In Defense Of Robert Saleh

[TuscanyTile2]

-The Jets' schedule came out on May 15th.  That left Saleh with only 117 days to prepare for last night's game.  I think the schedule was released in the middle of the day, too, so it was arguably only 116 days.

-Saleh was previously 4-0 in 2024 (the glorious win against the Patriots and the 3 preseason wins).  We were due for a loss.  You can't criticize the guy for winning at an 80% clip.

-SF ran the ball down our throats but, to be fair, Javon Kinlaw played in the Super Bowl last year so he had a much shorter offseason than most players did.

-JD drafted an OL in the 1st round this year.  How can we expect Saleh's defense to produce without new 1st rounders being added to the defensive pipeline on an annual basis?

-Saleh has been saddled with Zach Wilson as his starting QB for almost the entirety of his tenure.  We have to give him a few years with a real QB to find out what kind of a coach he really is.  In a sense, this is Saleh's rookie season.  Be patient!

-SF is a really good team.  It's unrealistic to expect us to be able to compete against them.  Our Super Bowl dreams rely on us beating a bunch of bad teams in the postseason.

[The Crusher]

[Joejet]

[Jetpain]

Saleh is outcoached on almost a weekly basis, last night was no exception.  But to be fair, the Niners are a better team than we are. It doesnt mean we cant beat them at a future point, but right now its not close.  The better team with the better coach won the game.  Time to move on to the Titans and try to win the next one.  Plenty of areas to improve on.  It will be interesting to see how the team prepares for the next game,  what adjustments are made and how they execute this Sunday.   

[faba]

There are no more excuses for him sarcasm aside

[southparkcpa]

He is in over his head.     

[Prodigal Syndicate]

 

 

[Warfish]

[Bowles Movement]

20 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

 

 

A lot of people were calling Quinnen a bust his first year.   Some players take a little time.

[Prodigal Syndicate]

4 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

A lot of people were calling Quinnen a bust his first year.   Some players take a little time.

Don't think that's the line of thought here. More so, why isn't he on the field especially in light of Williams still recovering.

[jgb]

Subtlety is not your forte.

[jgb]

29 minutes ago, faba said:

There are no more excuses for him sarcasm aside

Never underestimate Woody's capacity to believe excuses

[TuscanyTile2]

10 minutes ago, jgb said:

Subtlety is not your forte.

Who said I was trying to be subtle?

[jgb]

1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Who said I was trying to be subtle?

Sorry, I assumed you were going for satire, not farce. Carry on, then.

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

SF is a really good team.  It's unrealistic to expect us to be able to compete against them.  Our Super Bowl dreams rely on us beating a bunch of bad teams in the postseason.

This is my favorite part.

Jets Fans two days ago: “We have the best roster in the NFL!”

Jets Fans today: “Well uh even without Christian McCaffrey the Niners are a Super Bowl team and uh er uh”

[jgb]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is my favorite part.

Jets Fans two days ago: “We have the best roster in the NFL!”

Jets Fans today: “Well uh even without Christian McCaffrey the Niners are a Super Bowl team and uh er uh”

The same guys telling us that "everyone knew we would lose to SF" are to a man the same crew who, in August, had a spastic fit when someone predicted the Jets don't make the playoffs this year.

[JOJOTOWNSELL]

[Smashmouth]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

I planted the first seed

[FootballLove]

We all saw what we saw. 

But....

It's sad that our big match-up with the NFC powerhouse happened opening day. Our starters hadn't taken a single snap in any of the 3 pre-season games. Not one snap. Then, on opening day, we get the 9ers, at an away game.

I would rather have faced the 9ers after 5 or 6 regular season games. Not only for the players, but for the coaches who have to figure out exactly what our team offers, both on offense and defense. 

If this game occurred mid October at Jet-Life Stadium, I sincerely believe the outcome would have been much, much closer.

That being said, our Run Defense has been average for 3 years now, while our pass defense gave up fewer yards than any other team. #1 Pass Defense. BUT, how much of that was due to Sauce/MC2/Reed/Saleh, and how much was due to teams we were playing having the lead in most of our games, and reverting to their run game to close out those games? Most teams didn't pass a whole lot after 1/2 time. Let's be honest.

Saleh is a Defensive HC. He KNOWS out D is weak against the run. He's known that for 3 years now, going into our 4th season. IF Saleh has not been able to put a 9-ers style defense, starting with the front 4, after 4 years, then maybe, just maybe, Saleh needs to go.

If having a D-Coach doesn't give us a top Defense, then what's the point? Let's see how the season plays out, but if our D doesn't end up near the top, maybe it's time to try an Offense HC (not named Gase).

[jgb]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

Jets fans as a group are among the greatest contrarian indicators on earth. Been begging Max for years to start a stock picking forum so I can short whatever gets the most upvotes.

[Prodigal Syndicate]

1 hour ago, JOJOTOWNSELL said:

 

[Jetsfan80]

4 hours ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

 

 

Extension of the preseason for this coaching staff, as @Matt39 knew it would be.

We’d better sit these guys in Week 2 also.  Just to be safe.

[Prodigal Syndicate]

16 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Extension of the preseason for this coaching staff, as @Matt39 knew it would be.

We’d better sit these guys in Week 2 also.  Just to be safe.

Hackett in a post game interview in week 13 after Corley catches 6 balls and a TD

 

"Well you know, I never knew he could be a wide receiver before today! I'll make sure to use him again in the future."

[Bronx]

Robert should coach at a high school.

[jgb]

4 hours ago, FootballLove said:

We all saw what we saw. 

But....

It's sad that our big match-up with the NFC powerhouse happened opening day. Our starters hadn't taken a single snap in any of the 3 pre-season games. Not one snap. Then, on opening day, we get the 9ers, at an away game.

I would rather have faced the 9ers after 5 or 6 regular season games. Not only for the players, but for the coaches who have to figure out exactly what our team offers, both on offense and defense. 

If this game occurred mid October at Jet-Life Stadium, I sincerely believe the outcome would have been much, much closer.

That being said, our Run Defense has been average for 3 years now, while our pass defense gave up fewer yards than any other team. #1 Pass Defense. BUT, how much of that was due to Sauce/MC2/Reed/Saleh, and how much was due to teams we were playing having the lead in most of our games, and reverting to their run game to close out those games? Most teams didn't pass a whole lot after 1/2 time. Let's be honest.

Saleh is a Defensive HC. He KNOWS out D is weak against the run. He's known that for 3 years now, going into our 4th season. IF Saleh has not been able to put a 9-ers style defense, starting with the front 4, after 4 years, then maybe, just maybe, Saleh needs to go.

If having a D-Coach doesn't give us a top Defense, then what's the point? Let's see how the season plays out, but if our D doesn't end up near the top, maybe it's time to try an Offense HC (not named Gase).

I disagree. I’d rather get clobbered by a clearly superior team week 1 than to drop a game against an inferior one because Saleh’s teams need a warm-up month to play competitive football. 

[Matt39]

6 hours ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

Hackett in a post game interview in week 13 after Corley catches 6 balls and a TD

 

"Well you know, I never knew he could be a wide receiver before today! I'll make sure to use him again in the future."

Corley can’t play 

[Dunnie]

Corley can’t play 

Evidently true ... What a failure of evaluation.

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[Biggs]

Your honor I would like to put Monday nights game tape into evidence.  The people rest.

[TuscanyTile2]

9 hours ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

Hackett in a post game interview in week 13 after Corley catches 6 balls and a TD

 

"Well you know, I never knew he could be a wide receiver before today! I'll make sure to use him again in the future."

How about not using Braelon Allen on the 3rd and 1.  What was the point of drafting him if not for situations like that?  And even if putting Allen in there would make the play call obvious, don't we see the Eagles succeed with the Tush Push on a regular basis?  (Though I know that Jason Kelce is now retired so maybe things will change).

[TuscanyTile2]

11 hours ago, jgb said:

Jets fans as a group are among the greatest contrarian indicators on earth. Been begging Max for years to start a stock picking forum so I can short whatever gets the most upvotes.

There is a financial discussion somewhere in the lounge. 

[jgb]

5 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

There is a financial discussion somewhere in the lounge. 

[thebuzzardman]

NFL needs to go to a 22 game season so teams with coaches like Saleh get 5 games to "figure stuff out"

[jeremy2020]

12 hours ago, FootballLove said:

If having a D-Coach doesn't give us a top Defense, then what's the point? Let's see how the season plays out, but if our D doesn't end up near the top, maybe it's time to try an Offense HC (not named Gase).

I really wish I could find the article I read a couple years ago about bad teams that have great defenses. It made a few points that I think made sense.

One of the points was that if a team is going to struggle to put up 20 points then the opponent makes more conservative decisions. It also looked at a trend of when the offense improved.. the defenses took a step back.

I expected the defense would have a more difficult time this season as the offense was expected to be, at least, functional.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said:

I really wish I could find the article I read a couple years ago about bad teams that have great defenses. It made a few points that I think made sense.

One of the points was that if a team is going to struggle to put up 20 points then the opponent makes more conservative decisions. It also looked at a trend of when the offense improved.. the defenses took a step back.

I expected the defense would have a more difficult time this season as the offense was expected to be, at least, functional.

They ran the ball right down our throats.  How much more conservative could they have played?!

[dbatesman]

13 hours ago, T0mShane said:

This is my favorite part.

Jets Fans two days ago: “We have the best roster in the NFL!”

Jets Fans today: “Well uh even without Christian McCaffrey the Niners are a Super Bowl team and uh er uh”

I'm loving this too. Months of "we're a Super Bowl team!" and suddenly it's "come on guys, it's not fair to expect the Jets to compete with a Super Bowl team!" I guess we spent all that money and all those picks to beat up on the Titans?