Nixhead]

11 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

You’re the one calling him a liar, not me. To do it without proof is kinda a bitch move wouldn’t you say?

Yeah Im sure he's pretty upset with me. 

[Green Ghost]

14 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

The green Jets fans are the best is back in this thread.  Good grief…….

Easy Captain.  I’m one of the few people around these parts who defend you nowadays. 😜

[Green Ghost]

8 minutes ago, Nixhead said:

Yeah Im sure he's pretty upset with me. 

Here’s a little life advice you can choose to listen to or not…. Don’t say stuff about people behind their back you would never say to their face.

Heed that and you’ll have a lot of friends, and also take a lot less punches to the face. 😉

[Green Ghost]

19 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

He won’t play every down for the Jets.   Quinnen only plays about 65 per cent of the snaps.

He’s been an almost every down player his entire career. If you think the Jets got him to rotate with a jag like McD, you’re dreaming.
Just go look at the thread started when the trade was made. Everyone and anyone knows/knew what amount of playing time he’d be getting.

[Bowles Movement]

28 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

You know this without having an idea how it will play out, or whether he’ll be happy with the result? Amazing.

Common sense.  

Not really amazing.

Just not that common.

[Bowles Movement]

9 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

He’s been an almost every down player his entire career. If you think the Jets got him to rotate with a jag like McD, you’re dreaming.
Just go look at the thread started when the trade was made. Everyone and anyone knows/knew what amount of playing time he’d be getting.

His trade conditions and the way the Jets rotate players virtually guarantee that he will not get more than 65 per cent of the snaps.

If he doesn't show up soon and get into playing shape and learn the defense he wont even see that many snaps.

[Green Ghost]

6 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

Common sense.  

Not really amazing.

Just not that common.

Just want to say I appreciate that we’ve had some interesting and (at least for me 😉) enjoyable back and forth s today… you’re a good guy, and I enjoy talking with you.