Where is JD

[Jack Straw]

Robert Saleh, Adam Gase, Todd Bowles, Rex Ryan, Eric Mangini, Herm Edwards, Al Groh,  Bradway, Mike Tannenbaum, John Idzik, Mike Maccagnan, and Joe Douglas are all scapegoats for Woody Johnson.

Hint: it's the owner. All of the dysfunction begins and ends with Woody Johnson.

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

Robert Saleh, Adam Gase, Todd Bowles, Rex Ryan, Eric Mangini, Herm Edwards, Al Groh,  Bradway, Mike Tannenbaum, John Idzik, Mike Maccagnan, and Joe Douglas are all scapegoats for Woody Johnson.

Hint: it's the owner. All of the dysfunction begins and ends with Woody Johnson.

I’ve been told the Jets have a clear linear reporting structure and anyone who thinks otherwise is a tinfoil wearing nut

[Jetsplayer21]

40 minutes ago, shrekman1 said:

The coach has been dismissed, and the owner is actively engaging with the holdout player. The management is in the process of establishing the budget for upcoming deals. It is imperative to inquire about the whereabouts of our General Manager. Is it not expected for him to issue a statement at this juncture?

JD knows he is done, he’s at the doughnut shop looking for assistant manager jobs at Dicks Sports.

[Jetsplayer21]

6 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

Robert Saleh, Adam Gase, Todd Bowles, Rex Ryan, Eric Mangini, Herm Edwards, Al Groh,  Bradway, Mike Tannenbaum, John Idzik, Mike Maccagnan, and Joe Douglas are all scapegoats for Woody Johnson.

Hint: it's the owner. All of the dysfunction begins and ends with Woody Johnson.

Agree. No gm or HC worth a dam wants to work for woody. Why guys like Joe Douglas get a shot to play GM they never would have anywhere else. 

[Jack Straw]

31 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Agree. No gm or HC worth a dam wants to work for woody. Why guys like Joe Douglas get a shot to play GM they never would have anywhere else. 

The sad part is that Joe Douglas would have been a GM somewhere else if Woody hadn't paid up. That's why Douglas was able to get the 6th year from Woody -- because he's an incompetent fool who nobody wants to work for.

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Hint: it's the owner. All of the dysfunction begins and ends with Woody Johnson.
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[kevinc855]

When they whack JD next....

I'm going to send him a bag of pretzels....

So he knows it was me.....

[NYs Stepchild]

On 10/9/2024 at 11:02 AM, Saul Goodman said:

Respectfully disagree. 

“Sorry Woody, we are a package deal. I believe in what we’ve built, and think you should give it until the end of the season to make a move like this. If you decide to move forward, I’m not on board and you can let me go as well”. 

Note that most of the posters here think Douglas would be hired by another team the minute there was a new opening. 

If JD didn't want Saleh fired then I'm afraid he isn't cut out for this GM thing. Maybe he did want Saleh fired but didn't think it was a good idea for it to seem to be his idea.

This is his last chance to turn this thing around and he needs to make something happen rather than wait for the process to work it's self out. That's Saleh's MO and his downfall. If a GM wants more control from an owner he needs to take it. No one is giving away control without a struggle. Hopefully Ulbrich is the alpha that we need as a HC and JD finds his courage after we see some success. 

JD will certainly get another job but not as a GM for at least a few years.

[Sperm Edwards]

On 10/9/2024 at 3:09 PM, Matt39 said:

I’ve been told the Jets have a clear linear reporting structure and anyone who thinks otherwise is a tinfoil wearing nut

Woody overruled Douglas to get Zach Wilson off the roster?  

[nyjets1969]

On 10/9/2024 at 10:36 AM, peekskill68 said:

Probably in the minority here, but I've never felt JD was the problem.  Two big whiffs in Wilson and Becton for sure, but the guy seems to be decent at self-evaluation and correcting his mistakes.  That's all you can really hope for when you hire a guy with no prior experience as GM.  

With Saleh, there was no growth, no development, and an almost defiant attitude to adjust.  He was a top notch DC so it's no surprise that the defense was easy for him here.  But he never could master the skills required to lead an entire team, and he constantly showed his insecurity both with the players and with the media.  He needs a reset, first as a DC, then maybe a second chance at HC when he's matured more.  I could see him following a similar career path as Dan Quinn.

Agreed but these fans that want him gone think Woody going to get another GM like to level of a shanahan or a Cowher with a reputation. The reality Woody will bring in another dud like Idzik or Mac and watch the team talent level drop off. Still look at Darnold with no OL and his best weapons were Powell, Crowder, and 40 year old Frank Gore and the defense draft was a box safety and 2 DTs think talent wise this is best team we had in 13 years yeah he screwed up on Wilson Maybe Becton but he had some really good drafts. Think the guy checked out and will resign by end of the year and the fans that wanted him gone will finally see the Woody will bring in another Mac who will drive the franchise into the ground. Think until Woody sells the team this is what we have and will never see the playoffs again.

[nyjets1969]

On 10/9/2024 at 3:12 PM, Jetsplayer21 said:

Agree. No gm or HC worth a dam wants to work for woody. Why guys like Joe Douglas get a shot to play GM they never would have anywhere else. 

Actually Douglas was a big name teams were looking at. Chris Johnson actually did something Woody would not have done Ponied up the money. Think if Woody was here that would not have happened and your right after this no GM of any reputation will come to this team so you will get a team devoid of talent like it was for past decade. Players like Sauce Garrett Wilson will ditch this franchise demand to be traded you will get to draft more DTs and Box safety's like MAC and have the Quality drafts Idzik had should be fun.

[Jetsplayer21]

39 minutes ago, nyjets1969 said:

Actually Douglas was a big name teams were looking at. Chris Johnson actually did something Woody would not have done Ponied up the money. Think if Woody was here that would not have happened and your right after this no GM of any reputation will come to this team so you will get a team devoid of talent like it was for past decade. Players like Sauce Garrett Wilson will ditch this franchise demand to be traded you will get to draft more DTs and Box safety's like MAC and have the Quality drafts Idzik had should be fun.

Douglas was rumored to be the great OL whisper. What a joke he has been. Failed horribly at building his own OL/qb, had to resort from buying and trading guys good GMs no longer needed/wanted. JD got his shot, but like many he failed and because he had so many chances he will not get another. Players will go where the $ always. Just like the many gm hopefuls who never get the chance. JD will be mgr at dicks sports 1 day. He handed the team over already to Rodgers who is calling all the shots. Sadly that has been our best option anyway, because JD and Saleh haven’t done anything in the driver seat. Both are good as assistants but not top spot. 

[AFJF]

On 10/9/2024 at 2:45 PM, Trotter said:

This is not an anti JD thread and I am not trying to bait anyone to going there but is it surprising that we have not heard one word from JD since yesterday?

Maybe I am reading too much into this but Woody corrects himself to make sure he tells everyone that this was his decision. Then he goes on the Reddick comments and his phrasing and words come across to me as he wants him in and while giving JD the authority to negotiate it his way which he should, that came across to me as I am taking charge, speak to me and we get this done. 

Not saying Woody would get it right and most likely would F it up, but telling that no mention of JD.

Like I said, maybe reading too much in and I just need to go find something else to do but I get a feeling JD is on very thin ice and who knows if he is even in on decisions the rest of the year.  

Not really much to say.  Owner said publicly that the decision was solely his.  Joe D isn't going to celebrate Saleh being fired and he's not going to criticize Woody for firing him.

[Frankie Green]

On 10/9/2024 at 6:29 PM, kevinc855 said:

When they whack JD next....

I'm going to send him a bag of pretzels....

So he knows it was me.....

Make sure you put your return address on there 😘

[Green Ghost]

2 hours ago, nyjets1969 said:

Actually Douglas was a big name teams were looking at. Chris Johnson actually did something Woody would not have done Ponied up the money. Think if Woody was here that would not have happened and your right after this no GM of any reputation will come to this team so you will get a team devoid of talent like it was for past decade. Players like Sauce Garrett Wilson will ditch this franchise demand to be traded you will get to draft more DTs and Box safety's like MAC and have the Quality drafts Idzik had should be fun.

It’s been a blast so far. Who wants to see these good times end, amirite?

[Larz]

Scores ?

[Trotter]

2 hours ago, AFJF said:

Not really much to say.  Owner said publicly that the decision was solely his.  Joe D isn't going to celebrate Saleh being fired and he's not going to criticize Woody for firing him.

True but if the reporting structure remains coach to gm, you would think jd  talks a little bit about ulbrich and the plan for the rest of the year

even if it is simply to say new coach but nothing else really changes, there was a major change in his org and the silence is a bit strange

[Bobby816]

My guess would be getting ketchup and mustard for his neck hot dogs

[C Mart]

On 10/9/2024 at 10:54 AM, Joe W. Namath said:

Joe Douglas is done with the Jets.  The owner and Aaron Rodgers neutered him yesterday.  They will "mutually" part ways after the season and Joe D will have another GM job in a nano second.

His contract is up so he can just walk away and become a FA GM, which I think is his plan. 

According to Cimini’s latest podcast, he said Woody didn’t consult with JD before firing Saleh. Woody basically told JD on his way to firing Saleh, oh btw I’m firing Saleh.

Cimini also said JD wasn’t behind Rex Hogan’s firing. Woody doing. JD wasn’t happy about it

Though, and I could be wrong, but I think Hogan is still unemployed. 

[Joe W. Namath]

2 minutes ago, C Mart said:

His contract is up so he can just walk away and become a FA GM, which I think is his plan. 

According to Cimini’s latest podcast, he said Woody didn’t consult with JD before firing Saleh. Woody basically told JD on his way to firing Saleh, oh btw I’m firing Saleh.

Cimini also said JD wasn’t behind Rex Hogan’s firing. Woody doing. JD wasn’t happy about it

Though, and I could be wrong, but I think Hogan is still unemployed. 

Correct.  Joe D has already checked out on the Jets.  He will get the best GM job opening out there after he leaves us in January.

 

[FootballLove]

On 10/9/2024 at 2:35 PM, Jack Straw said:

Nope. The HC and GM report to Woody and are independent of one another.

This. We all assumed Saleh reported to Joe, but I've read in several articles the Jets' org is unique in that both HC and GM are equals, and both report directly to Woody. Things may have been different when Woody was in England, but I guess he took the reins when he returned.

I thought it curious when Woody failed to extend either one going into 2024, which is (was) their final year of their respective contracts. I get that Woody wanted to see Saleh win some games b/4 extending him, but Joe's work for the year is mostly done. 

While Becton is clearly on Joe Douglas, I still get the feeling that Zack Wilson is as much on Woody as anybody. I don't think Joe tried talking Woody into drafting him. Stuff I've read said the building was split about 50/50, with half wanting to stick with Sam Darnold and half believing Zack Wilson was the real deal. Which half Woody fell on is unknown, but considering who we drafted, I'd think Woody was the deciding vote, especially considering how close it was.

Anyhow, even if Woody extends a contract offer to Joe, Joe would be free to move on after the season.

[AFJF]

8 hours ago, Trotter said:

True but if the reporting structure remains coach to gm, you would think jd  talks a little bit about ulbrich and the plan for the rest of the year

even if it is simply to say new coach but nothing else really changes, there was a major change in his org and the silence is a bit strange

The reporting structure goes:

OWNER

 

 

 

 

 

GM

Coach

I'm sure he'll comment on it at some point, but what would it do right now to make the situation any better or worse?  Woody decided to fire him so Woody made the statement.

[rangerous]

Where is Douglas supposed to be?  Granted it’s a little strange that he hasn’t held a presser or said anything about saleh being launched but in truth he needs to be manning the phones to see if he can improve this team now and scouting players for the next free agency and draft periods.  Once the seasons starts, the team is pretty much in the coaches hands.

[Rich Thornburgh]

14 hours ago, FootballLove said:

This. We all assumed Saleh reported to Joe, but I've read in several articles the Jets' org is unique in that both HC and GM are equals, and both report directly to Woody. Things may have been different when Woody was in England, but I guess he took the reins when he returned.

I thought it curious when Woody failed to extend either one going into 2024, which is (was) their final year of their respective contracts. I get that Woody wanted to see Saleh win some games b/4 extending him, but Joe's work for the year is mostly done. 

While Becton is clearly on Joe Douglas, I still get the feeling that Zack Wilson is as much on Woody as anybody. I don't think Joe tried talking Woody into drafting him. Stuff I've read said the building was split about 50/50, with half wanting to stick with Sam Darnold and half believing Zack Wilson was the real deal. Which half Woody fell on is unknown, but considering who we drafted, I'd think Woody was the deciding vote, especially considering how close it was.

Anyhow, even if Woody extends a contract offer to Joe, Joe would be free to move on after the season.

Zach Wilson was Woody’s guy.  Most nfl teams move on from obvious bust quarterbacks after 1-2 seasons we had to watch that clown for 3 entire years because of the idiot owner

 

Some teams don’t even wait 1 season for a 1st rd bust. The 49ers did.

[Rich Thornburgh]

14 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Correct.  Joe D has already checked out on the Jets.  He will get the best GM job opening out there after he leaves us in January.

 

Who is offering JD a GM job after he crapped the bed here for 5 years?  Maybe he can get a scout job with the eagles I guess

[Matt39]

21 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Zach Wilson was Woody’s guy.  Most nfl teams move on from obvious bust quarterbacks after 1-2 seasons we had to watch that clown for 3 entire years because of the idiot owner

 

Some teams don’t even wait 1 season for a 1st rd bust. The 49ers did.

 

[Rich Thornburgh]

24 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

 

The reason the jets are 15 years and counting 0 playoff appearances ladies and gents

[Larz]

He’s obviously inventing new ways to GM that will be studied for generations in the bat lab 

 

[Larz]

7 hours ago, AFJF said:

The reporting structure goes:

OWNER

 

 

 

 

 

GM

Coach

I'm sure he'll comment on it at some point, but what would it do right now to make the situation any better or worse?  Woody decided to fire him so Woody made the statement.

Not on the jets. GM and HC both report to woody 

[AFJF]

10 minutes ago, Larz said:

Not on the jets. GM and HC both report to woody 

That was changed years ago.  Saleh reported to Douglas and Douglas reports to Woody.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, rangerous said:

Where is Douglas supposed to be?  Granted it’s a little strange that he hasn’t held a presser or said anything about saleh being launched but in truth he needs to be manning the phones to see if he can improve this team now and scouting players for the next free agency and draft periods.  Once the seasons starts, the team is pretty much in the coaches hands.

Oh yeah, he's so busy not making a trade for Davante Adams.

[Jetsfan80]

23 minutes ago, AFJF said:

That was changed years ago.  Saleh reported to Douglas and Douglas reports to Woody.

lol then why didn't Woody let Douglas fire Saleh?  Or even let him in to the room where it happened?

[Matt39]

22 minutes ago, AFJF said:

That was changed years ago.  Saleh reported to Douglas and Douglas reports to Woody.

No one believes this 

[Dunnie]

Where is Douglas supposed to be?  Granted it’s a little strange that he hasn’t held a presser or said anything about saleh being launched but in truth he needs to be manning the phones to see if he can improve this team now and scouting players for the next free agency and draft periods.  Once the seasons starts, the team is pretty much in the coaches hands.

I agree.... I thought he was maybe debating walking since Woody completely neutered his position on this case.

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[FootballLove]

1 hour ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Zach Wilson was Woody’s guy.  Most nfl teams move on from obvious bust quarterbacks after 1-2 seasons we had to watch that clown for 3 entire years because of the idiot owner

 

Some teams don’t even wait 1 season for a 1st rd bust. The 49ers did.

I knew it!!!!