Tua on IR

[Joe W. Namath]

Thank goodness someone is making the right decisions for this man.  I expect he will announce his retirement in the next few weeks.

Fins season is over.  Huge for the jets!

[Barry McCockinner]

only list we want to see him on is retired/permanent.

[Be_a_Jet]

Feel bad for Tua. Genuinely one of the rare occasions where the guy has the skill to be in the league and he’s still young but he just can’t risk it. Like Enunwa but obviously on another level. 
 

i think he comes back and plays but he really shouldn’t 

[slimjasi]

Fascinated to see what happens with Tua. He reportedly doesn’t want to retire and it’s very likely that he’ll be able to pass the concussion protocol at some point in the future. 
 

It’s also clear that the NFL wants no part of him getting yet another concussion on an NFL field for the world to see. Will they force him out? Can they? How? 

[Bobby816]

Good he’ll miss at least 4 weeks. But really he needs to retire.

[The Voice of Reason]

4 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Fascinated to see what happens with Tua. He reportedly doesn’t want to retire and it’s very likely that he’ll be able to pass the concussion protocol at some point in the future. 
 

It’s also clear that the NFL wants no part of him getting yet another concussion on an NFL field for the world to see. Will they force him out? Can they? How? 

There was a Detroit RB in recent memory that spent the whole year in the concussion protocol so I wouldn't be so sure that he can clear... 

[bicketybam]

Best case scenario for him is he can't be medically cleared. He still gets paid and Miami has a massive cap hit. Win win!

[slimjasi]

7 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

There was a Detroit RB in recent memory that spent the whole year in the concussion protocol so I wouldn't be so sure that he can clear... 

true

But the question remains - if/when Tua clears the protocol (no matter when it is), how does the NFL keep Tua from playing? 

[BigRy56]

This was expected. Can Tua possibly play again this year? I'm sure he'll pass protocol... but the frequency and most of all (for the NFL) the optics of his concussions are terrible. He was fine last year, but he's clearly got a serious problem

[defensedoesntgetyoulaid]

This 4 week layoff is really going to put a dent in his MVP campaign 

[rbstern]

13 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

true

But the question remains - if/when Tua clears the protocol (no matter when it is), how does the NFL keep Tua from playing? 

 

I don't think they can directly, since Tua has a contract and hasn't violated it.  Read an article that his new contract has no stipulations regarding concussions.  Probably a mistake by both the Dolphins and Tua's representation.  The league can probably put pressure on the Dolphins to keep him out of games.  His contract is not going to have guarantees regarding playing time.  

It's a tough situation.

I honestly don't care how it plays out from an AFC east competitive standpoint.  I hope Tua can make the right choice for himself and his family.  He might come back and play another ten years without a problem.  It's impossible for anyone to know, and also impossible for anyone to stand in his shoes and evaluate the life impact.  He may recover from the physical problem and develop psychological issues from being forced out of the game.

The crossroads between physiology and mental well-being are complicated and often not predictable.

[Claymation]

Tua needs the doctors to make a proper evaluation, whether its for or against.

This man's health are in their hands.

If he does retire for medical reasons, I just hope the NFL doesn't pull some settlement BS. Pay him everything he is owed.

[jeremy2020]

It's unfortunate. Tua was a great QB for the rest of the division. I hope he gets everything he needs to be healthy for his family.

[The Crusher]

Yeah, bad break but right move. Kid needs to make his health and family his priority. Made some sweet coin, now go enjoy it! 

[Drums]

At this point someone needs to save him from himself. 

[jetsons]

Good, he'll be out for 4 games, when he comes back hopefully the dolphags will be last in the standings

 

[Rich Thornburgh]

2 hours ago, Claymation said:

Tua needs the doctors to make a proper evaluation, whether its for or against.

This man's health are in their hands.

If he does retire for medical reasons, I just hope the NFL doesn't pull some settlement BS. Pay him everything he is owed.

The NFL can’t void his contract or help the dolphins by creating a loophole.  It would violate the CBA and the NFLPA will file a grievance that they will win.  Plus Stephen Ross isn’t tight with Goodell like the Krafts

[Warfish]

I don't see him choosing to retire at the end of this IR stint.

[batman10023]

He won’t retire because that would mean he has to give back his signing bonus etc

[GreenFish]

Hopefully he retires. Tough luck. Playing in the NFL is likely a dream come true for him. Sad that he isn’t going to experience a long career.

[Mogglez]

3 hours ago, rbstern said:

 

I don't think they can directly, since Tua has a contract and hasn't violated it.  Read an article that his new contract has no stipulations regarding concussions.  Probably a mistake by both the Dolphins and Tua's representation.  The league can probably put pressure on the Dolphins to keep him out of games.  His contract is not going to have guarantees regarding playing time.  

It's a tough situation.

I honestly don't care how it plays out from an AFC east competitive standpoint.  I hope Tua can make the right choice for himself and his family.  He might come back and play another ten years without a problem.  It's impossible for anyone to know, and also impossible for anyone to stand in his shoes and evaluate the life impact.  He may recover from the physical problem and develop psychological issues from being forced out of the game.

The crossroads between physiology and mental well-being are complicated and often not predictable.

All of this.  I don’t care what this means for the Jets.  If the Jets can’t beat the Dolphins with Tua, they’re in big trouble anyway.

What matters more is that this young man, who just became a father, is able to take care of his family and not the other way around.  Every snap he takes going forward is like playing Russian Roulette with a half loaded revolver.  It isn’t worth it.

[Wit]

It’s really sad. He’s only 26 and really found a groove with McDaniels. It would obviously be much sadder if he weren’t around or able to participate in his children’s lives.


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[Wit]

Tua needs the doctors to make a proper evaluation, whether its for or against.
This man's health are in their hands.
If he does retire for medical reasons, I just hope the NFL doesn't pull some settlement BS. Pay him everything he is owed.

The doctors don’t have to do much. The guy was “fencing” on tv for the second time. His brain MRI is going to eventually look ugly. I just hope it isn’t too late for him to have a normal life and lifespan. Joe Namath talked about how he did the deep water submersion stuff that helped him.

[Maynard13]

6 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Fascinated to see what happens with Tua. He reportedly doesn’t want to retire and it’s very likely that he’ll be able to pass the concussion protocol at some point in the future. 
 

It’s also clear that the NFL wants no part of him getting yet another concussion on an NFL field for the world to see. Will they force him out? Can they? How? 

NFL could care less. Now all of a sudden they care? How many years went by when they denied after effects of the violence inherent in the game. I could see a player risking his future health if he knows the facts but 15 years ago, this was washed watered and rinsed away by denial. Players  weren’t as informed as they are now and NOW they have to weigh the risk versus the reward. Regardless, NFL could care less. 

[jetspenguin]

He should retire but I he doubt he will. The kid is young and too often young people think that the worst will "never happen to me".

There are worse things to be than a young healthy retired multimillionaire kid.

Go enjoy the rest of your life and find something else to put your energy into.

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[Jetsfan80]

8 hours ago, rbstern said:

He might come back and play another ten years without a problem.  It's impossible for anyone to know

Impossible?  Sure.  But if you’re putting odds on it, they’re not good.  This last concussion came fairly easy, and it would seem his next one could very well come even easier.  You don’t play multiple years, let alone 10, if that’s the case.

Kevin Kolb experienced the same thing with his 4th concussion in terms of the ease with which it came:  It was almost nothing, a lineman accidentally knocking a leg against his helmet while Kolb was on the ground.  That’s all it took.  Career over.  

[AFJF]

I was honestly SHOCKED when the Dolphins gave him that contract given his concussion history.  I mean, can anyone in that building go to the owner and say "we had no idea something like this might happen".  

The dude should absolutely 100% retire, but I'm not so sure he does.

 

[jgb]

11 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Fascinated to see what happens with Tua. He reportedly doesn’t want to retire and it’s very likely that he’ll be able to pass the concussion protocol at some point in the future. 
 

It’s also clear that the NFL wants no part of him getting yet another concussion on an NFL field for the world to see. Will they force him out? Can they? How? 

Money talks. If the NFL wants him out so badly, pay him a special $100M severance package. Of course we all know NFL doesn’t want to protect him that badly.

[JetPotato]

14 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Fascinated to see what happens with Tua. He reportedly doesn’t want to retire and it’s very likely that he’ll be able to pass the concussion protocol at some point in the future. 
 

It’s also clear that the NFL wants no part of him getting yet another concussion on an NFL field for the world to see. Will they force him out? Can they? How? 

Did everyone see the opening sequence of the NFL Today on CBS on Sunday? Basically every guy in the studio was telling Tua to hang it up. One (I think Cowher) pointed out to Tua that "You are the quarterback of your family". Really, really hope this guy listens to reason. No one wants to see a guy get killed out there. 

[Asymmetrical]

10 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Did everyone see the opening sequence of the NFL Today on CBS on Sunday? Basically every guy in the studio was telling Tua to hang it up. One (I think Cowher) pointed out to Tua that "You are the quarterback of your family". Really, really hope this guy listens to reason. No one wants to see a guy get killed out there. 

yeah, I have no interest in seeing the guy die on TV. Scary stuff

[static14]

Let's hope he recovers quickly and makes the decision that's best for his family. It's truly horrible to watch guys get hurt like that over what's ultimately just a game. 

[extmenace]

He’s not done in my opinion. Hes due 106 million over the 25 and 26 seasons. I think, from a financial standpoint, the move is to be out for the season, and give it one more shot next year and collect another 55+ mill in 2025. If he stays healthy, he goes into 2026, if not, the 2025 money sets him up for life. People want to say he should retire but there is so much money he’d potentially lose, it’s going to be so hard for him to just walk away from it. I think the only way he walks away from his contract is if he isn’t medically cleared to play again.

[Sonny Werblin]

4 minutes ago, extmenace said:

He’s not done in my opinion. Hes due 106 million over the 25 and 26 seasons. I think, from a financial standpoint, the move is to be out for the season, and give it one more shot next year and collect another 55+ mill in 2025. If he stays healthy, he goes into 2026, if not, the 2025 money sets him up for life. People want to say he should retire but there is so much money he’d potentially lose, it’s going to be so hard for him to just walk away from it. I think the only way he walks away from his contract is if he isn’t medically cleared to play again.

The money decision depends on his professional athlete disability insurance. The insurance company would undoubtedly argue that he can still play and is voluntarily retiring. If he is considering walking away, his lawyers are in talks right now with the insurance company to determine what kind of fight they will have on their hands and if the insurance company would resolve the situation with a slightly discounted payout on the policy. 

[ARodJetsFan]

15 hours ago, Bobby816 said:

Good he’ll miss at least 4 weeks. But really he needs to retire.

Agreed.

[extmenace]

21 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

The money decision depends on his professional athlete disability insurance. The insurance company would undoubtedly argue that he can still play and is voluntarily retiring. If he is considering walking away, his lawyers are in talks right now with the insurance company to determine what kind of fight they will have on their hands and if the insurance company would resolve the situation with a slightly discounted payout on the policy. 

That’s another aspect. At the end of the day, I think the money is the driving force here. He isn’t just walking away from football, he’s walking away from generational wealth. It’s easy, as a fan, to just say retire, but not many people will ever be in position to be able to decide if they want to walk away from 100’s of millions of dollars. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.