New York Jets, Haason Reddick Contract Saga No Longer About Fines. Game checks are now on the line, to the tune of $852,941 for each game missed.

[ARodJetsFan]

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New York Jets, Haason Reddick Contract Saga No Longer About Fines

Now that New York Jets training camp has concluded, the heat will be on Haason Reddick to determine if he wants to report.

Matthew Postins | 5 Hours Ago

 

 

Dec 3, 2023; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA; Philadelphia Eagles linebacker Haason Reddick (7) reacts after a defensive stop against the San Francisco 49ers during the first quarter at Lincoln Financial Field. / Bill Streicher-USA TODAY Sports.

Labor Day marks the first day after the end of training camp and the preseason for the New York Jets — officially.

As ESPN reported on Sunday, the NFL’s collective bargaining agreement outlines that training camp runs through the last Sunday before the first regular-season game.

That’s an important line in the sand in the case of the Jets vs. contract holdout Haason Reddick.

During training camp and the preseason, the only stick New York had with Reddick were fines for not reporting to camp. Now, those fines weren’t insignificant. The mandatory camp fine is $50,000 per day. ESPN calculated that Reddick’s total fine for sitting out the entirety of camp and the preseason was $2.05 million.

That’s a big check that Reddick will have to sign once this holdout ends.

But, with the Jets’ regular-season opener with the San Francisco 49ers coming up on Monday Night Football, the game changes.

The Jets will no longer be fining Reddick. If he doesn’t show up for the opener, he’ll be surrendering a game check.

Reddick signed a three-year, $45 million deal with the Philadelphia Eagles before the 2022 season. After they traded him to the Jets for a draft pick, the two teams worked out the financials and the Jets will be responsible for paying Reddick $14.5 million in 2024.

Knowing that, the math becomes easy. Players are paid for each game. So divide the amount by 17 and you get what each player gets for each game check.

Remember those $50,000 fines? They pale in comparison to the $852,941 Reddick will surrender per game if he doesn’t show up to play for the Jets.

Last week, Jets general manager Joe Douglas said there had been little conversation between himself and Reddick’s camp on a new deal. In fact, he told reporters that the team is waiting on him.

Now, with the regular season opener a week away, the Jets have more leverage.

Since he arrived in New York he hasn’t budged on his desire for a new deal, which is what led to his trade. He held out all of training camp and even demanded another trade. Douglas said they tried to work out an extension before the trade but made the deal confident one could get done.

Last season with Philadelphia he finished with 11 sacks, 23 quarterback hits and 13 tackles for loss, leading to a second straight Pro Bowl nod.

In 2022, the first year of his current deal, he had career highs with 16 sacks and 26 quarterback hits. He also forced an NFL-best five fumbles that season.

In the past four years he has amassed 51 sacks. Only Trey Hendrickson (53), Myles Garrett (58) and T.J. Watt (62) have more sacks in that span. He is also one of seven defensive players with a streak of at least four season of 10 or more sacks in the past 10 years.

He also leads the NFL in forced fumbles (15) and strip sacks (13) in that span.

[Joe W. Namath]

We know this.  No one cares.

[JiFtheOracle]

I really dont understand what Reddick and his camp are thinking. 

[FlightBoyz]

I have a gut feeling he'll report sometime this week. I can't see this douche losing game checks.

[neckdemon]

9 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

We know this.  No one cares.

no....YOU don't care. a lot of us realize he is the best pass rusher on the team and not having him out there is a significant downgrade. douglas screwed this one up

[Bronx]

 

 

 

[Mogglez]

18 hours ago, neckdemon said:

no....YOU don't care. a lot of us realize he is the best pass rusher on the team and not having him out there is a significant downgrade. douglas screwed this one up

If Joe Douglas caved/caves you can kiss Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, Michael Carter, and others goodbye, which I can guarantee everyone would cry about.  The breakdown of what happened re: this trade and who is to blame for the holdout is very simple:

- The Jets always viewed this as a one year deal but were willing to, basically, fully guarantee Reddick’s contract for this season as long as he showed up for every workout and activity.

- Reddick, seemingly, agreed to this, said so in his introductory press conference, and was primed to be here.

- At some point (probably when the Jets moved JFM during the draft) Reddick decided he was tired of the under market 1-year deals that his agent was negotiating for him and flipped the script.  For reasons that don’t follow any semblance of logic, his agent, Tory Dandy, thought this would be a great idea and the holdout began.

- They thought the Jets would cave or trade him, Douglas dropped his statement and eliminated all chances of Reddick playing anywhere but the Jets (sans a mega trade) this season, so now they’ve gone and cost themselves an enormous amount of money.  Apparently, they’ve now established that doubling down on bad decisions and cutting their noses to spite their faces is their next course of action.

- Even if Reddick turns this into a “hold-in” to avoid his contract tolling, he’s destroyed his reputation and will have to sell himself to another team on him still being an elite pass rusher at 31, coming off an “injury”, with a bad attitude.  If Dandy and Reddick think they’re going to get a long-term $25-mil. per year contract with that negotiating tactic, they’re out of their minds.

[ARodJetsFan]

39 minutes ago, JiFtheOracle said:

I really dont understand what Reddick and his camp are thinking. 

That makes 2 of us.

[Better2bgreenthanblue]

Who?

[32EBoozer]

12 minutes ago, Better2bgreenthanblue said:

Who?

[Sarge4Tide]

[jetstream23]

If he just sits around and doesn’t report, doesn’t collect any checks, etc. would the Jets trade him at the deadline to a NFC team in dire need of a passrusher?  Just to get something/anything for him?

 

[neckdemon]

48 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

If Joe Douglas caved/caves you can kiss Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, and others goodbye, which I can guarantee everyone would be crying about.  The breakdown of this trade and who is to blame is very simple:

- The Jets always viewed this as a one year deal but were willing to, basically, fully guarantee Reddick’s contract for this season as long as he showed up for every workout and activity.

- Reddick, seemingly, agreed to this, said so in his introductory press conference, and was primed to be here.

- At some point (probably when the Jets moved JFM during the draft) Reddick decided he was tired of the under market 1-year deals that his agent was negotiating for him and flipped the script.  For reasons that don’t follow any semblance of logic, his agent, Tory Dandy, thought this would be a great idea and the holdout began.

- They thought the Jets would cave or trade him, Douglas dropped his statement and eliminated all chances of Reddick playing anywhere but the Jets (sans a mega trade) this season, and now they’ve gone and cost themselves an enormous amount of money.

- Even if Reddick turns this into a “hold-in” to avoid his contract tolling, he’s destroyed his reputation and will have to sell himself to another team on him still being an elite pass rusher at 31, coming off an “injury”, with a bad attitude.  If Dandy and Reddick think they’re going to get a long-term 25 mil per year contract with that negotiating tactic, they’re out of their minds.

the be all end all is our defense is worse without reddick. he is one of the premier pass rushers in the league. if reddick doesn't play for us then douglas f*cked up...end of story. 

[Doggin94it]

1 hour ago, JiFtheOracle said:

I really dont understand what Reddick and his camp are thinking. 

Sunk cost fallacy + pride + agent's self-interest, mostly.

That last part is probably a big deal: if Reddick comes back in without any concession from the team, it's going to look awful for Tory Dandy & CAAA as he competes with other top agents for clients. Yeah, he just got CeeDeeLamb a huge deal - but that wasn't all that difficult given the setup. Costing Reddick 2M+ and getting nothing? That'll sting. So he has some personal skin in the game that is likely leading him to advise Reddick to try and stick it out.

[Doggin94it]

27 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

If he just sits around and doesn’t report, doesn’t collect any checks, etc. would the Jets trade him at the deadline to a NFC team in dire need of a passrusher?  Just to get something/anything for him?

 

No. If he doesn't report by week 6 then he's under contract to the Jets for 2025, too. So he'll show up before then.

[Mogglez]

25 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

the be all end all is our defense is worse without reddick. he is one of the premier pass rushers in the league. if reddick doesn't play for us then douglas f*cked up...end of story. 

I mean, yeah, if you throw out every single thing I just said, which puts the blame squarely on Haason for being a misguided malcontent, clearly outlines why he’s not getting the illogical contract he wants from the Jets, or any other team for that matter, and completely forget that the defense was already elite without Reddick last year, sure, that could be your opinion.

[Mr. Rogers]

Considering Reddick has gone against all logic for the duration of this holdout, I'm definitely worried he'll push this well into the regular season. Doubtful he goes past the contract toll point, but nothing seems impossible with this guy at this point...

Ah well. If we can have him for a good playoff push, this might all be worth it. We'll see if he shows tomorrow, it seems like that'll be the day if it's before mid season. 

[ChrebetOverKeyshawn]

It’s been said a million times but this is unofficially the Will McDonald game. If he really bursts on the scene Monday Night against a Trent William-less 49ers line….. WOW is that the jackpot for JD. Reddick would essentially be forced to report after the game to salvage his value. On the flip if they can’t get to Purdy, Reddick wins. This may be the last Hail Mary his camp is waiting for. 

[neckdemon]

22 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I mean, yeah, if you throw out every single thing I just said, which puts the blame squarely on Haason for being a misguided malcontent, clearly outlines why he’s not getting the illogical contract he wants from the Jets, or any other team for that matter, and completely forget that the defense was already elite without Reddick last year, sure, that could be your opinion.

everything you said was purely financial. the bottom line is that the defense would be much better with one of the premier pass rushers in the league playing. the defense was pretty good, it wasn't elite. last point is that you have no idea what reddick is asking for...so you can't say he is asking for an iilogical contract. it's my understanding that he has zero guaranteed money on his contract this year. could be he would have been willing to show up with some guaranteed money. he gets severely hurt with no guaranteed money and he is f*cked. i don't blame him for not wanting to risk himself with no guarantees.  douglas screwed this up, pretty much everyone except jets homers sees it that way

[bicketybam]

2 hours ago, JiFtheOracle said:

I really dont understand what Reddick and his camp are thinking. 

Ask @FidelioJet they know 

[MykePM]

2 hours ago, neckdemon said:

no....YOU don't care. a lot of us realize he is the best pass rusher on the team and not having him out there is a significant downgrade. douglas screwed this one up

Except, in every tangible way, Reddick is not on the team.  He's not on the active roster.  He never has been.  And the Jets haven't spent one penny or draft pick on him at this point.  And that's kind of Joe D's stance on all of this.  How can he tear up an existing contract and break the bank for someone who hasn't dropped one bead of sweat for this team?

Ironically, there have been multiple posters who have essentially said "if there was no deal in place, Douglas should just not have made the trade".  In all measurable ways, it's like the trade never was made.

And assuming Reddick shows up at some point to prevent his contract from tolling to next season, it will be like adding a new "best pass rusher" in a mid-season trade, presumably in time to bolster a playoff push, in exchange for a lousy 3rd round pick two years from now - which doesn't sound too bad.

[Mogglez]

8 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

Sunk cost fallacy + pride + agent's self-interest, mostly.

That last part is probably a big deal: if Reddick comes back in without any concession from the team, it's going to look awful for Tory Dandy & CAAA as he competes with other top agents for clients. Yeah, he just got CeeDeeLamb a huge deal - but that wasn't all that difficult given the setup. Costing Reddick 2M+ and getting nothing? That'll sting. So he has some personal skin in the game that is likely leading him to advise Reddick to try and stick it out.

Dandy has history of advising his clients to hold out/in so they get what they want.  So far, it has actually been successful for him, most notably with D.K. Metcalf and CeeDee Lamb.  That’s because, as you mentioned, the situations were lined up for that to be a power play.  The Seahawks and Cowboys would have been absolutely f*cked without either one of those guys.  The problem for Dandy is that the Jets are not f*cked without Reddick.  

First off, the Jets already improved the defense prior to the trade, particularly the secondary, by getting Chuck Clark back from injury and this was a unit that was already top of the league while trying to play the majority of games due to the mind numbingly bad offense/QB play.  If they get anything better than that out of the offense this year, they figure to be helped out greatly.

Second, the pass rush was just fine with or without JFM - the key player whose departure most likely led to Reddick’s decision to hold out.   Yes, they don’t have a Bryce Huff on their team right now, but if someone else, McDonald IV or otherwise, can generate similar pressure (even if they aren’t notched as sacks), than the defense might not notice a single difference.

At this point, Haason is banking on hope.  He's hoping that a defense, that has been very good without any assistance from the offense, will fall off a cliff and the Jets will cave.   There are a myriad of reasons as to why even THAT wouldn’t get him paid, but that’s another post for another time.  Dude took some bad advice and is just doubling down to save face.

[AFJF]

2 hours ago, JiFtheOracle said:

I really dont understand what Reddick and his camp are thinking. 

It's unfathomably stupid for a guy who is doing all of this because he wants more money.

 

He's getting close to a point where he will have zero chance of making this money back with his new deal, creating a net loss.

[Mogglez]

7 hours ago, neckdemon said:

everything you said was purely financial. the bottom line is that the defense would be much better with one of the premier pass rushers in the league playing. the defense was pretty good, it wasn't elite. last point is that you have no idea what reddick is asking for...so you can't say he is asking for an iilogical contract. it's my understanding that he has zero guaranteed money on his contract this year. could be he would have been willing to show up with some guaranteed money. he gets severely hurt with no guaranteed money and he is f*cked. i don't blame him for not wanting to risk himself with no guarantees.  douglas screwed this up, pretty much everyone except jets homers sees it that way

- Yes; when the reason for a holdout is a financial reason, people tend to discuss the financial aspect of the holdout.  This shouldn’t be surprising.

- Yes; the defense would be better with Reddick. No; they do not NEED him to be great.

- Expanding on the above, you’re completely wrong and the defense was elite last year.  Especially when you factor in what they were covering up for on the offensive side of the ball.

- Eagles beat reporters have said multiple times that Reddick wants a multi-year deal that pays him as one of the best defensive players in the league, and that is around $25 million dollars per year.  Howie Roseman, one of the best GMs in the sport, then decided to trade him.  It’s not difficult to figure out what number he is likely looking for with these clues.

- It’s been widely reported that the Jets were willing to sweeten his current contract with more guaranteed money.  It’s the multi-year contract that they don’t want to offer.

-  Absolutely no one who understands the sport of football agrees that Joe Douglas is to blame.  The only people who have bought into that are those who get off on the “lolJets” narrative.

[Biggs]

Counter point.  He’s 30 million dollar Stock portfolio was up 3 million in August.

[Sarge4Tide]

Who?

[Matt39]

Could have just tagged Huff

[neckdemon]

26 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

- Yes; when the reason for a holdout is a financial reason, people tend to discuss the financial aspect of the holdout.  This shouldn’t be surprising.

- Yes; the defense would be better with Reddick. No; they do not NEED him to be great.

- Expanding on the above, you’re completely wrong and the defense was elite last year.  Especially when you factor in what they were covering up for on the offensive side of the ball.

- Eagles beat reporters have said multiple times that Reddick wants a multi-year deal that pays him as one of the best defensive players in the league, and that is around $25 million dollars per year.  Howie Roseman, one of the best GMs in the sport, then decided to trade him.

- It’s been widely reported that the Jets were willing to sweeten his current contract with more guaranteed money.  It’s the multi-year contract that they don’t want to offer.

-  Absolutely no one who understands the sport of football agrees that Joe Douglas is to blame.  The only people who have bought into that are those who get off on the “lolJets” narrative.

douglas gets no slack. he has been a failure here so far. his record as a GM is crap. sure the roster looks good on paper, but until we see results on the field its all hypothetical. he botched the bryce huff situation and he botched this and unless will mcdonald is really freaking good (debatable since he wasn't even able to get on the field as a first round pick), its a downgrade on our pass rush. 
also they were ranked 12th in ppg allowed. good (i'll even say very good given the offensive struggles), not elite

[Larz]

56 minutes ago, ChrebetOverKeyshawn said:

It’s been said a million times but this is unofficially the Will McDonald game. If he really bursts on the scene Monday Night against a Trent William-less 49ers line….. WOW is that the jackpot for JD. Reddick would essentially be forced to report after the game to salvage his value. On the flip if they can’t get to Purdy, Reddick wins. This may be the last Hail Mary his camp is waiting for. 

Agree. It feels like the two sides are both waiting to see what happens Monday night.  McDonald will be key but how the defense in general looks especially in the second half will give one side the advantage. 

[neckdemon]

45 minutes ago, MykePM said:

Except, in every tangible way, Reddick is not on the team.  He's not on the active roster.  He never has been.  And the Jets haven't spent one penny or draft pick on him at this point.  And that's kind of Joe D's stance on all of this.  How can he tear up an existing contract and break the bank for someone who hasn't dropped one bead of sweat for this team?

Ironically, there have been multiple posters who have essentially said "if there was no deal in place, Douglas should just not have made the trade".  In all measurable ways, it's like the trade never was made.

And assuming Reddick shows up at some point to prevent his contract from tolling to next season, it will be like adding a new "best pass rusher" in a mid-season trade, presumably in time to bolster a playoff push, in exchange for a lousy 3rd round pick two years from now - which doesn't sound too bad.

if it works out this way the yeah ok....
or he can show up and sustain an "injury" contract wont toll and he never plays a down. then he just signs somewhere else next year and the jets end up paying a 3rd round pick. like i said, i don't blame him one bit for not playign with no guaranteed money. he gets a career ending injury and thats it

[The Crusher]

3 hours ago, JiFtheOracle said:

I really dont understand what Reddick and his camp are thinking. 

Other than they are not? Can’t think of anything else 

[T0mShane]

2 hours ago, Mogglez said:

said so in his introductory press conference,

Untrue

[FidelioJet]

56 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

-  Absolutely no one who understands the sport of football agrees that Joe Douglas is to blame.  The only people who have bought into that are those who get off on the “lolJets” narrative.

Teflon Joe deserves plenty of blame here.  I'm not saying it's all his fault but he's not clean either.

He traded for a player that was threatening to hold out on his current team and then expected him to play for the Jets under the same deal (or something close to it) I don't care what he said, the details needed to be worked out before a trade like that.

Now I'm hearing they haven't even spoken in over two months.  Not sure that's the best way to get a deal done.

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I also do not buy this idea that it's no big deal if they miss him.  Three edges last year (getting the majority of reps) JJ, JFM and Huff....

Now it's JJ, McD, and Clemmons.

Even if McD can get to anywhere near Huff's production (which is a major question) JFM to Clemmons is still a huge cliff.  On day one Reddick becomes the 2nd best player on that D-line.

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

[Asymmetrical]

Reddick seems like a weirdo and is objectively making a bad business decision by not holding in. That said, I'm really not sure why the Jets deserve the benefit of the doubt in this situation. Trading for Reddick without having a solution to his contract demands and being surprised at the result is entirely a thing this team would do. 

When the Eagles, who famously know what they're doing, trade you their pass rusher and sign your guy who's 5 years younger, that should probably set off some alarm bells.