Aaron Rodgers press conference: hardest training camp in years

[Bronx]

 

 

 

[The Crusher]

So cute how he makes believe Salah has a say in things, adorable,

[Falco21]

I actually think this is silently a big deal and something that I believe could pay dividends this season. Not only have I been reading this from all the Jets beat, but I have also been reading how the individual positional drills have been hardcore and guys going 110%, something not normally seen. 

I am hopeful that this helps lead to less injuries and guys more prepared and ready right out the gate. Saleh has always taken it easy in training camp and made it a point to mention that this year would be different in that regard. I love the idea 

[Integrity28]

It’s weird how effort is being treated as novel. Like, how low did our standards get with the country club camps of the past few years.

[Ecuadorian Jet]

[jetspenguin]

Good

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[Bronx]

2 hours ago, The Crusher said:

So cute how he makes believe Salah has a say in things, adorable,

We know who is Daddy.

[Falco21]

8 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

It’s weird how effort is being treated as novel. Like, how low did our standards get with the country club camps of the past few years.

I would not say it's just effort we are talking about here. There have been a few reporters who are saying that they do not commonly, if ever, see training camps this difficult across the NFL. Often times training camps are considered a "ramp up" process leading into the week 1, but a tempered "ramp up" to make sure guys do not get injured before the season. This seems to be, from everything I have read, a full speed go for weeks which may lead to more soreness and soft tissue nagging pain, but could potentially play well in avoiding major injury in the long term.

It's an interesting theory and one that, I believe, could hold a lot of weight. Time will tell

[Lupz27]

12 hours ago, Bronx said:

 

 

 

Guys work hard, guys get better.

More with this story at 11.

[OilfieldJet]

Anything this staff does differently is probably better.

[Dunnie]

In the past, Saleh seemed to think guys would just magically get better without being pushed .. such a strange concept for a Head Coach to champion.

Camp Cupcake didn't work out so well ...did it ?

I wonder if they will rename the Story Wall ... The Accountability Ledger.

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[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, Falco21 said:

I would not say it's just effort we are talking about here. There have been a few reporters who are saying that they do not commonly, if ever, see training camps this difficult across the NFL. Often times training camps are considered a "ramp up" process leading into the week 1, but a tempered "ramp up" to make sure guys do not get injured before the season. This seems to be, from everything I have read, a full speed go for weeks which may lead to more soreness and soft tissue nagging pain, but could potentially play well in avoiding major injury in the long term.

It's an interesting theory and one that, I believe, could hold a lot of weight. Time will tell

Yeah, I’m with you and agree. I used the word effort as short-hand because I didn’t want to type a long post. 

[mrcoops]

It's the hardest training camp of the two that AR has taken part in over the past decade...

[bicketybam]

Just now, mrcoops said:

It's the hardest training camp of the two that AR has turned up for over the past decade...

He used to blow off training camp?

[Sperm Edwards]

10 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

It’s weird how effort is being treated as novel. Like, how low did our standards get with the country club camps of the past few years.

Bah, this is all just a thinly veiled attempt by Rodgers to cover up for his missing two glorified-OTA minicamp "practices" with full pads and contact (never mind two-a-days) now prohibited by the league.

Every turnover, every botched snap, every loss this season will be directly attributable to taking his trip to Egypt in early June and he knows it! 

Tall tales about practicing hard now to try to make up for it, lmao. I see right through this bull****.

[The Crusher]

51 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Camp Cupcake didn't work out so well ...did it ?










 

Hey!! I was only 8 and nobody told me those cupcakes were for everybody else use too. 

[Long Island Leprechaun]

10 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

It’s weird how effort is being treated as novel. Like, how low did our standards get with the country club camps of the past few years.

You mean everyone's across the NFL. It's a systemic change. But go ahead and blame the Jets. Seems to be the fashion.

[Sperm Edwards]

2 hours ago, Falco21 said:

I would not say it's just effort we are talking about here. There have been a few reporters who are saying that they do not commonly, if ever, see training camps this difficult across the NFL. Often times training camps are considered a "ramp up" process leading into the week 1, but a tempered "ramp up" to make sure guys do not get injured before the season. This seems to be, from everything I have read, a full speed go for weeks which may lead to more soreness and soft tissue nagging pain, but could potentially play well in avoiding major injury in the long term.

It's an interesting theory and one that, I believe, could hold a lot of weight. Time will tell

Well then we may see how much of that great depth is actually great depth, and not just seems great on paper depth, as the starters get fewer snaps per game. 

To prevent extra injuries (even semi-minor ones) what I'd like to see more is when there are actual blowouts (whether winning or losing), and it's not an elimination game, is getting not just a couple playmakers but EVERYONE sub-out-able off the field. Down by 25+ points even in the early 4th quarter, or down by >30 at any point in the second half? The emergency QB3 goes in, Breece, Garrett, and MW get put in bubble wrap, as much of the OL as they can gets swapped out (certainly the older tackles), the QW brothers watch their backups play in their places, etc.

Sure if that catches on those last possessions both ways for both teams it would mess things up for fantasy football geeks, and would be must pee tv for the rest of us (as though the game already isn't at that point) -- but the starters' injury risks on snaps that are 99% likely to be meaningless will disappear while the backups get some live reps in real games, and that's more likely to result in win savings than a team's once-a-decade miracle 25+ point, 4th quarter comeback.

There have been just 11 4th-quarter comebacks of 21+ points in the past 75 years going back to when Harry Truman was still president. Also in NFL history there have been maybe 20 comebacks from being 24+ points down at any point in the game. 

Debates over what the stats say about going for it on 4th even in deeper parts of the field are nothing compared to this. HCs who leave starters on the field in such situations - of early-season games, or games that aren't mathematical must-win ones, no less - are all vying for the title of King Stupid. 

[mrcoops]

52 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

He used to blow off training camp?

I wasn't being serious.  His reputation with the Packers in the latter years was that he was disengaged from offseason work and camp. That's why such a big deal was made of it when he fully engaged in it all with the Jets.

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

You mean everyone's across the NFL. It's a systemic change. But go ahead and blame the Jets. Seems to be the fashion.

Um, okay.

[slimjasi]

Encouraging to hear - I hope it translates 

[batman10023]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Well then we may see how much of that great depth is actually great depth, and not just seems great on paper depth, as the starters get fewer snaps per game. 

To prevent extra injuries (even semi-minor ones) what I'd like to see more is when there are actual blowouts (whether winning or losing), and it's not an elimination game, is getting not just a couple playmakers but EVERYONE sub-out-able off the field. Down by 25+ points even in the early 4th quarter, or down by >30 at any point in the second half? The emergency QB3 goes in, Breece, Garrett, and MW get put in bubble wrap, as much of the OL as they can gets swapped out (certainly the older tackles), the QW brothers watch their backups play in their places, etc.

Sure if that catches on those last possessions both ways for both teams it would mess things up for fantasy football geeks, and would be must pee tv for the rest of us (as though the game already isn't at that point) -- but the starters' injury risks on snaps that are 99% likely to be meaningless will disappear while the backups get some live reps in real games, and that's more likely to result in win savings than a team's once-a-decade miracle 25+ point, 4th quarter comeback.

There have been just 11 4th-quarter comebacks of 21+ points in the past 75 years going back to when Harry Truman was still president. Also in NFL history there have been maybe 20 comebacks from being 24+ points down at any point in the game. 

Debates over what the stats say about going for it on 4th even in deeper parts of the field are nothing compared to this. HCs who leave starters on the field in such situations - of early-season games, or games that aren't mathematical must-win ones, no less - are all vying for the title of King Stupid. 

and what would the number be if teams put in their backups when ahead by 21?

 

There have been just 11 4th-quarter comebacks of 21+ points in the past 75 years going back to when Harry Truman was still president. Also in NFL history there have been maybe 20 comebacks from being 24+ points down at any point in the game. 

 

 

[Matt39]

2 hours ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

You mean everyone's across the NFL. It's a systemic change. But go ahead and blame the Jets. Seems to be the fashion.

Certainly not in Kansas City

[RutgersJetFan]

12 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

It’s weird how effort is being treated as novel. Like, how low did our standards get with the country club camps of the past few years.

[Barry McCockinner]

[Falco21]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Bah, this is all just a thinly veiled attempt by Rodgers to cover up for his missing two glorified-OTA minicamp "practices" with full pads and contact (never mind two-a-days) now prohibited by the league.

Every turnover, every botched snap, every loss this season will be directly attributable to taking his trip to Egypt in early June and he knows it! 

Tall tales about practicing hard now to try to make up for it, lmao. I see right through this bull****.

I disagree with this take simply because of the comments I made previously. It is not Rodgers stating this solely on his own. This has been echoed by the Jets beat reporters all offseason prior to him saying anything. These are guys that have been covering this team for years through the misery, specifically Rich Cimini who has said he is shocked at how hard they are going this year. 

It speaks well to Saleh's ability to adjust. We all know he needs to win games, I think we can all agree on that front, but it is refreshing to see him make an adjustment in a positive way, especially if it pays big dividends late into the season.

[rex-n-effect]

5 minutes ago, Falco21 said:

It speaks well to Saleh's ability to adjust. We all know he needs to win games, I think we can all agree on that front, but it is refreshing to see him make an adjustment in a positive way, especially if it pays big dividends late into the season.

Does it? It took four years to adjust his training camp mentality. I would say it speaks poorly to his ability to adjust. 

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, batman10023 said:

and what would the number be if teams put in their backups when ahead by 21?

 

There have been just 11 4th-quarter comebacks of 21+ points in the past 75 years going back to when Harry Truman was still president. Also in NFL history there have been maybe 20 comebacks from being 24+ points down at any point in the game. 

 

 

First off, I said more than 21 -- you swapped in 21 points when I said 25 (i.e. I alluded to more than 3 scores, even with converting 3 straight 2-pointers vs. exactly 3 scores).

The number of miracle comebacks would be lower, and my guess is the number of games subsequently lost because of unnecessary injuries to key players in the 99% of unsuccessful attempts likely eclipses that number of miracle comebacks.

[JiFtheOracle]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Well then we may see how much of that great depth is actually great depth, and not just seems great on paper depth, as the starters get fewer snaps per game. 

To prevent extra injuries (even semi-minor ones) what I'd like to see more is when there are actual blowouts (whether winning or losing), and it's not an elimination game, is getting not just a couple playmakers but EVERYONE sub-out-able off the field. Down by 25+ points even in the early 4th quarter, or down by >30 at any point in the second half? The emergency QB3 goes in, Breece, Garrett, and MW get put in bubble wrap, as much of the OL as they can gets swapped out (certainly the older tackles), the QW brothers watch their backups play in their places, etc.

Sure if that catches on those last possessions both ways for both teams it would mess things up for fantasy football geeks, and would be must pee tv for the rest of us (as though the game already isn't at that point) -- but the starters' injury risks on snaps that are 99% likely to be meaningless will disappear while the backups get some live reps in real games, and that's more likely to result in win savings than a team's once-a-decade miracle 25+ point, 4th quarter comeback.

There have been just 11 4th-quarter comebacks of 21+ points in the past 75 years going back to when Harry Truman was still president. Also in NFL history there have been maybe 20 comebacks from being 24+ points down at any point in the game. 

Debates over what the stats say about going for it on 4th even in deeper parts of the field are nothing compared to this. HCs who leave starters on the field in such situations - of early-season games, or games that aren't mathematical must-win ones, no less - are all vying for the title of King Stupid. 

It's funny because college has always done this but NFL never really has unless it's like, truly out of hand.  As for the bold though, it would also mess things up for heavy incentive based deals, I would assume.  Not sure how many guys would agree to kickers/incentives based on production if they're getting pulled.  Granted, it probably rarely happens because most games are decided by 1 score or less but just point that out for conversation sake.

[Sperm Edwards]

14 minutes ago, Falco21 said:

I disagree with this take simply because of the comments I made previously. It is not Rodgers stating this solely on his own. This has been echoed by the Jets beat reporters all offseason prior to him saying anything. These are guys that have been covering this team for years through the misery, specifically Rich Cimini who has said he is shocked at how hard they are going this year. 

It speaks well to Saleh's ability to adjust. We all know he needs to win games, I think we can all agree on that front, but it is refreshing to see him make an adjustment in a positive way, especially if it pays big dividends late into the season.

Was wondering how long I should let this go before I let you in on my post being what I thought was obvious sarcasm. 15 minutes seems like enough, right?

[Warfish]

I suppose Rodgers, a notorious "minimal participation possible" camp/preseason guy in GB camps, might just see average work as a lot.

 

[Sperm Edwards]

3 minutes ago, JiFtheOracle said:

It's funny because college has always done this but NFL never really has unless it's like, truly out of hand.  As for the bold though, it would also mess things up for heavy incentive based deals, I would assume.  Not sure how many guys would agree to kickers/incentives based on production if they're getting pulled.  Granted, it probably rarely happens because most games are decided by 1 score or less but just point that out for conversation sake.

You'd know more than I would, but my understanding it doing that in college isn't the same. In the NFL the ONLY thing that matters is whether a team wins or loses, and margin of victory (or loss) plays no part.

Because teams aren't just competing with their own conferences for a national title (certainly not traditionally, before college playoffs), one of the other differentiators is awarding higher rank not just for W/L record but also margin of wins & losses, factoring in quality of competition. So top teams with 30+ point spreads over tomato cans usually cover even though in the W/L column because such a wide margin of victory helps differentiate the men from the boys in the national rankings (and enormous point spreads reflect top teams having such incentives). If the #5 team was to barely beat a the #125 team by like 1 point in the last minute, in terms of national ranking isn't that weighted as a bigger upset than the #5 team losing to the #8 team?

So anyway it's different because there's nothing gained by winning by more. If you're up by 35 as the 4th quarter begins and, as a result of pulling starters, you "only" win by 14 because of a comedy of errors, the win counts the same. 

[Lith]

 

[Sperm Edwards]

4 minutes ago, Lith said:

 

They still have the old door wedge icon & logo font on the podium? Woody's cheapness knows no bounds!!!

 

[Alka]

16 hours ago, The Crusher said:

So cute how he makes believe Salah has a say in things, adorable,

With Aaron Rodgers as our head coach this year, I am optimistic.