jgb Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 4 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Call me old school but I think a pro team should have a kicker who can kick regardless of their contract "Accuracy is overrated" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 9 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Call me old school but I think a pro team should have a kicker who can kick regardless of their contract Okay fine. Now I’m curious. If you were in charge, at what point of this season would you have cut him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 5 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Okay fine. Now I’m curious. If you were in charge, at what point of this season would you have cut him? I'll offer my opinion. I would've brought in competition weeks ago. Put a fire under him and see how he responds. That would determine next steps like cutting or benching or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 10 minutes ago, jgb said: I'll offer my opinion. I would've brought in competition weeks ago. Put a fire under him and see how he responds. That would determine next steps like cutting or benching or whatever. Matt’s argument here is he wasn’t cut because Woody is cheap. I want to see his answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 33 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Matt’s argument here is he wasn’t cut because Woody is cheap. I want to see his answer. Stupidity, cheapness... does it really matter? But okay, I'll leave you guys to fight over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 54 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Okay fine. Now I’m curious. If you were in charge, at what point of this season would you have cut him? At least a month ago. The QB is 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 39 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Matt’s argument here is he wasn’t cut because Woody is cheap. I want to see his answer. You were arguing that he wasn’t cut because his contract prohibited it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 Austin Seibert 23-25 fg made all 19 exp for washington 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 21 minutes ago, jgb said: Stupidity, cheapness... does it really matter? But okay, I'll leave you guys to fight over it. No fight… at least from my side. 😉 I just don’t see how putting a PK on IR to save 2 mil 12 days after spending $24 mil on Adams and Reddick are things a cheap owner does. Is he dumb? Sure. Those two signings prove it. I’ll never understand why he made the Reddick signing the day before the must win Steelers game, same with the Adams trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 3 minutes ago, Matt39 said: You were arguing that he wasn’t cut because his contract prohibited it. He wants to argue about how many seats were in the smoking lounge on the Titanic. Who gives a sh*t? Giant shipwreck, all hands lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 14 minutes ago, Matt39 said: At least a month ago. The QB is 40. That would have been week 4. He missed a 50 yd FG in terrible conditions a minute after the Titans missed a kick from the same distance both at the end of the game. So you would’ve cut a up until then hugely popular PK your GM signed to a 2 year 8.5 mil deal after that game or the next? At that point of the season, Hall looked terrible. Would you have cut him? Would you have cut Rodgers for not winning one of 3 consecutive games with the ball in his hands? I won’t ask about Sauce, because to your credit, you opened my eyes to him last year. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 10 minutes ago, Matt39 said: You were arguing that he wasn’t cut because his contract prohibited it. WTF are you talking about? Show me where I said that? You’re either making s**t up or confusing me with someone else. I said they were smart to save 2 mil in a 2-6 season moving him to the IR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 3 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: WTF are you talking about? Show me where I said that? You’re either making s**t up or confusing me with someone else. I said they were smart to save 2 mil in a 2-6 season moving him to the IR. 3 hours ago, Green Ghost said: No FO in the league is going to cut a PK 3 or 4 games into a 2year $8.5 mil contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 11 minutes ago, jgb said: He wants to argue about how many seats were in the smoking lounge on the Titanic. Who gives a sh*t? Giant shipwreck, all hands lost. First, I have no idea what he’s talking about with what he just said, and second, all I’m trying to do is have him explain how the guy who just spent millions on Adams and Reddick suddenly became the “he didn’t cut a pk because he’s cheap guy” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 4 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Where does any of that say “they were PROHIBITED from cutting him because of his contract?” You’re just flailing about now like a fish out of water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 4 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Where does any of that say “they were PROHIBITED from cutting him because of his contract?” You’re just flailing about now like a fish out of water. What is the point of bringing up his contract there. You’re implying they held onto him because of the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 8 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: First, I have no idea what he’s talking about with what he just said, and second, all I’m trying to do is have him explain how the guy who just spent millions on Adams and Reddick suddenly became the “he didn’t cut a pk because he’s cheap guy” Can we just agree that not dealing with the kicker situation earlier was stupid AF and move on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 12 minutes ago, Matt39 said: What is the point of bringing up his contract there. You’re implying they held onto him because of the money. The point of it was, as I’ve said about 4x now… no team is going to cut a PK 3 or 4 games into a two year 8.5 million dollar contract. (unless as you just said, you owned that team) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 9 minutes ago, jgb said: Can we just agree that not dealing with the kicker situation earlier was stupid AF and move on? Sure. Then we can read Matt continue with his “because Woody is cheap” schtick in some other threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 Just now, Green Ghost said: Sure. Then Matt can go back to his “because Woody is cheap” schtick in some other threads. I'm not sure which is worse: to be cheap or an abject moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 4 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: The point of it was, as I’ve said about 4x now… no team is going to cut a PK 3 or 4 games into a two year 8.5 million dollar contract. (unless as you just said, you owned that team of course) Why wouldn’t a team cut a kicker who can’t kick? The contract is irrelevant once the player can’t play. You don’t carry two kickers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 10 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Why wouldn’t a team cut a kicker who can’t kick? The contract is irrelevant once the player can’t play. You don’t carry two kickers. Because actual professional GMs don’t do that after the 3rd game of the season to a PK they just signed to a 8.5 mil deal? I’m out. You’ve accomplished something you’ve never done before… you have me shaking my head sadly reading your posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 3 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Because actual professional GMs don’t do that after the 3rd game of the season? I’m done. You’ve done something you’ve never done before… you’ve left me shaking my head. They did release Siebert who was better in camp and has been the best kicker in the league this year for WASH. Surely you must agree that must've had something to do with Zuerlein's contract being guaranteed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 11 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Because actual professional GMs don’t do that after the 3rd game of the season to a PK they just signed to a 8.5 mil deal? I’m out. You’ve accomplished something you’ve never done before… you have me shaking my head sadly reading your posts. The money does not matter when the kicker cannot kick. You eat your losses if winning is the goal. I don’t know how you find this controversial. There’s no written rule they can’t cut him. Signing out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 10 minutes ago, jgb said: They did release Siebert who was better in camp and has been the best kicker in the league this year for WASH. Surely you must agree that must've had something to do with Zuerlein's contract being guaranteed... Agreed. If they hadn’t just signed Zeurlein, who knows how it would’ve played out? I don’t. Don’t forget how popular Greg was with the fan base back then though… Don’t mistake my comments here as defending Zeurlein. I’m debating the “Woody didn’t cut him because he’s cheap” thing. Woody is a lot of things, but imo he’s not cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 2 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Agreed. If they hadn’t just signed Zeurlein, who knows how it would’ve played out? I don’t. Don’t mistake my comments here as defending Zeurlein. I’m debating the Woody didn’t cut him because he’s cheap” thing. Woody is a lot of things, but imo he’s not cheap. I don't think "cheapness" is the core problem. I think it's football idiocy and sometimes that idiocy manifests itself as cheapness (making decisions based on economics and not what is best for the team). AKA "penny wise pound foolish" thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 8 minutes ago, jgb said: I don't think "cheapness" is the core problem. I think it's football idiocy and sometimes that idiocy manifests itself as cheapness (making decisions based on economics and not what is best for the team). Reckless, clueless, impulsive come to mind right away. I might be wrong here, but I’ve always felt his biggest problem is he’s not very different from many of us who post here. At his core, he’s a fan. He loves this team and he wants to win as much as we do. The only difference is he actually owns the team, can’t hire good people but he’s able to make the same rash, dumb moves we all see proposed here every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 Just now, Green Ghost said: Reckless, clueless, impulsive come to mind right away. I might be wrong here, but I’ve always felt his biggest problem is he’s not very different from many of us who post here. At his core, he’s a fan. He loves this team and he wants to win as much as we do. The only difference is he actually owns the team, can’t hire good people and he’s able to make the same rash, dumb moves we all see proposed here every day. He's certainty a fan of the Jets as a moneymaking vehicle. Not hating, if I owned the Jets I would squeeze Jets fans out of every penny, also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 4 minutes ago, jgb said: He's certainty a fan of the Jets as a moneymaking vehicle. Not hating, if I owned the Jets I would squeeze Jets fans out of every penny, also. Nothing wrong with maximizing profits. I’ll never fault him for that. He’s not putting a gun to anyone’s head and taking their money. In his own goofy, frustrating way he’s also trying to put a good product out there for the people who give him that money too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 Just now, Green Ghost said: Nothing wrong with maximizing profits. I’ll never fault him for that. He’s not putting a gun to anyone’s head and taking their money. Cows deserved to be milked 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 10 minutes ago, jgb said: Cows deserved to be milked Every morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 He’s done this before. Up and down like a roller coaster great year, then big down year. I don’t think it’s confidence. I think it’s the opposite. I think he has a great year and figures he’s golden and he loses the edge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 10 hours ago, Matt39 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 @Charlie Brown Say hello to our new FG kicker! Lets Go!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plen T Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 12 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: JD saving face and now it confirms that the jets waited this long because of JD. Huh this is all woody johnson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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