Carter Warren had himself a nice game this week

[AFJF]

Long forgotten guy since the Olu pick but still a young tackle who some viewed as  a round 2/3 pick who could be the future on the right side.  

For those of you who didn't notice this block live...it was a doozie.

 

 

[AFJF]

FYI, Warren's PFF grades from this week.

Ovr: 61.5

Rblk: 64.6

Pblk: 79.2

[JKlecko]

I've never understood PFF's grades.  How can Carter have had a 64.6 run blocking grade, a 79.2 pass blocking grade, and yet only get a 61.5 overall.  That makes zero sense to me.

[TuscanyTile2]

3 minutes ago, JKlecko said:

I've never understood PFF's grades.  How can Carter have had a 64.6 run blocking grade, a 79.2 pass blocking grade, and yet only get a 61.5 overall.  That makes zero sense to me.

His QBR was 0.0.

[JKlecko]

11 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

His QBR was 0.0.

I hope this is a joke.  What would an OT have a QBR?

[TuscanyTile2]

5 minutes ago, JKlecko said:

I hope this is a joke.  What would an OT have a QBR?

I hope YOUR post is a joke (though I don't think it is).

[JKlecko]

15 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I hope YOUR post is a joke (though I don't think it is).

You're right that it wasn't a joke.  Why would an OT have a Quarterback rating or why would the QB rating pull his grade down?  

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, JKlecko said:

You're right that it wasn't a joke.  Why would an OT have a Quarterback rating or why would the QB rating pull his grade down?  

Because (obviously) my post was a joke.  

[JKlecko]

Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

Because (obviously) my post was a joke.  

I said initially that I thought it was a joke.  So I don't get what's wrong with my question about PFF's overall grade.  IMO PFF grades are always off.  Heck they've had one of their evaluators even admit that he handed out grades for a game he didn't watch.  I don't think there's any way they watch every game zeroed in on every play of every player.  I've seen them give great grades to players who had awful games, and awful grades to players who had very good, if not great games.

[Joejet]

4 minutes ago, JKlecko said:

I said initially that I thought it was a joke.  So I don't get what's wrong with my question about PFF's overall grade.  IMO PFF grades are always off.  Heck they've had one of their evaluators even admit that he handed out grades for a game he didn't watch.  I don't think there's any way they watch every game zeroed in on every play of every player.  I've seen them give great grades to players who had awful games, and awful grades to players who had very good, if not great games.

It’s way more important what the team coaches see and evaluate versus PFF’s evaluation. The team knows what the players assignment is on a given play so they know whether he fulfilled what their specific needs were on a play.

[Jack Straw]

This thread is something else.


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[JKlecko]

3 minutes ago, Joejet said:

It’s way more important what the team coaches see and evaluate versus PFF’s evaluation. The team knows what the players assignment is on a given play so they know whether he fulfilled what their specific needs were on a play.

I agree that the team's coaches grades are more important.  I'm sure that they don't pay any attention at all to the PFF grades.  I wish PFF would just go away. I have zero respect for them.

[TuscanyTile2]

25 minutes ago, JKlecko said:

I said initially that I thought it was a joke.  So I don't get what's wrong with my question about PFF's overall grade.  IMO PFF grades are always off.  Heck they've had one of their evaluators even admit that he handed out grades for a game he didn't watch.  I don't think there's any way they watch every game zeroed in on every play of every player.  I've seen them give great grades to players who had awful games, and awful grades to players who had very good, if not great games.

Your question about PFF's grade was perfectly reasonable.  

[Rich Thornburgh]

1 hour ago, JKlecko said:

I've never understood PFF's grades.  How can Carter have had a 64.6 run blocking grade, a 79.2 pass blocking grade, and yet only get a 61.5 overall.  That makes zero sense to me.

They once gave Darron Lee a perfect score so who knows

[JetsFlyer]

i saw him get burned early, then he was steady..   hmm,  does pff take into consideration strength of competition? 

[Drums]

Cleaned his motha ****in clock!

[jetspenguin]

You really need to stop with these positive threads. You are throwing people off.

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[Maynard13]

10 hours ago, AFJF said:

Long forgotten guy since the Olu pick but still a young tackle who some viewed as  a round 2/3 pick who could be the future on the right side.  

For those of you who didn't notice this block live...it was a doozie.

 

 

[AFJF]

6 hours ago, JKlecko said:

I've never understood PFF's grades.  How can Carter have had a 64.6 run blocking grade, a 79.2 pass blocking grade, and yet only get a 61.5 overall.  That makes zero sense to me.

They definitely hand out head-scratching grades from time to time.  Which is why I don't think I've ever heard anyone say they have 100% faith in their grades.  But it's also rare that over the course of a season a guy with a very high overall grade is having a bad year.

As far as how that grade can be what it is, I believe it's because they try to account for penalties and win rates.

But PFF grades aside, I thought he had himself a solid outing.

 

[Jet Nut]

15 hours ago, AFJF said:

Long forgotten guy since the Olu pick but still a young tackle who some viewed as  a round 2/3 pick who could be the future on the right side.  

For those of you who didn't notice this block live...it was a doozie.

 

 

With the emphatic pancake. 

[AFJF]

10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

With the emphatic pancake. 

Not often you pancake a dude so hard that he knocks one of your teammates over.  

[JiFtheOracle]

I was pretty high on Carter last year, he's got the skill set to play T in this league.  He's why the Olu pick was a bit confusing, figured we had a solid back up already on the roster but hopefully he can move to RT long term and Olu can hold down LT and we dont have to worry about either position for a long time.

 

[Bobby816]

Big Warren fan and I thought it'd click for him this year and it seems it has. We have 2 older OTs, so to have 2 young talented guys waiting is a great thing.

[rangerous]

Good sign for the future.  They have a lot of young guys to back up the old ones.

[varjet]

Warren and Mitchell are making the team as OT 3 and 4.  Hopefully Mitchell can play G.  The tricky part will be who stays as IOL depth.  

[Jet_Engine1]

PFF "grades" are really just numbers assigned based on superficial observations, feelings, and conjecture that also take what team the player is on and name recognition into play. "That block was.... good. That play was, well we don't know what his job was, that play went the other way and he didn't knock anyone down... oh, a sack". Hmm, don't know who he is, he's on the Jets so...

 

Run Blocking 62

Pass Blocking. 71

 

Final total grade 58.5

 

Meaningless stuff that somehow made them "relevant".

[Bungaman]

Perhaps the total grade is affected/weighed by how many rush and pass plays are run - but I also don't know how the sum or average of the two can be less than either number alone. 

[Jethead]

A thing of beauty. With Olu and Carter we have a nice pair of talented, young OTs. Very promising.

[chirorob]

14 hours ago, JKlecko said:

I've never understood PFF's grades.  How can Carter have had a 64.6 run blocking grade, a 79.2 pass blocking grade, and yet only get a 61.5 overall.  That makes zero sense to me.

You have to AVERAGE them, obviously.

[varjet]

2 hours ago, varjet said:

Warren and Mitchell are making the team as OT 3 and 4.  Hopefully Mitchell can play G.  The tricky part will be who stays as IOL depth.  

Sorry.  I forgot about Olu.   Given the way the Jets have burned through tackles, and the fact that we have two older injured ones, I think they need to find a way to keep Mitchell.  So he either has G flexibility or they keep 10.  

Roster questions to me appear to be:

• Solomon Thomas
• Ruckert
• Echols
• Mitchell/Glaser

[JKlecko]

3 hours ago, chirorob said:

You have to AVERAGE them, obviously.

Of course, but if you average them you don't come out with a lower score than the lower of the scores you're averaging.  His average score would be 71.9, not 61.5.  If the overall score had been 61.9, I would have thought, "Ok, that's just a typo," but with it being 61.5, there's no way that's a typo.

I guess math isn't your strong suit.

[chirorob]

22 minutes ago, JKlecko said:

Of course, but if you average them you don't come out with a lower score than the lower of the scores you're averaging.  His average score would be 71.9, not 61.5.  If the overall score had been 61.9, I would have thought, "Ok, that's just a typo," but with it being 61.5, there's no way that's a typo.

I guess math isn't your strong suit.

I was making fun of PFF, but thanks.

It's English I'm the bad at, math I is the good.

[JKlecko]

6 hours ago, varjet said:

Warren and Mitchell are making the team as OT 3 and 4.  Hopefully Mitchell can play G.  The tricky part will be who stays as IOL depth.  

That should be OT 4 and 5.  Fashanu is OT 3.  Regarding IOL depth, the only lock is Schweitzer. Newman is looking good as is Kohl Levao.  The Jets like Hanson and I think Glaser. I could also easily see them signing a camp cut.  I'm feeling more confident in the depth than I did before TC.  It indeed would be awesome if Mitchell can backup both OG and RT.

[JKlecko]

55 minutes ago, chirorob said:

I was making fun of PFF, but thanks.

It's English I'm the bad at, math I is the good.

Sorry to impugn your math skills.  That's the hard thing about posting on these fan sites when we don't know others very well and can't tell when someone is joking or being sarcastic.

[#27TheDominator]

5 hours ago, varjet said:

Sorry.  I forgot about Olu.   Given the way the Jets have burned through tackles, and the fact that we have two older injured ones, I think they need to find a way to keep Mitchell.  So he either has G flexibility or they keep 10.  

Roster questions to me appear to be:

• Solomon Thomas
• Ruckert
• Echols
• Mitchell/Glaser

Ruckert?  Isn't he obviously TE2?  I think he got hurt, but otherwise what is his competition?  Yeboah?  Kuntz?  He's been rostered for 2 seasons while they were basically contractually obligated to carry Conklin and Uzomah.  I see him as an outright lock.

I think Echols will stick and let walk next year replaced by Stiggers and/or JBC. 

I guess they might cut Thomas if they really love one of the UDFA, but he is cheap and I think they will value some continuity. 

Anybody hear what kind of camp Mitchell is having?  I think they'll want to keep him around.  They have played him at G.  I think even ahead of Newman.  I think they would probably cut Newman first, but he is still the kind of guy to stick around and hover between the roster and practice squad and actually play.

I would wonder if there is a trade market for any of these guys.  I assume they keep tabs on who teams might be interested in if they are going to have to drop somebody at the deadline that they might get something back on.  Was it last year they cut the K and P to sign back before opening day?  They'll probably play that game again.